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[chadwarden]

Can anyone explain how could Sien-lieou read Malayu?

can anyone explain how sien lieou could be siam lavo false cognates exist all the time mr porter for an example bangkok can be also said as well you should know how it could be said in english. does it mean that? no does it sound like that yes. so u understand false cognates now?

[Leeporter]

can anyone explain how sien lieou could be siam lavo false cognates exist all the time mr porter for an example bangkok can be also said as well you should know how it could be said in english. does it mean that? no does it sound like that yes. so u understand false cognates now?

Sien = Siam
lieou = Lorhu or Lavo

Simple like that.

I've read that China recorded that in 540 A.D. Funan was broken into Sian and Lorhu (I sttill can't find the 540 A.D. to confirm this. )

It indicated surely 2 states Sian and Lorhu, not one name Melayu. That's why it was written as "Sien-Lieou"

And it start with "S" sound, not "M", just incase you didn't read it well.

[SabaiSabai]

no my logic is that the chinese recorded nothing that these light skin people were tai or can speak tai. so what are they then dumbass. my logic is that the chinese knew Tai race since 100bc but somehow cant draw a line that there are Tai further south then they ever thought before? they know the Tai race yet just ignore there is a Tai leader of funan? why didnt they then send ambassadors from the Tai in China to meet the tai leaders in funan? could have created a large Tai empire and annexed it in Chinas name. you guys are such trolls i swear.

this is logic that cannot be refuted because there is simply no answer to it.

Chinese knew Tai race? Lol they grouped everyone into the Yue group dumbass. Chinese didn't give a $hit lol

[SabaiSabai]

can anyone explain how sien lieou could be siam lavo false cognates exist all the time mr porter for an example bangkok can be also said as well you should know how it could be said in english. does it mean that? no does it sound like that yes. so u understand false cognates now?

Clutching at straws lol

[chadwarden]

Chinese knew Tai race? Lol they grouped everyone into the Yue group dumbass. Chinese didn't give a $hit lol

um what?

The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain." '

its sad you guys dont evne know half of your history as a race. thats right because you guys dont know what you are lol

[SabaiSabai]

can anyone explain how sien lieou could be siam lavo false cognates exist all the time mr porter for an example bangkok can be also said as well you should know how it could be said in english. does it mean that? no does it sound like that yes. so u understand false cognates now?

Sounds a lot closet than Maleyu rofl

But on a serious note sien sounds exactly like xian which the Chinese used for Siam lol dumbass

[SabaiSabai]

um what?

The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain." '

its sad you guys dont evne know half of your history as a race. thats right because you guys dont know what you are lol

All clusters under bai Yue lol dumbass lol

[chadwarden]

Sien = Siam
lieou = Lorhu or Lavo

Simple like that.

I've read that China recorded that in 540 A.D. Funan was broken into Sian and Lorhu (I sttill can't find the 540 A.D. to confirm this. )

It indicated surely 2 states Sian and Lorhu, not one name Melayu. That's why it was written as "Sien-Lieou"

And it start with "S" sound, not "M", just incase you didn't read it well.

if sien leiou = siam lavo why wouldnt the chinese write it down as xian luo luo wo. the contracted it into 1 word for what reason?

why has no one gone out on a limb and said sien lieou equals siam lavo? doesnt that seem a bit odd? i mean if you are gonna mention sien lieou is it hard to say i think this is siam lavo in the writing? again falty logic on your part.

luckily i found out i had access to this journal of marco polo through my university



so you read it but you dont know where its at ? right..

The Arabs called it Zabag and the Khmer called it Melayu.[9] This is another reason why the discovery of Srivijaya was so difficult.[9] While some of these names are strongly reminiscent of the name of Java, there is a distinct possibility that they may have referred to Sumatra instead.[11]

[chadwarden]

All clusters under bai Yue lol dumbass lol

The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain."

According to Chinese documents of the ninth century, the Dais had a fairly well developed agriculture. They used oxen and elephants to till the land, grew large quantities of rice and had built an extensive irrigation system. They used kapok for weaving, panned salt and made weapons of metal. They plated their teeth with gold and silver.

In the 12th century, a Dai chieftain named Bazhen unified all the tribes and established the Mengle local regime with Jinghong as the capital, and called it the "Jinglong Golden Hall Kingdom." According to local records, the kingdom had a population of more than one million, and was famous for white elephants and fine-breed horses. It recognized the Chinese imperial court as its sovereign. When Bazhen ascended the throne, he was given a "tiger-head gold seal" by the Emperor, and the title "Lord of the Region." Previously, the Dais in the Dehong region had established the Mengmao Kingdom, with Ruilijiang as the capital.


um ok thats all i can do is give you the historical facts. you want to troll and act like its not there then fine il keep posting it.

and anyway a baiyue person is not going to look the same as a monkhmer. not at this time at least .the chinese already established this. the logic is there is no need to call people baiyue or dai if they look no different then a mon khmer or Pu person. dont you guys think at all?

[SabaiSabai]

The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain."

According to Chinese documents of the ninth century, the Dais had a fairly well developed agriculture. They used oxen and elephants to till the land, grew large quantities of rice and had built an extensive irrigation system. They used kapok for weaving, panned salt and made weapons of metal. They plated their teeth with gold and silver.

In the 12th century, a Dai chieftain named Bazhen unified all the tribes and established the Mengle local regime with Jinghong as the capital, and called it the "Jinglong Golden Hall Kingdom." According to local records, the kingdom had a population of more than one million, and was famous for white elephants and fine-breed horses. It recognized the Chinese imperial court as its sovereign. When Bazhen ascended the throne, he was given a "tiger-head gold seal" by the Emperor, and the title "Lord of the Region." Previously, the Dais in the Dehong region had established the Mengmao Kingdom, with Ruilijiang as the capital.


um ok thats all i can do is give you the historical facts. you want to troll and act like its not there then fine il keep posting it.

and anyway a baiyue person is not going to look the same as a monkhmer. not at this time at least .the chinese already established this. the logic is there is no need to call people baiyue or dai if they look no different then a mon khmer or Pu person. dont you guys think at all?

Historical fact? Roflmao that article is using a modern name to name the people. The name Dai was officially used only since the 50's lol

Anyway, Bai Yue tribes also consisted of Austroasiatic tribes lol to the Chinese everyone south of the border was a Yue aka barbarian lol

Tai have always called themselves Tai, Chinese didn't start calling Tai people as Dai till much later lol go you lol

[Rudrakshaman]

OK, Chad and KhmoerBoi.

Stop twisiting my logic.

I never used that fact that the rulers of Funan had Tai names to prove that Funan = Srivijaya = Siam.

My logic is straighforward, Srivijaya abmassador went to China and told the emperor that Srivijaya was called "Siam-Lavo"

So, Srivijaya = "Siam-Lavo" or later be called "Siam"

And if Suzuki is correct that Srivijaya rulers fled from Funan, then:

Funan = Srivijaya = Siam.

Simple like that, I never used the Tai name of Funan kings to prove this.

Don't twist my logic, ok?

I just proved that Funan rulers and Siam rulers were related, there are evidence to link them together, while for Khmer, there was no evidence to link Khmer King Nippean Bat to those Varman kings of Chenla (a vasaal of Funan and Srivijaya)

Very simple and straightforward.

For those rulers of Funan and Srivijaya speaking Tai or Mon or Indian, we will find out.

But for now, Funan = Srivijaya = Siam.

Don't twist my logic.

LMAO .....this Chinese guy really insane, i dont know what your agenda or mission .But compared to Loveisallarround and Sabaisabai....this Lee is really think with his @$$ !

Lee did you know Not only you and your japanese mentor Suzuki claimed Srivijaya Empire ( malay Empire) in Thai but tons of thais scholar tried to disproved that Srivijaya not in Palembang but fortunatelly they all failed by the many reputable scholars from all over the world including by Profesor Stephen Oppenheimer from Oxford University.

Do you know the origin of Malay language ? The origin of Malay language is in Jambi, Sumatra and The Malay brought malay language to Southern Thai (pattani) the malay language during the Reign of Srivijaya Empire and FYI Thai /Siam Language never Exist in Indonesia Archipelago particulary in Sumatra and java ,
so if Siam Invaded Sumatra and Java why the Siamese/Thai never leave the traces ( but im sure if it was happened the original Srivijayan Navy and Javanese Navy who known as the great Mariners would thrown to the sea they all !!) such as: language or culture? but the reality is the Malay language which origin from Jambi Sumatra exist until today in Southern Thailand.

I bet and sure you are actually interested to Include Majapahit Empire also as a Thai/siam Empire due to their Greatness and successfull to repeled Mongol Invasion in Java and you will bring some of your $hit theory from your @$$ to prove that Java Dvipa in Chaiya, and you will not shame to say that Majapahit Empire = Siam Empire lol.
Really i never found in any forum the peoples like you with very confident said everything is owned by Siam/Thai .
you know what ? you just ashamed many Thai peoples , i dont see many thai af members in this thread .

[SabaiSabai]

Here let me enlighten a dumbass

Descendants of the same ancestors as the ancient "Baiyue" people, the Dai ethnic minority has strong connections with nationalities such as Zhuang, Dong, Shui, Bouyei, and Li. The earliest records about the Dai ethnic minority can be traced back to the Han Dynasty in the first century, when it was named "Dianyue" or "Shan". It was named Jingchi, Huaman or Baiyi during the Tang and Song dynasties (618-1279), and Baiyi or Boyi during the Yuan and Ming periods (1271-1644). The local people call themselves Dai, to show their devotion to freedom and peace.

Retard lol

[SabaiSabai]

LMAO .....this Chinese guy really insane, i dont know what your agenda or mission .But compared to Loveisallarround and Sabaisabai....this Lee is really think with his @$$ !

Lee did you know Not only you and your japanese mentor Suzuki claimed Srivijaya Empire ( malay Empire) in Thai but tons of thais scholar tried to disproved that Srivijaya not in Palembang but fortunatelly they all failed by the many reputable scholars from all over the world including by Profesor Stephen Oppenheimer from Oxford University.

Do you know the origin of Malay language ? The origin of Malay language is in Jambi, Sumatra and The Malay brought malay language to Southern Thai (pattani) the malay language during the Reign of Srivijaya Empire and FYI Thai /Siam Language never Exist in Indonesia Archipelago particulary in Sumatra and java ,
so if Siam Invaded Sumatra and Java why the Siamese/Thai never leave the traces ( but im sure if it was happened the original Srivijayan Navy and Javanese Navy who known as the great Mariners would thrown to the sea they all !!) such as: language or culture? but the reality is the Malay language which origin from Jambi Sumatra exist until today in Southern Thailand.

I bet and sure you are actually interested to Include Majapahit Empire also as a Thai/siam Empire due to their Greatness and successfull to repeled Mongol Invasion in Java and you will bring some of your $hit theory from your @$$ to prove that Java Dvipa in Chaiya, and you will not shame to say that Majapahit Empire = Siam Empire lol.
Really i never found in any forum the peoples like you with very confident said everything is owned by Siam/Thai .
you know what ? you just ashamed many Thai peoples , i dont see many thai af members in this thread .

So you can explain why srivijaya was also known as Siam Lavo? Or are you just talking out of your @$$ too?

[chadwarden]

Here let me enlighten a dumbass

Descendants of the same ancestors as the ancient "Baiyue" people, the Dai ethnic minority has strong connections with nationalities such as Zhuang, Dong, Shui, Bouyei, and Li. The earliest records about the Dai ethnic minority can be traced back to the Han Dynasty in the first century, when it was named "Dianyue" or "Shan". It was named Jingchi, Huaman or Baiyi during the Tang and Song dynasties (618-1279), and Baiyi or Boyi during the Yuan and Ming periods (1271-1644). The local people call themselves Dai, to show their devotion to freedom and peace.

Retard lol

nope.avi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14


http://www.china.org.cn/e-groups/shaoshu/shao-2-dai.htm
so i guess the chinese are writing their history wrong now right? boy these "thai" historians are so correct in everything they do talk about arrogant you dont evne know your own race lol oh well siam is mon and tai oh well then we are tai from north there were tai people in thailand for years lol but now we are "thai" and we are free lol .



濮 is us mon khmers

what would be the purpose for a chinese website from china itself to write a history about the dai people incorrectly? i swear you thai historians this is the nation that uses the khmer name in many monuments scattered throughout its own country and now has some morons rewriting other nations histories and telling them they are wrong?

This post has been edited by chadwarden: Feb 20 2012, 05:16 AM

[Rudrakshaman]

So you can explain why srivijaya was also known as Siam Lavo? Or are you just talking out of your @$$ too?

i never heard Srivijaya known as Siam lavo as well i never heard any traces such as thai kadai language of Siam Army or another traces in Sumatra and Java, but I knew The Malay language which origin from Jambi exist in Thai .

[chadwarden]

So you can explain why srivijaya was also known as Siam Lavo? Or are you just talking out of your @$$ too?

lol you are a troll dude

lee porter guessed at it saying

sien lieou =siam lavo because somebody supposedly went to china and called san fo tsi sien lieou. siam lavo is lee porters own creation. trollproof.avi

[Leeporter]

i never heard Srivijaya known as Siam lavo as well i never heard any traces such as thai kadai language of Siam Army or another traces in Sumatra and Java, but I knew The Malay language which origin from Jambi exist in Thai .

So, make it be heard to you for the first time.

"During the winter of 961 A.D. the tribute was sent by a king called Che-li Wou-ye. These ambassadors reported that the kingdom of San-fo-tsi was also called Sien-lieou."


Hey, why you need to change username? Have something to hide?

[Rudrakshaman]

So, make it be heard to you for the first time.



Hey, why you need to change username? Have something to hide?

No , due to my old user name suspended from Admin for unknown reason ! so i have to make the new one .

This post has been edited by Rudrakshaman: Feb 20 2012, 05:29 AM

[Leeporter]

if sien leiou = siam lavo why wouldnt the chinese write it down as xian luo luo wo. the contracted it into 1 word for what reason?

why has no one gone out on a limb and said sien lieou equals siam lavo? doesnt that seem a bit odd? i mean if you are gonna mention sien lieou is it hard to say i think this is siam lavo in the writing? again falty logic on your part.

luckily i found out i had access to this journal of marco polo through my university

ha ha ha .. Like you, that Ferrand didn't know what it should be. In his head there was no Siam in Malay peninsular before 1240, so the best he can came up with is sien lieou = Malayu

What a joke, don't you think so?

The Arabs called it Zabag and the Khmer called it Melayu.[9] This is another reason why the discovery of Srivijaya was so difficult.[9] While some of these names are strongly reminiscent of the name of Java, there is a distinct possibility that they may have referred to Sumatra instead.[11]

And by the way, your friend SEAhistory cliamed that Zabag or Java or Chaba where Jayavaraman II came from was in Champa.

I've proved to him that Zabag or Java or Chaba was on Malay Peninisular and it was at Chaiya, Suratthani but he still insisted that it was in Champa.



I've told him that Arab's Zabag can't be in Indonesia and can't be in Vietnam. From Ptolemy map above, it must be on Malay Peninusular and it was a city port of Sri Vijaya at chaiya.

Now, you just confirmed what I siad that Zabag was on Malay peninnusular, thanks.

[Leeporter]

No , due to my old user name suspended from Admin for unknown reason ! so i have to make the new one .

And what was your user name? And what did you do to got banned? Trolling?