Still Angry At Japan? Options

[toonluv]

Who are the ones that thirst for revenge? There are three of you atleast. Perhaps you will tell us why? Or perhaps you dont have the balls. Huaren I already know you are one of them. Surely you three are not afraid of the "Nipimps". So come and openly voice your opinions and your anger. At the same time you will give me more ammunition for my arguements.

Huaren is just like one of those "guys" on the Chinadaily forums who put pride before anything else. Kinda scary to come to think of it. Ultra-patriotism will be the downfall of Chinese rationalism...ughhh.

Funny how time works. Back then, during the Han Dynasty, China conquered Korea and made it its "little brother." We don't see the Chinese apologizing do we? haha. Plz note that this does not mean that Japan should not apologize. In fact, I think Japan should just formerly apologize to China and get it over with. We shouldn't "force" the Japanese government to apologize, but rather gain the sympathy and respect from the Japanse ppl that such a horrendous acts did actually happen, and should be taken care of. By forcing Japan to apologize will only increase their unwillingless to apologize. Anyways, China and Japan have better things to do than beat a dead horse.

uh..you kind of have the wrong picture there, this happens after much time passes and third wheel influences dramatically change the landscape. First, koreans migrated to japan, japan is what it is BECAUSE of koreans not chinese. You must remember even though we were influenced by china, korea like china was largely the cradle of its own civilization. The distinct differences between chinese and koreans versus japanese clearly show this dynamic. The real upperhand for japan was the influence of the west and its wish to emulate its power and colonization strategies which it turned on the mainland to accomplish this. This as well as the inherent animosity from having to borrow much from the mainland and much of the citizens fleeing or starting anew because of ill circumstances or oppression also was a factor. This clearly shows why japan separated in sentiment as well as politically from korea. To believe china and japan are powers soley on your own efforts is partly a sham. Also, korea is not china's 'little brother', it knows it has to politically align with someone. You fail to see everyone does. North korea is aligned with china, South korea and japan is aligned with america. Bottomline, america gave south korea and especially japan its present day power and viability. Korea is not seen today for what it really is. Koreans have a lot more to be proud of than the modern world can see. Koreans were pushed into the peninsula because they were fiercely independent and fought for this. It is still viable today and japan is actually an extension of what these people fought and sacrificed for, without koreans japan would not exist today. Learn a little humility because both china and japan needs to, they have a schewed view to flatter themselves. China for one is not a democracy and is still relatively backward. It is in koreans that the seed of a fierce progressive spirit can be found and is evidenced today. South korea and japan are a democracy and are more advanced today. Korea's major resentment was japan's backbiting at korea.

This post has been edited by toonluv: Mar 17 2004, 05:19 PM

[tongbao_vince]

We will never forget the inhuman acts such as the Nanjing Massacre and biological experiments conducted by Unit 731. If Japan refuses to fully acknowledge their crimes against the Chinese then we must take it upon ourselves to educate others on the topic including how the Japanese government denied the atrocities and tried to censor history.

However, I would not wish to take revenge upon any Japanese today who are not the war criminals.

[AtlantisStar]

Who are the ones that thirst for revenge? There are three of you atleast. Perhaps you will tell us why? Or perhaps you dont have the balls. Huaren I already know you are one of them. Surely you three are not afraid of the "Nipimps". So come and openly voice your opinions and your anger. At the same time you will give me more ammunition for my arguements.

Huaren is just like one of those "guys" on the Chinadaily forums who put pride before anything else. Kinda scary to come to think of it. Ultra-patriotism will be the downfall of Chinese rationalism...ughhh.

Funny how time works. Back then, during the Han Dynasty, China conquered Korea and made it its "little brother." We don't see the Chinese apologizing do we? haha. Plz note that this does not mean that Japan should not apologize. In fact, I think Japan should just formerly apologize to China and get it over with. We shouldn't "force" the Japanese government to apologize, but rather gain the sympathy and respect from the Japanse ppl that such a horrendous acts did actually happen, and should be taken care of. By forcing Japan to apologize will only increase their unwillingless to apologize. Anyways, China and Japan have better things to do than beat a dead horse.

uh..you kind of have the wrong picture there, this happens after much time passes and third wheel influences dramatically change the landscape. First, koreans migrated to japan, japan is what it is BECAUSE of koreans not chinese. You must remember even though we were influenced by china, korea like china was largely the cradle of its own civilization. The distinct differences between chinese and koreans versus japanese clearly show this dynamic. The real upperhand for japan was the influence of the west and its wish to emulate its power and colonization strategies which it turned on the mainland to accomplish this. This as well as the inherent animosity from having to borrow much from the mainland and much of the citizens fleeing or starting anew because of ill circumstances or oppression also was a factor. This clearly shows why japan separated in sentiment as well as politically from korea. To believe china and japan are powers soley on your own efforts is partly a sham. Also, korea is not china's 'little brother', it knows it has to politically align with someone. You fail to see everyone does. North korea is aligned with china, South korea and japan is aligned with america. Bottomline, america gave south korea and especially japan its present day power and viability. Korea is not seen today for what it really is. Koreans have a lot more to be proud of than the modern world can see. Koreans were pushed into the peninsula because they were fiercely independent and fought for this. It is still viable today and japan is actually an extension of what these people fought and sacrificed for, without koreans japan would not exist today. Learn a little humility because both china and japan needs to, they have a schewed view to flatter themselves. China for one is not a democracy and is still relatively backward. It is in koreans that the seed of a fierce progressive spirit can be found and is evidenced today. South korea and japan are a democracy and are more advanced today. Korea's major resentment was japan's backbiting at korea.

my dear this has nothing to do with the topic :genius:

[toonluv]

i'm not your dear

[AtlantisStar]

thats not the point get on topic


i wonder if there is a war between China and Japan, it'll be like European WWI

[tongbao_vince]

WW1 trench warfare? Definately not. If there is one, it will be mainly air and naval warfare. Both China and Japan have really strong navies and airforces but the difference is that China has ICBM's that can win the war without losing a single Chinese soldier.

But since both China and Japan are each other's 2nd and 1st more important trading partner, any war would hurt both economies, and the world economy tremendously. The US economy would go into ruins if both Asian economic tigers goto war and then the world would follow.

[AtlantisStar]

where did i say trench warfare?

i meant it'd be test and an actual real use of the full blown neo-military technology. and the fact that it would drag other nations in, predominantly the United States.

[直隸總督]

and the fact that it would drag other nations in, predominantly the United States.

most likely US will start the war and drag other nations in.

[AtlantisStar]

no i meant if china and japan had one right now

[tongbao_vince]

You should have mentioned those aspects of WW1 or else people will literally think WW1.

[AtlantisStar]

well then i woulda said tactical warfare of WWI, WWI in general.

[Ogumo]

mmm....we have gotten many interesting replies havent we?

BananaMaster:

I like you more and more. I could not agree more with you.

toonluv: I dont know how the hell to even respond to you. But calling china backwards was ridiculous. You should have found a better way to say what you meant.

Atlantisstar:

It would be only like world war one in the sense that the war could be won and lost at SEA. Other than that nothing would be similar.


Tongbao:

"the difference is that China has ICBM's that can win the war without losing a single Chinese soldier."

That is something that must change. Japan must arm with ICBM in the future. Luckily japanese are losing the "nukes are evil" mindset. When you look at it japan is surrounded by nations with nukes and one is both unstable and aggresive. It is crazy for japan not have ICBMs.


This was also something that I am glad you mentioned.

"But since both China and Japan are each other's 2nd and 1st more important trading partner, any war would hurt both economies, and the world economy tremendously. The US economy would go into ruins if both Asian economic tigers goto war and then the world would follow."

That is extremly correct. If they both began fighting I believe it would be a world war three. Both the world economy as you have said would be devastated not to mention certain regions of the world its self. It would be terrible for everyone.

直隸總督:

And you.
"most likely US will start the war and drag other nations in. "

I dont think this would happen at first. That isnt really the american way. I believe america would push japan to start a war somewhere and then possibly join in or send weapons or troops. America has done similar many times in the past...why not do it again? Get your enemy out of the way and not filth your own hand.

[BananaMaster]

Who are the ones that thirst for revenge? There are three of you atleast. Perhaps you will tell us why? Or perhaps you dont have the balls. Huaren I already know you are one of them. Surely you three are not afraid of the "Nipimps". So come and openly voice your opinions and your anger. At the same time you will give me more ammunition for my arguements.

Huaren is just like one of those "guys" on the Chinadaily forums who put pride before anything else. Kinda scary to come to think of it. Ultra-patriotism will be the downfall of Chinese rationalism...ughhh.

Funny how time works. Back then, during the Han Dynasty, China conquered Korea and made it its "little brother." We don't see the Chinese apologizing do we? haha. Plz note that this does not mean that Japan should not apologize. In fact, I think Japan should just formerly apologize to China and get it over with. We shouldn't "force" the Japanese government to apologize, but rather gain the sympathy and respect from the Japanse ppl that such a horrendous acts did actually happen, and should be taken care of. By forcing Japan to apologize will only increase their unwillingless to apologize. Anyways, China and Japan have better things to do than beat a dead horse.

uh..you kind of have the wrong picture there, this happens after much time passes and third wheel influences dramatically change the landscape. First, koreans migrated to japan, japan is what it is BECAUSE of koreans not chinese. You must remember even though we were influenced by china, korea like china was largely the cradle of its own civilization. The distinct differences between chinese and koreans versus japanese clearly show this dynamic. The real upperhand for japan was the influence of the west and its wish to emulate its power and colonization strategies which it turned on the mainland to accomplish this. This as well as the inherent animosity from having to borrow much from the mainland and much of the citizens fleeing or starting anew because of ill circumstances or oppression also was a factor. This clearly shows why japan separated in sentiment as well as politically from korea. To believe china and japan are powers soley on your own efforts is partly a sham. Also, korea is not china's 'little brother', it knows it has to politically align with someone. You fail to see everyone does. North korea is aligned with china, South korea and japan is aligned with america. Bottomline, america gave south korea and especially japan its present day power and viability. Korea is not seen today for what it really is. Koreans have a lot more to be proud of than the modern world can see. Koreans were pushed into the peninsula because they were fiercely independent and fought for this. It is still viable today and japan is actually an extension of what these people fought and sacrificed for, without koreans japan would not exist today. Learn a little humility because both china and japan needs to, they have a schewed view to flatter themselves. China for one is not a democracy and is still relatively backward. It is in koreans that the seed of a fierce progressive spirit can be found and is evidenced today. South korea and japan are a democracy and are more advanced today. Korea's major resentment was japan's backbiting at korea.

Off-topic: Korea during the Han Dynasty was a colony of China for a mere 200 years (and it was called "little brother" in Mandarin). Korea was able to declare independence from the Han Empire because of internal politics between the Chinese royal family and Eunuchs (god I hate them). For this reason, I can understand that you can be somewhat troubled. I have no intention of playing down Korea or Japan, or elevating the historical status China. Anyways, I think it's starting to become "I'm superior than you are" type of argument, so I'll leave the dead horse be.

On topic: A lot of what I said has nothing to do with your reply. I'm just merely trying to state that the length of time does influence our judgement to how we percieve past and present events. Bashing Japan for its past mistakes 50 years ago is a lot easier than bashing China for mistakes done almost two milliniums ago. What's the difference? EVIDENCE, and we have plenty of that lying around, it just matters if we are going to acknowledge it or not.

BTW, China backward? U should talk to Kulong, he'll give u all the evidence that it ISN'T backward. Good day.

[toonluv]

That is because they did experiments on humans and this is a modern age. That is like saying slavery is okay because it was believed to be so at one time. um..your ideology/view is actually unprogressive, it is not about bashing as overcoming a hurdle. If these issues are not addressed and given japan has not apologized, if this is simply overlooked on the basis of 'hey, everyone did it!' then that is political regression albeit passively. Anyways, china is backwards in certain regards partly because it is still communist. As far as korea being a colony for 200 years, thats a blip considering its history is THOUSANDS of years old. By today's standards we could say korea and japan are colonies of america in some regard but i'd rather not define it that way. good day.

This post has been edited by toonluv: Mar 17 2004, 07:37 PM

[Ogumo]

That is because they did experiments on humans and this is a modern age. That is like saying slavery is okay because it was believed to be so at one time. um..your ideology/view is actually unprogressive, it is not about bashing as overcoming a hurdle. If these issues are not addressed and given japan has not apologized, if this is simply overlooked on the basis of 'hey, everyone did it!' then that is political regression albeit passively. Anyways, china is backwards in certain regards partly because it is still communist. As far as korea being a colony for 200 years, thats a blip considering its history is THOUSANDS of years old. By today's standards we could say korea and japan are colonies of america in some regard but i'd rather not define it that way. good day.

By today's standards we could say korea and japan are colonies of america in some regard

Yeah....this is something must change.

[直隸總督]

That is because they did experiments on humans and this is a modern age.  That is like saying slavery is okay because it was believed to be so at one time.  um..your ideology/view is actually unprogressive, it is not about bashing as overcoming a hurdle.  If these issues are not addressed and given japan has not apologized, if this is simply overlooked on the basis of 'hey, everyone did it!' then that is political regression albeit passively.  Anyways, china is backwards in certain regards partly because it is still communist.  As far as korea being a colony for 200 years, thats a blip considering its history is THOUSANDS of years old.  By today's standards we could say korea and japan are colonies of america in some regard but i'd rather not define it that way.  good day.

By today's standards we could say korea and japan are colonies of america in some regard

Yeah....this is something must change.

Join the axis with China

[Ogumo]

That is because they did experiments on humans and this is a modern age.  That is like saying slavery is okay because it was believed to be so at one time.  um..your ideology/view is actually unprogressive, it is not about bashing as overcoming a hurdle.  If these issues are not addressed and given japan has not apologized, if this is simply overlooked on the basis of 'hey, everyone did it!' then that is political regression albeit passively.  Anyways, china is backwards in certain regards partly because it is still communist.  As far as korea being a colony for 200 years, thats a blip considering its history is THOUSANDS of years old.  By today's standards we could say korea and japan are colonies of america in some regard but i'd rather not define it that way.  good day.

By today's standards we could say korea and japan are colonies of america in some regard

Yeah....this is something must change.

Join the axis with China

...you know I would.

This post has been edited by Ogumo: Mar 17 2004, 07:42 PM

[Rad Raz]

Korea during the Han Dynasty was a colony of China for a mere 200 years (and it was called "little brother" in Mandarin). Korea was able to declare independence from the Han Empire because of internal politics between the Chinese royal family and Eunuchs (god I hate them). For this reason, I can understand that you can be somewhat troubled. I have no intention of playing down Korea or Japan, or elevating the historical status China. Anyways, I think it's starting to become "I'm superior than you are" type of argument, so I'll leave the dead horse be.

China during Han dynasty ONLY conquered northern part of korea (north korea) present time. They did not colonized whole korean peninsula.

This post has been edited by Rad Raz: Mar 17 2004, 07:54 PM

[Ogumo]

...and the number grows to seven. Can we get a eight??

[AtlantisStar]

ARGH I DONT CARE ABOUT HAN OR KOREA. I"M talking about China and Japan in the modern years (at least from 1900-an on)