It's not Lao peoples fault for not knowing where they come from, Laos communist propaganda Options

[SabaiSabai]

Earlier today whilst doing a bit of research into the history of Ayodtya/Ayuthaya I stumbled on a documentary about the history of Laos. Lo and behold I was intrigued as to what the Laos government has been teaching the people and why do so many of these Laomeritards seem to think the same thing.

For some strange reason the Lao hold on to the belief that they were named from the Ai Lao mountians. This has already been proven wrong as it is only an assumption based on the last part of the word. There has been no recorded use of a Tai tribe being called Lao prior to the time of the Ramkhamhaeng stele, so a progenitor tribe being called Ai Lao would not have been possible.

The kingdom of Nanchao wold have also had at least one kingdom or tribe that even ressembled that name but saddly it does not. No other Tai tribe has ever identified with being Lao. And no the Liao people have never called themselves Lao. They have always identified themselves as "Lin" or "Jin".

Lao people is a break away group of the Tai Yuan aka Tai Muang. Their language is almost exactly the same dialect. Their lineage also follows the same route as being descended from Tai kings of the same line.

I wouldn't even have to go through the rest of the garbage that was in the documentary because everything is based on the simple idea that Laos come from Ai Lao tribe.

I think we should start a campaign to educate these Laos about their true identity and culture. Perhaps they will learn something and begin to accept who they are and where they come from. Their government isn't giving them much help. Typical communist regime brainwashing to try and solidify the national identity.

Laos trollls should take note. Perhaps you will learn something and stop embarassing yourselves.

[Juejue]

How can a Thai know about themselves if they already have lost thier own identity and history??? Stealing from other neighbors and ethnic people history is a moral problem that Thai as a whole are trying to stir up from the fact of thier own people and history of the Thai.

The moral fact is that. Thai don't know themselves to even equip with talking about Tai and Lao history. And we all have to remember that Thai history is base on nationalism and favoring the Thai king to unit the Thai people as one people and one history stir up. Thailand has already screw up all its neighbors history by saying Thai were the original Tai people and that Thai are Tai. But not all Thai in Thailand came from the Tai family line, not with all 4 regional people are exactly run in the same time frame and the people migration to determine the real Thai roots.

Like I said, Thailand base thier history on nationalism and propaganda for the sake of unity of all four region of Thailand.

SabaiSabai is just a KumKee Thai Thai nationalist who is blinded by open sighted and minded logic.

[SabaiSabai]

How can a Thai know about themselves if they already have lost thier own identity and history??? Stealing from other neighbors and ethnic people history is a moral problem that Thai as a whole are trying to stir up from the fact of thier own people and history of the Thai.

The moral fact is that. Thai don't know themselves to even equip with talking about Tai and Lao history. And we all have to remember that Thai history is base on nationalism and favoring the Thai king to unit the Thai people as one people and one history stir up. Thailand has already screw up all its neighbors history by saying Thai were the original Tai people and that Thai are Tai. But not all Thai in Thailand came from the Tai family line, not with all 4 regional people are exactly run in the same time frame and the people migration to determine the real Thai roots.

Like I said, Thailand base thier history on nationalism and propaganda for the sake of unity of all four region of Thailand.

SabaiSabai is just a KumKee Thai Thai nationalist who is blinded by open sighted and minded logic.

this is why your an idiot. Thai is a national identity where as Tai is a racial identity. Your the idiot that cannot seperate them and gets himself confused. Thai people never said they are the original Tai. Thai people classify themselves as Tai noi. but then you wouldn't know that because your an idiot and never bothered to research.

Do you think all Lao people in Lao is Lao? hell do you think all people in Lao is Tai? rofl your an idiot full stop. Thailand has never lost its identity or history. Its only idiots like you who don't even know SEA history and can't accept or understand what is a national identity and what is a racial identity. You who confuse yourself still do not bother looking up the facts because you are so convinced you are correct in your assumption. Why do I know this for a fact?

1. America does not teach about the rest of the world in detail. Especialy SEA history
2. You have never been to Asia
3. You have no link to Asian culture, you don't even know the basics of being an Asian
4. Everything you spout out is exactly the same rubbish that I saw in the Laos communist propaganda video lol

And BTW which part of Thai history is nationalistic? you mean the part where each kingdom was at war with each other and took over each others territory? yes thats very nationalistic isn't it. roflmao.

I think you should actually go learn Thai history before you make a comment like that lol it makes you look stupid..oh wait.. too late for that. everyone knows you already are lol

And which propaganda is this to unite 4 regions? care to explain yourself? or is this another one of your fantasies about made up history or how all the ethnic groups don't want to be Thai lol

[SabaiSabai]

Actually lets make it simple to you.

Show me where in hsitory do the Tai people ever call themselves Ai Lao. That should be easier for such a clever buk lao khee nok like you lol

[SabaiSabai]

So... its been over a day and yet no Lao trolls have been able to bring forward some proof about the Ai Lao or prove the Lao PDR propaganda that they are form the Ai Lao and are the elder brothers of the Tai.

I give em a few more days to be nice

[Juejue]

Ai Lao was actually apart of the Southern China by historic broader regional history of the Southern Tai tribes from many different sub-group. Ai Lao territory extended all the way from the Cambodia and to China. It obviously logical that Ai Lao was apart of that history that once connect those Tai in China and those in SEA.


SabaiSabai I think you are too Sabai jai too much. LMAO!!!! I think its time for your Yabaa. Have you taken some lately yet?

[SabaiSabai]

Ai Lao was actually apart of the Southern China by historic broader regional history of the Southern Tai tribes from many different sub-group. Ai Lao territory extended all the way from the Cambodia and to China. It obviously logical that Ai Lao was apart of that history that once connect those Tai in China and those in SEA.


SabaiSabai I think you are too Sabai jai too much. LMAO!!!! I think its time for your Yabaa. Have you taken some lately yet?

lol you numpty There is such a thing as Ai Lao Shan which is a mountian range lol but where is there an Ai Lao people? or to make it easier for you to understand, a people who identified themselves as Ai Lao?

There is no Tai group even in south China that identitfies themself as Ai Lao lol you idiots just make up a people so you can claim to be older than Tai peoples
or as in the view of the PDR propaganda "by Keeping the name Lao from Ai Lao the Lao people are so much more nobler" rofl

[Juejue]

lol you numpty There is such a thing as Ai Lao Shan which is a mountian range lol but where is there an Ai Lao people? or to make it easier for you to understand, a people who identified themselves as Ai Lao?

There is no Tai group even in south China that identitfies themself as Ai Lao lol you idiots just make up a people so you can claim to be older than Tai peoples
or as in the view of the PDR propaganda "by Keeping the name Lao from Ai Lao the Lao people are so much more nobler" rofl

OMG! How retarded can you get? I already explain to you that Ai Lao is apart of the Southern Tai migration that the Tai who move down from southern China into SEA. I think you need some more Yabaa for your brain to function well. Why are you so crazy???


Other then that, you're just exaggerating that we came from you Thai. LOL!! What a big joke!! And you said most Tai are concentrated in Thailand? Thats another joke!! Laos still hold some old ancient Tai tribe more then those in Thailand. Just because the name Thai is similar to Tai that makes you think you are all from Tai or that the name has changed into Thai. I think you Thai are confusing yourself with the word Tai itself. You people obviously don't know what Tai means in anyways.

[Juejue]

SabaiSabai I think your one of those phycho Thai yellow shirt nationalist who is confused with the your true identity. Not every Thai think or act like you. You're an embarrassment to your own people!! Please stop before you make anythings more complicated for you and the rest of your Thai trolls. lols

[Buddhalove]

True Siam history.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO7-LbIAPqY...feature=related

[qaib]

The Liao Dynasty are northern people that spoken a language similar to Mongol Altaic people.

Nanzhao are Lolo-Tibeto speaking people that practice slavery. Nanzhao was a Yi Kingdom.
The Yi are related to Qiang and Tibetan people.

This post has been edited by qaib: Dec 31 2010, 05:44 PM

[SabaiSabai]

OMG! How retarded can you get? I already explain to you that Ai Lao is apart of the Southern Tai migration that the Tai who move down from southern China into SEA. I think you need some more Yabaa for your brain to function well. Why are you so crazy???


Other then that, you're just exaggerating that we came from you Thai. LOL!! What a big joke!! And you said most Tai are concentrated in Thailand? Thats another joke!! Laos still hold some old ancient Tai tribe more then those in Thailand. Just because the name Thai is similar to Tai that makes you think you are all from Tai or that the name has changed into Thai. I think you Thai are confusing yourself with the word Tai itself. You people obviously don't know what Tai means in anyways.

Now where did I say that Lao came from Thai? Laos people came from the same origin as northern Thai people ie related to Lanna and sukhothai.

According to the documentary and Laos PDR propaganda. Laos people are descended from a tribe called Ai Lao. You've obviously never watched Laos history documentary before so you wouldn't have a clue what I am on about. Anywho, you say that Ai Lao are a tribe of southern tai that moved down into SEA during the migration. I know blatantly that you got this information from wikipedia and yes, this is a baseless claim.

I say find me some evidence that there was a people called the Ai Lao. Even all the kingdoms of Nanchao did not have a tribe called Ai Lao. Going by Laos history, Ai Lao were the elder brother tribe of all Tai people. If that were true, then why is there no mention of such a people at all? Sure there is reference by the chinese about Tai people in Ai Lao Shan, but no such people named Ai Lao existed. It was Tai people. There was never a people identified as Lao untill much later in history.

As for Laos still holds more ancient Tai tribes, umm... all the tribes that reside in Lao you can also find in Thailand. Unless of course theirs some other mythical tribe that you people have created lol.

This is why this thread was started. To educate you about your origins so you don't believe in this bullcrap propaganda spread by the Laos PDR. Clearly even dek lao nok don't have a clue about their origins and will believe anything that is fed to them.

Thai people do not have to be Tai, like an American does not have to be a native american/red indian. Hell or even a white guy. Thai is a national identity. Why is this so hard for you to understand? are you really hoping so much that we arent Tai people? But if we take foreign Thai citizens out and look at the native Thai people, we will see that Thai people are Tai+mon, Tai+khmer, Tai+chinese, Tai+malay. Somewhere a long the line we are mixed with Tai blood. Your dreams of dissaociation with us is a government propaganda designed to keep you people communists and not wan't to join back with Siam/Thailand.

Though personally I agree with you on one thing. Thai people are confused with the meaning of the word Thai/Tai. It does not mean "free" in my view. Used in the context of either a Tai or a slave, it would mean that the Tai were the ruling class of people. So yes, Thailand does mean Land of Tais

And before you go on another rant about how crazy I am.. how about you spend your time looking up Tai history. It will help YOU find out who you are and where you came from. But for now, your still just a laomeritard lol

[Juejue]

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Tai are apart of the Ai Lao regional people you idiot. I think your just confused with the Ai Lao part. When Tai was in China. The Tai used to called the region in Southern China and Laos as Ai Lao because of the mountian that resemble thier homeland. This region was filled with these Mountian and hills that the people now reconized them as Ai LaoShan people because the Tai believe this region was close to heaven and the father of all Tai.

[SabaiSabai]

The Liao Dynasty are northern people that spoken a language similar to Mongol Altaic people.

Nanzhao are Lolo-Tibeto speaking people that practice slavery. Nanzhao was a Yi Kingdom.
The Yi are related to Qiang and Tibetan people.

Nanchao had many ethnic groups within it which spoke many different languages. The Bai and yi were groups which may have been the upper class or the ruling group which centered around the area of Dali. The southern Zhaos were probably of Tai/Dai group.

Piluoge was a Tai ruler that united all the tribes and created Nanzhao, so there had to be a large population of Tai people in the yunnan area.

[Juejue]

And for Thailand. The Main history for all Thai should be reconized only with Siam since they ruled and conquered the Tai by enslavement. And we all know Siam do actually have history seperated by those of the Tai. Siamese aren't even consider Tai, but a part of the Khmer/mon lineage or Malaysian. So it doesn't makes since to use the Tai as a base and existance of all Thailand history since Siam has no part with the Tai of Southern China. Even Tai in Laos and China respect each other and now since Laos open to China. More and more Chinese ethnic like the Zhaung and other minority in China stil can reconized each other like brother and sister. Lao language haven't changed campare to those in Thailand. Thai used mostly Sankrit and the Khmer language as a base with added Lao/Tai into the language and later Chinese.

[Juejue]

Nanchao had many ethnic groups within it which spoke many different languages. The Bai and yi were groups which may have been the upper class or the ruling group which centered around the area of Dali. The southern Zhaos were probably of Tai/Dai group.

Piluoge was a Tai ruler that united all the tribes and created Nanzhao, so there had to be a large population of Tai people in the yunnan area.

I don't think the Tai of Lao came from NanChao. They logically came from South Eastern of China since at the time thier was two group of Tai migrating into SEA.

[SabaiSabai]

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Tai are apart of the Ai Lao regional people you idiot. I think your just confused with the Ai Lao part. When Tai was in China. The Tai used to called the region in Southern China and Laos as Ai Lao because of the mountian that resemble thier homeland. This region was filled with these Mountian and hills that the people now reconized them as Ai LaoShan people because the Tai believe this region was close to heaven and the father of all Tai.

And where did you get this information from? sounds like something ive read in wikipedia a while back lol

1. The chinese were the ones that named that area Ai Lao Shan. Not Tai people.
2. If the Ai Lao shan mountians resembled the Tai homeland. Where is the Tai homeland that they are comparing the Ai Lao Shan mountian range to?
3. What other Tai tribe associates themselves with Ai Lao? and the Ai Lao myth?

Tai people did not originate in Ai Lao Shan. Why would they name themselves after a mountian that resembles their homeland and not the actual homeland itself?

[SabaiSabai]

And for Thailand. The Main history for all Thai should be reconized only with Siam since they ruled and conquered the Tai by enslavement. And we all know Siam do actually have history seperated by those of the Tai. Siamese aren't even consider Tai, but a part of the Khmer/mon lineage or Malaysian. So it doesn't makes since to use the Tai as a base and existance of all Thailand history since Siam has no part with the Tai of Southern China. Even Tai in Laos and China respect each other and now since Laos open to China. More and more Chinese ethnic like the Zhaung and other minority in China stil can reconized each other like brother and sister. Lao language haven't changed campare to those in Thailand. Thai used mostly Sankrit and the Khmer language as a base with added Lao/Tai into the language and later Chinese.

Siam have a history thats seperated? you mean the Siam that created Ayodtya? the Siam that came from Lopburi and suppanabhumi? the same siam people that got wiped out by the burmese when they attacked and destroyed ayodtaya?

Or are you refering to the Siam people from the kingdom of Siam?

And if Siam had a seperate history. Would you like to enlighten me as to what this history is? according to one history source the Mon-Khmer people of ayodtaya, Lopburi, Suppanabhumi were either killed or enslaved and taken back to Burma when the burmese first ransacked ayodtaya. It was the Tai people that repopulated the area when their king brought them from sukhothai and into ayodtaya. But hey, you obviously know more than historians. Tell me how it really went.

But I seriously doubt they were wiped out. Those people were Austro-Tai. There was no idiotic concept of "pure blood" racism like there is today in people like you. The Tai people that migrated into SEA mixed with the Mon-Khmer people as they went further south. As for your theory of why the language deviation from the source Tai language. Umm.. Thai people are capable of understanding your Lao dialect without a problem. only a few minor words are different. Same with the other Tai groups. The written language was created by....dun dun duuuun King Ramkhamhaeng who was a Tai king. He based the language on khmer script. The spoken Thai language is still very much Tai though it is just a different dialect. Your obviously not a linguist nor do you know anything about the other Tai dialects.

Where do you even get these stupid ideas from? honestly. Do you not know any real facts about people in SEA? stop making $hit up lol

[Juejue]

And where did you get this information from? sounds like something ive read in wikipedia a while back lol

1. The chinese were the ones that named that area Ai Lao Shan. Not Tai people.
2. If the Ai Lao shan mountians resembled the Tai homeland. Where is the Tai homeland that they are comparing the Ai Lao Shan mountian range to?
3. What other Tai tribe associates themselves with Ai Lao? and the Ai Lao myth?

Tai people did not originate in Ai Lao Shan. Why would they name themselves after a mountian that resembles their homeland and not the actual homeland itself?

Ever heard of Mt. LaoShan of China? Station next to the yellow sea shore. Thier you will see that they are no different then those in Laos.

[Juejue]

Lao are Tai and our ancient ancestor originate from the LaoShan Mountian range. Thai can claim NanChao. But for sure thier are other Tai who are against this. I mean serously!