Bengali people Options

[Jagger]

And you're doing it again. Bengali Indians are Indian and you keep trying so hard to disassociate them from India when they are part of India. Get over it. They don't even associate themselves with Bengali Bangladeshis like you. If a Bengal Indian was with a Malayali Indian and a Bengali Bangladeshi, who do you think he/she would identify with?

Not sure what you're trying to insinuate, but I'm sure the majority of Bengalis (whether Indian or Bangladeshi) are much more likely to identify with someone who speaks the same native language over someone who doesn't. But of course, different people identify themselves in different and/or multiple ways, whether in terms of ethnicity, language, nationality, culture, religion, hobbies, etc. There's no reason why one identity should take priority over another.

Also, the term "Bangladesh" doesn't just mean the country, but that's the term all Bengalis used to refer to Bengal as a whole prior to the partition. Ever since 1971, the term "Bangladesh" has been appropriated by the nation of Bangladesh, in much the same way the term "India" has been appropriated by the modern Republic of India since 1947.

Indians might not be liked everywhere, but they definitely get more respect than Bangladeshis do, sorry. Most Bangladeshis here are working class laborer types so they get little to no respect. And let's not even talk about lacking class or values; these people are rural/peasant types so you can't expect much for them. Luckily for you, most people don't even know what a "Bangladeshi" is so they just call them "Indian" so I guess we can thank you for contributing to dislike for Indians. For the record, I don't care about Bangladeshis. Just stating facts. Sorry if you're offended.

Bangladeshis are pretty much the Mexicans of Asia. Whether it's in the UK, India, Malaysia, or even Korea, you can bet there'll be a crap-load of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants doing dirt-cheap labour. Luckily for Indians, it was mainly their upper and middle classes who migrated abroad, but for Bangladeshis, it was mainly the working class and rural folks that migrated abroad.

[Imzy93]

JuicyFruit,

Bengali Indians are a misnomer, that's the name of any bengalis living in mumbai etc, any living in west bengal are not indian, theyre living on their native land, they are bengalis or "bangladeshis". Jagger explained this effectively, Bangladesh equals land of bengalis, it is the land of bengal.

India is a false concept of a supposedly unified nation that was unified barely throughout its history, it is a British creation. However, I am not interested in India being spearated into Punjabs or keralas etc, they can have their unity of indentitites as Indonesia does with their ethnic groups, some countries are meant to be heterogenous, others homogenous like China, Japan and BANGLADESH i.e land of bengalis. Bengalis are not part of this fake concept "India", .

One of the main points of the argument which , after many posts of me elucidating it in various ways, I am getting tried of it, but obviously your brain can't compute it, is you have this fancy idea that India is fairly holding all its pieces etc, you are a tapestry etc......this is a lie. Hindi and Punjabi culture are the only equations in India, everything else will separate due to this arrogance. An plus Northeast "India" is an independent country, its like adding Cambodia to India and claiming you are part of the tapestry now. Also, Bengalis have nothing to do with India, we are Bengali that's it.

Thank you for the point about West Bengal being in the East, supposedly Bihar and Orissa and Jharkand are too. That is false those three are not they are in the north or whatever, West Bengal is in the east so it needs to separate so India ends with Bihar, Jharkand and Orissa (the northeast and Sikkim are not meant to be with "India" either).

As for the whole West Bengal and Kolkata thing, do you have any knowledge of semantics, obviously not, go read some books. (academic ones, no Little Red Riding Hood). China and Beijing can resent Russia and Moscow's influence in the Northeast of China. This is not a real political fact this is me displaying the sue of the idea that you can't comprehend. I wonder how life must be like for someone as stupid as you. Funny, I guess.

This whole Bangladesh being a muslim bengali land is stupid, its india's idea to prevent west bengal separating and joining. It is a lie. There are hindus in bangladesh and muslims in west bengal.

West Bengalis are only known in India, rabindranath tagore etc and the idea of stereotypes of bengalis there such as "Bong babes are hot" are known nowehere else in the world. No one has heard of Bengali Indians eslewhere, just a small minority of Kolkatan diaspora in the UK, Australia and the USA, compared to the numbers of Bangladeshis and their contributions to local economies and carving an identity (good or bad, don't care).

Bengali indians will associate with bangladeshis more in foreign countries, i've seen it with my own eyes from getting special treatment at work experiences from a bengali indian doctor to general close bond with fellow bengali "indian" student at school. As a Muslim, less for me, but some Bangladeshi Hindus I know are extremely close with Kolkatans. They are Bengali not Hindian.

As for stupidity, I wont go through how much more stupid Indian freshies are compared to Bangladeshi ones, that's just common knowledge. Indians are hated in shops, on the phone from their annoying call centres, everyone swears at them and tells them where to shove it. And the amount of crap that comes out of Indian parents mounths, I have no respect for them, theyre worse than prostitutes and crooks. Some Bangladeshis families are scum and classless too but mostly I like the little old ladies and men who had no formal schooling and whose life was mostly in the rural green fields of Sylhet who have so much more wisdom than can be gained from within school walls and whose children and grandchildren are gaining that schooling anyway. Plus, I've yet to see any older generation Bengali confuse Kolkata as being independent of Delhi's poisonous grasp yet. It is mainly young ones who are barely aware of Kolkata's miserable existence as the rump of Delhi.

You dont get it, most bengalis here (the youh are getting one thing right for once) dont distinguish between bangladeshi and bengali as you indians try to create and cause. For us they are the same thing. Bangladesh is the Bangla word for Bengal. We are Bengali, simples. this nationalism of Bangladeshi nationalism is silly political agendas created by Indian and Pakistani and other meddlers. We are Bengali. Repeat it out loud to yourself.

Hindi is no national language it is a poison that needs to be contained to India and stay out of Malda, Asansol, Darjeeling, Kolkata etc.

If you can stereotype why cant I? Youre the hypocrite, I never called you out for it, I was just stating for the benefit of others so they can see you poisonous work. So yeah I was stereotyping, I acknowledged it when I said it. God, can you get any more stupid and still function as a life form? this goes to Jagger too, the next bit, I actually dont hate India and Pakistan and most of their people, just when I meet people like JuicyFruit they need to be told exactly who they are, where theyre from and which toilet they need to crawl back inside.

And No, as I said earlier Indians do not get more respect, sorry it's a fact, but don't worry your mum still loves you...maybe. They are seen as annoying,that's the mian thing, I have no sympathy for the attacks on Indians in Australia and everywhere. You just keep getting attacked. In london, Indians are one of the few people who can't defend themsleves and get whaled on by everyone: whites, blacks, chinese, pakistanis, bangladeshis, afghans, arabs, latinos. The urban bangladeshis and the new "dhakaiyyas" coming over are a million times more classy than all the indians. As for rural bangladeshis (i.e. the gradnparents generation) who came over they're just....lovely, theyre so much more knowledgeable and cultured than Indian parents who are just chavs. In other countries, Sotuh Korea for example the aggressive/uncouth label is attached on rural types,and India too. For Bengalis none are like that, just a minority of Bengalis as a whole (maybe 0.0001%) Dont know which turd you're living in, but Bangladeshis are very much known , we have a category on the census, it is West Bengalis who are not known and have been absorbed into the falsity that is India.

As for spewing venom, I'm just saying political realities, if the venom burned you, well tough luck and dislike for Indians is only cause by Indiasn and their annoying accents (and Pakistanis too, their accent is the same) Bengali accents are different

Go over my old posts and this one and learn stuff about the real world. If you are offended, I'm not sorry because I just like saying it how it is. I can tell you're jealous that I'm more educated and mature than you, that's why you call me the opposite of them. Funny. I shall insult you now. You're a cheap whore whose own mother probably doesn't love em. And you stink and command o intellectual ideas is so weak, you need to be shot and stop wasting useful oxygen, you pathetic, whiny, uncouth imbecile.

Now that's over, please dont reply again, you're just regurgitating the same false ideas again and again which I have disproved already and you haven't disproved my points.

[JuicyFruit]

^Oh god, reading through that was embarrassing. Spare me the condescension; you're full of delusion, jingoism and bitterness. LOL @ the dozen personal insults you threw at me. Your venom hasn't "burned" me, but clearly my facts have really hurt you considering how emotional you've become. lol

First, what on earth is Hindi-Punabi culture? There is no single culture in India. Just because trashy Bollywood films are popular and promote that "culture" doesn't make it universally Indian. And yes, I'm very well aware that India is just a political entity. I'm the one who pointed out how different India is from state to state and not just the East and Northeast. The south and west aren't "Hindi-Punjabi" related either. And I actually agree about Hindi being the national language is inappropriate, but guess what? Malda, Asansol, Darjeeling and Kolkata are all part of India. That's something you delusional brain cannot seem to accept.

The reality is that West Bengal is part of India whether you like or not. You just can't seem to swallow that fact. And congrats on befriending your Bengali Indian doctor and friend at school. Why don't you go ask them what their consider themselves them to be? I'll guarantee you that both will call themselves Indian. Why? Because that's what they are. Do you really think they consider themselves to be part of Bangladesh? Btw, this isn't a pride issue. It's just a fact that West Bengal is a part of India and Bengali Indians have no desire to not to be a part of India. Why does that hurt you so much?

As for people outside of South Asia not knowing what West Bengal is are... and? We've already gone through this. Most people don't even know what Bangladesh is. Their lack of knowledge doesn't change the truth no matter how hard you try. And yes, it's a fact Indians get more respect than Bangladeshis. The only reason you won't hear any rants about Bangladeshis is because they're not even visible in western countries and people categorize them under "Indian," but the few people who are educated enough to differentiate will definitely respect Indians more.

And finally, you ARE the hypocrite; you're the one who tried to call me out on stereotyping (I didn't, just stated facts about Bangladeshis in the west) when you're the one who actively and proudly does it. You're pathetic just like your attempt to differentiate between Bengali accent and other Indian accents. Seriously? Because when people hear Bangladeshis and Pakistanis speak here they call their accents "Indian" lol.

FYI: Jagger is Bangladeshi too, but clearly not stupid and bitter pseudo-intelletual like you are. Lay off the emotional, bitter rants and trying being objective.

OBJECTIVE FACT: West Bengal is part of India and Bengali Indians (nope, not an oxymoron) consider themselves so and do not want to considered anything else. GET OVER IT already.

Not sure what you're trying to insinuate, but I'm sure the majority of Bengalis (whether Indian or Bangladeshi) are much more likely to identify with someone who speaks the same native language over someone who doesn't. But of course, different people identify themselves in different and/or multiple ways, whether in terms of ethnicity, language, nationality, culture, religion, hobbies, etc. There's no reason why one identity should take priority over another.

Of course it's an individual thing, but the reality is that most Bengali Indians don't identify with Bangladeshis other than linguistically. It's the same with Punjabi Indians and their attitude towards Punjabi Pakistanis (some of them are even nasty about it and pretend they're different species ).

Bangladeshis are pretty much the Mexicans of Asia. Whether it's in the UK, India, Malaysia, or even Korea, you can bet there'll be a crap-load of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants doing dirt-cheap labour. Luckily for Indians, it was mainly their upper and middle classes who migrated abroad, but for Bangladeshis, it was mainly the working class and rural folks that migrated abroad.

There are plenty of lower class Indians and Pakistanis here too and most South Asians are lumped in the "Indian" category here anyway.