Why r non-Malay/Bumiputera whining so much about NEP?, If it's making Malay-Bumi backward then it should be them whining Options

[PerisaiLangkasuk...]

I''ll second that.

[yiming2000]

Yeah! Call us Malays stupid if we don't support your Chinese views and agendas. Nope! There are no stupid Malays alright, only stupid Chinese like you and stupid Malays who support you! Stop pretending that we Malays love DAP: we DON'T!!! We only hate UMNO and those are two different things which your stupid teeny weeny little brain can't differentiate!! You just wait the next Elections! We are going to send back your Chinese-chauvinist DAP and its PAS and PKR supporters to where they belong. I am already campaigning among Malays and I am seeing results which you will never know..

You are the one who is angry, not Deadfish. And you are giving a display of a mentality that has nothing to do with Islam.
May Allah have mercy on your soul.

Why do you hate UMNO? It has protected you for 50 years or more especially during Mahathir's long rule. I hope more Malays wise up like you. And what is wrong with PAS? They seem honest and uncorruptible. Don't you think that PAS is better alternative Malay leadership to UMNO? The Malaysian Chinese may not like it, but a true Islamic republic could be the answer. After all, there are Chinese and Indians who actually embrace Islam by choice and quite happy with the religion. So, I don't see any fundamental problem there. The bigger problem of an Islamic republic would be to the Malays who will have to abolish Malay royalty, the bulwark of Ketuanan Melayu.

What do you think, Pak Efsan? Give me your best shot.

[peacekeeper]

I've recently noticed so much whine, moan, groan n sigh coming from non-Malay/Bumiputera about the NEP, Malay-Bumiputera special rights & privileges etc. They cite its so called counter-productivity, worthlessness, shortsightedness yadda yadda yadda.

Question is, if it's so useless, counter-productive, worthless, makes the Malay-Bumiputera uncompetitive, unproductive etc. how come it's the non-Malay/Bumiputera that's whining the most? To me, if all those things r true, then it should be the Malay-Bumiputera who's whining.

Funny. Am I missing something?

Ha ha ha. Gotcha. There IS a hidden agenda, isnt there? You're leading us all Malay-Bumiputera into a trap, arent you?

The trap of throwing away our sword cum shield cum armour. By calling it a "tongkat".

Oh yes.

But you misjudged us. We're not that dense, dudes.

Consider this situation; how do you explain to ten years old childrens that the other race has better chance on education & business opportunities than the other while they were taught that it is wrong that mother duck treated her ugly duckling differently just because the ugly duckling is yellow in color while others are white.

[yiming2000]

Consider this situation; how do you explain to ten years old childrens that the other race has better chance on education & business opportunities than the other while they were taught that it is wrong that mother duck treated her ugly duckling differently just because the ugly duckling is yellow in color while others are white.

Aw, come on, Peacekeeper. You are asking for death for the ugly duckling. Pak Efsan would drown the poor baby bird with his bare hands and spit on you.

The yellow duckling is the child of a swan and not some stinking duck with no culture and civilization. It's time you learn to fly like a swan, Peacekeeper.

[deadfish]

Wow! Your language is so deficient and your fukking anger is so uncontrollable that you are reduced to some fukking foul language that's only fit for people with tiny brain! But I'm a good match for you!! What a fukking idiot you are, a fukking retard (I'm using your favorite word 'retard' again because you've just reduced yourself to a retard).

Nope! I'm not assuming or equating NEP as Ketuanan Melayu or Bahasa Melayu or Islam! I'm just relating it to these other issues that are important to Malays and Muslims! Fukking stupid Chinese like you are not just questioning NEP but also Ketuanan Melayu and actions by your Pakatan Rakyat goverments in their states have actually threatended the role of Bahasa Melayu and Islam in their states, and Malays are talking about it everywhere, I know it because I am a Malay. But your fukking brain is so tiny you wouldn't notice it and besides you are not a Malay..

And a Chinese like you a voice of the majority Malays? What a screwed up Chinese you are! You are not a Malay, you never will be a Malay and you never will know what Malays feel. So why don't you just shut the fukk up and stop pretending to be a spokesman for US Malays, we don't need fukking Chinese like you to be our spokesman! At least I AM A MALAY and I know what MY PEOPLE feel.... everyday I sit with Malays, eat with them, talk with them, I do everything with them, I have Malay relatives and friends all over Malaysia....I am a Malay..so shut up you fukking Chinese!!
Yeah! Call us Malays stupid if we don't support your Chinese views and agendas. Nope! There are no stupid Malays alright, only stupid Chinese like you and stupid Malays who support you! Stop pretending that we Malays love DAP: we DON'T!!! We only hate UMNO and those are two different things which your stupid teeny weeny little brain can't differentiate!! You just wait the next Elections! We are going to send back your Chinese-chauvinist DAP and its PAS and PKR supporters to where they belong. I am already campaigning among Malays and I am seeing results which you will never know..

As expected from a kampung boy. He cannot seem to understand there are Malays who have better judgement out there (unlike him).

He manage to vent his anger by using the fu-k word excessively while failing to address and take up my challenge to :

Hey, mind showing some evidence for all that you have claimed? One for each - NEP, Ketuanan Melayu, Bahasa Melayu, and Islam. Please show me how these are compromised by Pakatan OR DAP then i shall not vote for Pakatan Rakyat come next election.

Yes. and for your information, the way you post are totally retarded and is very very irresponsible for people who are reading. Yes, you were equating NEP, Ketuanan Melayu, Bahasa Melayu and Islam into 1 whole topic.

Lets change the scenario a little and see what is this argument about and what a stupid Esfan we have here.

Esfan: "OMG! Look at the internet! It has porn! The playboy magazine are pornographic! All media are porn! all communication are porn! don't talk to me! It's PORN!"
Fish: "Yeah, alright, the internet have some porn, the playboy magazine is porn but not available to you and me in malaysia so what is the fuss? All media are porn? Why don't you show me evidence of all those are porn in nature including radio and newspapers."
Esfan: "OMFG YOU DUMB @$$ YOU fu-kING RETARDED fu-k DOG fu-k CHINESE fu-k YOU fu-k ME fu-k BLAH BLAH BLAH. I work in the porn industry so i know more porn than you GODAMN fu-kING fu-kER CHINESE BASTARD BLAH BLAH BLAH. YOU NOT IN PORN IN DUSTRY U WONT KNOW PORN SO DONT SPEAK ABOUT PORN LIKE YOU KNOW IT."
Fish: *shrugs*

Complete idiocy. Your mom would be ashamed of you Esfan-the-BN-dog. (always the same, shouting and crazy squabbling in parliament without concrete plan/proof)

[pacy]

Wow! Your language is so deficient and your fukking anger is so uncontrollable that you are reduced to some fukking foul language that's only fit for people with tiny brain! But I'm a good match for you!! What a fukking idiot you are, a fukking retard (I'm using your favorite word 'retard' again because you've just reduced yourself to a retard).

abang Esfandiariiiiii.....


aiyooo


wa banyak rindu you looo...


let's have a muah muah muah....from your nipples....to your bingy.....and next....to your lancau


eh !!!
lu punya lancau belum sunaaaatttt.....

aiyaaa...

never mind never mind

now is school holiday, is the sunat season


last few day I saw a lot of Malay kid jump and cried to enjoy sunat

wow, definitely great loo..

you also must sunat you know ? because you are Malay

why Malay must sunat ? I dont know ?
you just ask your progenitor why must prescribe it


so you have no any chance to say no, let's prepare for your sunat ritual


do you want me to help you find a Tok Mudin ?






.

This post has been edited by pacy: Dec 2 2008, 12:59 AM

[pacy]

I've recently noticed so much whine, moan, groan n sigh coming from non-Malay/Bumiputera about the NEP, Malay-Bumiputera special rights & privileges etc. They cite its so called counter-productivity, worthlessness, shortsightedness yadda yadda yadda.

Question is, if it's so useless, counter-productive, worthless, makes the Malay-Bumiputera uncompetitive, unproductive etc. how come it's the non-Malay/Bumiputera that's whining the most? To me, if all those things r true, then it should be the Malay-Bumiputera who's whining.

Funny. Am I missing something?

Ha ha ha. Gotcha. There IS a hidden agenda, isnt there? You're leading us all Malay-Bumiputera into a trap, arent you?

The trap of throwing away our sword cum shield cum armour. By calling it a "tongkat".

Oh yes.

But you misjudged us. We're not that dense, dudes.

you also not yet sunat, let's join adik Esfandiari to sunat ritual



jadilah seorang muslim yang beriman, ok ?


nak convert to Islam, must circumcision, kalau tak, tak sah sebagai seorang muslim

that's why your word that you said, sound like Satan fukking


so, let's move on to sunat ritual




.

This post has been edited by pacy: Dec 2 2008, 12:59 AM

[pacy]

NEP, like Ketuanan Melayu, will stay on forever or for as long as Malays want it. Non-Malays can whine and moan and groan all they want but it won't change a bit.

aiyaaaa...
bulan puasa and bulan syawal already over laa...

now is the time for you to turn back evil

come on....
let start your favourite fuking fukking word


This post has been edited by pacy: Dec 2 2008, 12:54 AM

[pacy]

We are going to send back your Chinese-chauvinist DAP and its PAS and PKR supporters to where they belong. I am already campaigning among Malays and I am seeing results which you will never know..

remember vote MCA for coming election

if you vote DAP again, I take fire burn your lancau


This post has been edited by pacy: Dec 2 2008, 12:56 AM

[pacy]

This is our country and we'll spoonfeed ourselves till eternity if we so much want it, nobody's business! And if you think spoonfeeding's bad for Malays, wouldn't that be good for you? Wouldn't anything that's bad for Malays be good for you???

the word our, must belong to 3 race, not belong to one race, ok ?


because you didn't mention it, so I must make complementarity


so, the right conclusion is : this is our country
also can be say :this is three race country




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This post has been edited by pacy: Dec 2 2008, 01:03 AM

[Esfandiari]

the word our, must belong to 3 race, not belong to one race, ok ?
because you didn't mention it, so I must make complementarity
so, the right conclusion is : this is our country
also can be say :this is three race country


.

Interprete any way you like pacy, your opinion is yours and mine is mine!

But to be fair to you, yes, under the current situation of the existence of a modern Malaysian nation state, Malaysia belongs to all its people irrespective of race and religion. What three races are you alluding to? You are quite wrong! Malaysia has more than just three racess; there are Ibans, Kadazans, Suluks, Illanun, Iranun, Orang Asli who come from various tribes, ETC, none of whom would fit into the classical three-race classification of Malaysians that you are alluding to. This country belongs to all Malaysians, not just Malays, Chinese and Indians.

But to those anti-Malay Chinese forumers here who insist on inflaming Malay sentiments by denying and challenging the historic position and role of Malays in Malaysia, then I have no qualms in stating unequivocally that for us Malays this OUR country, we don't take orders from anybody whether about Ketuanan Melayu or anything else we hold dear. If you are a peace-loving Malaysian Chinese willing to co-exist peacefully with Malaysia's Malays wihthout trying to challenge and take away historic our rights, then I would say that you as a Malaysian Chinese too own Malaysia together with us Malays and all other ethnic groups that make up the citizens of of this country....

But a fair question alright from you..

[Esfandiari]

remember vote MCA for coming election

if you vote DAP again, I take fire burn your lancau

You and your lancau talk again! You are not a very serious forummer, I'd be wasting my time engaging you.

[Esfandiari]

abang Esfandiariiiiii.....
aiyooo
wa banyak rindu you looo...
let's have a muah muah muah....from your nipples....to your bingy.....and next....to your lancau
eh !!!
lu punya lancau belum sunaaaatttt.....

aiyaaa...

never mind never mind

now is school holiday, is the sunat season
last few day I saw a lot of Malay kid jump and cried to enjoy sunat

wow, definitely great loo..

you also must sunat you know ? because you are Malay

why Malay must sunat ? I dont know ?
you just ask your progenitor why must prescribe it
so you have no any chance to say no, let's prepare for your sunat ritual
do you want me to help you find a Tok Mudin ?

.

Hahahaha!!! Vely vely funny la adik pacy!! Muah! I miss you too! But, gee, don't have much time to waste on you. Keep up the "good" work pacy!!

[Esfandiari]

As expected from a kampung boy. He cannot seem to understand there are Malays who have better judgement out there (unlike him).

He manage to vent his anger by using the fu-k word excessively while failing to address and take up my challenge to :

Yes. and for your information, the way you post are totally retarded and is very very irresponsible for people who are reading. Yes, you were equating NEP, Ketuanan Melayu, Bahasa Melayu and Islam into 1 whole topic.

Lets change the scenario a little and see what is this argument about and what a stupid Esfan we have here.

Esfan: "OMG! Look at the internet! It has porn! The playboy magazine are pornographic! All media are porn! all communication are porn! don't talk to me! It's PORN!"
Fish: "Yeah, alright, the internet have some porn, the playboy magazine is porn but not available to you and me in malaysia so what is the fuss? All media are porn? Why don't you show me evidence of all those are porn in nature including radio and newspapers."
Esfan: "OMFG YOU DUMB @$$ YOU fu-kING RETARDED fu-k DOG fu-k CHINESE fu-k YOU fu-k ME fu-k BLAH BLAH BLAH. I work in the porn industry so i know more porn than you GODAMN fu-kING fu-kER CHINESE BASTARD BLAH BLAH BLAH. YOU NOT IN PORN IN DUSTRY U WONT KNOW PORN SO DONT SPEAK ABOUT PORN LIKE YOU KNOW IT."
Fish: *shrugs*

Complete idiocy. Your mom would be ashamed of you Esfan-the-BN-dog. (always the same, shouting and crazy squabbling in parliament without concrete plan/proof)

Yeah, go ahead, call me a BN dog! Only retards do that. You just love calling names for people whose views you don't tolerate, don't you?; "terrorist", "Islamic extremists", "BN dogs, "small brain". My first post in this thread was not even directed to you, I was just giving my opinions on NEP, relating it to Ketuanan Melayu and Islam, but you cannot tolerate my views, so you came charging like a dog calling me names, exploding in your anger. Sometime I wonder who's really the dog here. Oh yeah, I was relating NEP to Ketuanan Melayu and Islam, not equating, you are just too stupid to figure out, small issue to me, doesn't matter if I equate or don't equate, though unnecessarily big issue to you.

In one Mumbai-related thread, you declare me a "terrorist" just because I am a Muslim and passionately supporting Islam-related themes though nowhere in this forum I ever express support for those Mumbai attackers. You accuse people who read sonofgunungjerai's long and winding posts as "Islamic extremists" and in the process indirectly accusing sonofgunungjerai of promoting your so-called "Islamic extremism". Go check your post there. Sonofgunungjerai is probably the nicest Malay in this forum, he hardly participates in sensitive Malay-Chinese issues, let alone to promote Islamic extremism. But even he is not safe from you.

And now you're accusing (namecalling) me as a BN dog!! Not only are you a retard but you are also an intolerant extremist. You are the real extremist. You cannot accept views of other people that differ from yours. To you all Malays must share your views, must support the Opposition, must oppose BN, must reject NEP, must reject Ketuanan Melayu, must not support Muslim fatwas or pro-Islam themes, blah, blah. Those who don't subscribe to your views are all "small brains", "cowdung pies", "Islamic extremists" "BN dog" and all that craps that come out of your arse. I am not a BN's or anybody's supporter! But even if I were a BN's supporter, is that a problem with you? Does anybody who supports BN and are opposed to the DAP or the Pakatan Rakyat are all DOGS to you? ARE YOU ALL THAT INTOLERANT?? Why is that you can support BA and I cannot support BN if I want to? Do you have to call people names just because you don't like thier views. I TOO CALL YOU NAMES but in response to you first calling me names, got it!

So get real! This is a free forum. People have differing views. If these views are going to throw you into uncontrollable fits of anger, then don't respond, don't even read. I am not going to give in to you. I am hard-hitting, I am blunt in writing, I am fiery, I write my views without fear and favor. If you kurang ajar with me, then I will kurang ajar with you.

I am initially tempted to respond to you in the sleaziest way. But no, I am civilized, I don't want to turn myself into another PACY!! He's/she's mentally bankrupt with no intelligence to offer, and all he/she can offer us is "lancau", "puki" and all the vulgarisms. In one post here in this thread, he even imagines himself/herself doing oral sex on me, licking my body from my t!t$ all the way to my d!ckkk, only to discover that my d!ckk is not "sunat", according to his/her wet dreams, sort of sexual harassment here!! I don't even know if he/she is gal or gay, though I am very tolerant of both, except the kinky ones like him/her..

And as for your ESFAN-FISH porn scenario, bunch of stupid gibberish, I don't even bother to read, you can take it and shove it up ...

This post has been edited by Esfandiari: Dec 2 2008, 10:04 AM

[swingdoctor]

Interprete any way you like pacy, your opinion is yours and mine is mine!

But to be fair to you, yes, under the current situation of the existence of a modern Malaysian nation state, Malaysia belongs to all its people irrespective of race and religion. What three races are you alluding to? You are quite wrong! Malaysia has more than just three racess; there are Ibans, Kadazans, Suluks, Illanun, Iranun, Orang Asli who come from various tribes, ETC, none of whom would fit into the classical three-race classification of Malaysians that you are alluding to. This country belongs to all Malaysians, not just Malays, Chinese and Indians.

But to those anti-Malay Chinese forumers here who insist on inflaming Malay sentiments by denying and challenging the historic position and role of Malays in Malaysia, then I have no qualms in stating unequivocally that for us Malays this OUR country, we don't take orders from anybody whether about Ketuanan Melayu or anything else we hold dear. If you are a peace-loving Malaysian Chinese willing to co-exist peacefully with Malaysia's Malays wihthout trying to challenge and take away historic our rights, then I would say that you as a Malaysian Chinese too own Malaysia together with us Malays and all other ethnic groups that make up the citizens of of this country....

But a fair question alright from you..

How can you argue that Malaysia belongs to all Malaysians yet defend the special prevelidges that Malays enjoy insisting that they are forever yours.

Firstly if Malaysia truly belongs to all Malaysians then shouldn't every Malaysian have an equal right of say as to who deserves what? Secondly, what historic rights are you talking about? Sure Malays inhabited Malaysia before the Chinese and Indians, but not before the Orang Asli, we both agree on that. But, where does it say that Malays deserve the prevelidges afforded to them under Ketuan Melayu? If its written in the constitution show me where. If it was agreed by our forefathers, show me how. Many people claim that these special prevelidges are guarenteed in the constitution and in the "social contract" but none of these people, including you have shown where and how. Why do you keep insisting that "peace-loving" Chinese will accept the status quo, can't you conversely say that only "peace-loving" Malays will accept the equal treatment of non Malay Malaysians? And if you say that Chinese who challenge Malays are anti Malay and are inflaming Malay sentiment, can't it also be said that Malays who challenge the rights of non Malays are anti non Malays and inflame the sentiment of non Malays? Or does it not work both ways? How do you demonstrate that Malaysia belongs to all Malaysians? Or is it simply Malaysia belongs to all Malaysians as long as it pleases the Malays? You don't see the paradox?

If Malaysia truly belongs the all Malaysians then every citizen should have the same rights irrespective of race, religion, sex, sexual orientation etc. The only caveat being what is guaranteed in the constitution.

[Esfandiari]

You are the one who is angry, not Deadfish. And you are giving a display of a mentality that has nothing to do with Islam.
May Allah have mercy on your soul.

Why do you hate UMNO? It has protected you for 50 years or more especially during Mahathir's long rule. I hope more Malays wise up like you. And what is wrong with PAS? They seem honest and uncorruptible. Don't you think that PAS is better alternative Malay leadership to UMNO? The Malaysian Chinese may not like it, but a true Islamic republic could be the answer. After all, there are Chinese and Indians who actually embrace Islam by choice and quite happy with the religion. So, I don't see any fundamental problem there. The bigger problem of an Islamic republic would be to the Malays who will have to abolish Malay royalty, the bulwark of Ketuanan Melayu.

What do you think, Pak Efsan? Give me your best shot.

And I hope Allah has mercy on you too for your racist hatred against Malays, and all the racism, ridicules, insults, slanders and fitnah that you pour against them in almost every post of yours, all borne out of your racism-based hatred against Malays. Of course, munafiqs like you will come back to deny all these. And no amounts of glorifying that you give Allah, Islam and PAS will salvage you from the sins that you have committed yiming. You are not even a Muslim, you have no intention of converting to Islam, and yet you keep glorifying it. That itself is a mockery of Islam because there's no sincerity at all in your heart.

As for me hating UMNO (although deadfish calls ne a BN dog! How conflicting you guys are!), there is no need for me to further explain. I've already explained this in many posts in many threads in this forum. If my views on UMNO mean so much to you, go check these posts and threads yourself! Hating UMNO means to "wise up" to you? Weird! Not to mention balony!! Wow! I need Allah's mercy for being angry with deadfish, according to you, yet I'm a "wise up" person if I hate UMNO, according to you too!! How screwed up your mentality is and how confused you are, hope Allah forgive your soul! I have no permanent loyalty to UMNO, PAS and PKR though they are all Malay-led. I am only loyal to Islam, the Malays and Malaysia. I dump or support them any time I feel depending on how they take care of the three.

Wow! It's interesting to see non-Muslims like you turning into PAS buffs!! I hope Allah grants your wish to have an Islamic state under PAS. keep pining for it, although DAP has already announced that anybody wishy washy to set up an Islamic state must cross its dead body!! You certainly need to convince DAP more than you do me! And I hope PAS delivers their promises to non-Muslims like you once they get to set up this Islamic state because if they don't, they'll go to neraka jahannam!!! Hahaha! But...and this is a big but...as you say, PAS does SEEM to be honest and incorruptible. You know what SEEM means in English rigth? Like a mirage, looks real but may not be real.

And in case you haven't noticed, PAS today is turning into UMNO of old; it's talking less about Islam these days, in fact it's not talking at all, lest it lose non-Muslim votes in future Elections. And UMNO today is turning into PAS of old; it's talking more about Islam, and is seen doing more for Islam, take the yoga and the pengkid fatwas, for instance, haven't you noticed? UMNO, after all, must win back the Malay/Muslim hearts in Kedah, Kelantan, Perak, Selangor and Kuala Lumpur, musn't it? To many Malays, both UMNO and PAS are not capable of satisfactorily taking care of Malay interests, with PAS worse than UMNO in the eyes of an increasing number of Malays. PKR is certainly worst, all three doing too much appeasing of non-Malays at the expense of Malays.

The Ketuanan Melayu will remain, so will NEP, the Malay Monarchy will not be abolished, and there will never be a republic, Islamic or otherwise. Malays will defend these to the last stand, so you can keep dreaming yiming.

And no, it was deadfish who burst into anger in response to my post, I merely responded in kind, but I understand you must defend your fellow Chinese right? May Allah forgive you for misleading!

And lastly, non-Malays who think they'll get into bouts of anger if they read this post, please stay away from it for your own good...

[Esfandiari]

How can you argue that Malaysia belongs to all Malaysians yet defend the special prevelidges that Malays enjoy insisting that they are forever yours.

Firstly if Malaysia truly belongs to all Malaysians then shouldn't every Malaysian have an equal right of say as to who deserves what? Secondly, what historic rights are you talking about? Sure Malays inhabited Malaysia before the Chinese and Indians, but not before the Orang Asli, we both agree on that. But, where does it say that Malays deserve the prevelidges afforded to them under Ketuan Melayu? If its written in the constitution show me where. If it was agreed by our forefathers, show me how. Many people claim that these special prevelidges are guarenteed in the constitution and in the "social contract" but none of these people, including you have shown where and how. Why do you keep insisting that "peace-loving" Chinese will accept the status quo, can't you conversely say that only "peace-loving" Malays will accept the equal treatment of non Malay Malaysians? And if you say that Chinese who challenge Malays are anti Malay and are inflaming Malay sentiment, can't it also be said that Malays who challenge the rights of non Malays are anti non Malays and inflame the sentiment of non Malays? Or does it not work both ways? How do you demonstrate that Malaysia belongs to all Malaysians? Or is it simply Malaysia belongs to all Malaysians as long as it pleases the Malays? You don't see the paradox?

If Malaysia truly belongs the all Malaysians then every citizen should have the same rights irrespective of race, religion, sex, sexual orientation etc. The only caveat being what is guaranteed in the constitution.

Didn't we argue this before over and over and over again with no agreement in sight? As usual, if I make a statement that Malaysia belongs only to Malays, you are going to come charging at me telling that Malaysia belongs to ALL Malaysians! And now when I actually make a statement that Malaysia belongs to ALL Malaysians, you come charging again telling that Malaysia now belongs to Malays only. As usual, you like to twist things around.

I'm not going to make this long-winding. But suffice for me to say that as long as Malays don't treat Chinese lin Malaysia like Jewish Israelis treat Arabs in Israel and in the illegally-occupied territories, consider everything OK in Malaysia, OKKKK????

We don't practice Malay version of Aliyah in Malaysia the way ZIONIST Jews (not all Jews are Zionists) do in Israel. We don't stop the Chinese from being the richest in Malaysia the way Zionist Jews prevent Arabs from being so in Israel. We just want to keep what is historically ours irrespective whether they are in the Constituion or not. Many things the Chinese are enjoying today in Malaysia are also not mentioned in the Constituition but they are allowed these privileges as part of the spirit of the Social Contract.

If you still don't know what I mean by the historical position and role of the Malays in Malaysia, then that's your damn ptroblem, and I am not interested in expalining to you again. Me, dreamhunter, etc have explained expalined that.

This post has been edited by Esfandiari: Dec 2 2008, 09:59 AM

[peacekeeper]

What does the special rights stated in the Constitution really mean here? Originally what our founding fathers agreed upon is that the special rights is conformed to the Malay monarchy, and all discrimination among races is outlawed. Seemingly the original idea was thwarted and the special rights involved the affirmative policies of NEP. IMO, affirmative equates to discrimination. Malaysia was supposed to evolve into Turkey or even Switzerland, the most peaceful country in the world - but instead is riddled with corruption, crime and racial polarisation.

Somehow, yes - I agree that only one system of education should be there, but there should be no quota into public universities either.

[yiming2000]

And I hope Allah has mercy on you too for your racist hatred against Malays, and all the racism, ridicules, insults, slanders and fitnah that you pour against them in almost every post of yours, all borne out of your racism-based hatred against Malays. Of course, munafiqs like you will come back to deny all these. And no amounts of glorifying that you give Allah, Islam and PAS will salvage you from the sins that you have committed yiming. You are not even a Muslim, you have no intention of converting to Islam, and yet you keep glorifying it. That itself is a mockery of Islam because there's no sincerity at all in your heart.

First of all, who are you to say that I am not a muslim? Are you that pure? Is your heart and mind untouched by Saitan?

As for me hating UMNO (although deadfish calls ne a BN dog! How conflicting you guys are!), there is no need for me to further explain. I've already explained this in many posts in many threads in this forum. If my views on UMNO mean so much to you, go check these posts and threads yourself! Hating UMNO means to "wise up" to you? Weird! Not to mention balony!! Wow! I need Allah's mercy for being angry with deadfish, according to you, yet I'm a "wise up" person if I hate UMNO, according to you too!! How screwed up your mentality is and how confused you are, hope Allah forgive your soul! I have no permanent loyalty to UMNO, PAS and PKR though they are all Malay-led. I am only loyal to Islam, the Malays and Malaysia. I dump or support them any time I feel depending on how they take care of the three.

So, you hate UMNO. Therefore, by your own admission, you are not a muslim because hatred is the mark of evil that destroy life and kill innocent people in the name of Islam. Only the devil would give Islam a bad name. Pak Esfan, your heart is soaked in hatred because your mind has found a resting place in Saitan's evil heart.

Wow! It's interesting to see non-Muslims like you turning into PAS buffs!! I hope Allah grants your wish to have an Islamic state under PAS. keep pining for it, although DAP has already announced that anybody wishy washy to set up an Islamic state must cross its dead body!! You certainly need to convince DAP more than you do me! And I hope PAS delivers their promises to non-Muslims like you once they get to set up this Islamic state because if they don't, they'll go to neraka jahannam!!! Hahaha! But...and this is a big but...as you say, PAS does SEEM to be honest and incorruptible. You know what SEEM means in English rigth? Like a mirage, looks real but may not be real.

I know what "seems" mean. You seem to be a muslim, a mirage that is no different from a corrupt Malaysian traffic cop who seems to uphold the law. And what uniform do you wear in the name of Allah to hide the demon lurking in your heart?

And in case you haven't noticed, PAS today is turning into UMNO of old; it's talking less about Islam these days, in fact it's not talking at all, lest it lose non-Muslim votes in future Elections. And UMNO today is turning into PAS of old; it's talking more about Islam, and is seen doing more for Islam, take the yoga and the pengkid fatwas, for instance, haven't you noticed? UMNO, after all, must win back the Malay/Muslim hearts in Kedah, Kelantan, Perak, Selangor and Kuala Lumpur, musn't it? To many Malays, both UMNO and PAS are not capable of satisfactorily taking care of Malay interests, with PAS worse than UMNO in the eyes of an increasing number of Malays. PKR is certainly worst, all three doing too much appeasing of non-Malays at the expense of Malays.

The Malays are not important. Only muslims are important and we must strive to make Malaysia a land of the golden age for all human beings regardless of race or creed. Politics is the game devils play and it has no place in muslim society. Give up your Malay identity, Pak Esfan, and give it back to Saitan. It is not too late to return to Allah who is all merciful and forgiving.

The Ketuanan Melayu will remain, so will NEP, the Malay Monarchy will not be abolished, and there will never be a republic, Islamic or otherwise. Malays will defend these to the last stand, so you can keep dreaming yiming.

Your arrogance in the face of Allah will not stand. No race - no matter how powerful can defend themselves against Allah who can turn this world upside down and shake it free of evil. Allah created this world for all his creatures. But Saitan has implanted different racial identities in man's mind in order to sow conflict through jealousy, fear and hatred. A muslim feels no connectedness to any race and feels kinship only with Allah. Pak Esfan, if you feel like a Malay, you are doomed.

And no, it was deadfish who burst into anger in response to my post, I merely responded in kind, but I understand you must defend your fellow Chinese right? May Allah forgive you for misleading!

Is Deadfish a fish? Just because my pen name looks Chinese, that doesn't mean I am Chinese. I have given up race and nationality and find kinship only with Allah. Don't be stubborn, Pak Efsan, be my brother in Islam and give up Malayhood.

And lastly, non-Malays who think they'll get into bouts of anger if they read this post, please stay away from it for your own good...

If anger does not reside in your heart, you will arouse no anger. May Allah have mercy on your soul.

[Kresna]

I quite enjoy these intelligent discussions in Malaysia Chat. It's like carrying water to the sea.