Surprisingly, some Chinese in China support Tsai Ing-Wen, the DPP, and Taiwan's democracy. Don't necessarily support Ma Options

[Red Fox Ace]

Chinese views on Taiwan’s elections

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials...5/26/2003504162


By Gerrit Van der Wees

Here is a brief summary of some of those calls, with the aim of giving some insight into what people in China say and think about relations with Taiwan. Of course, these views are never mentioned by the rulers in Beijing and are also quite at odds with what the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) administration presents as being the position of the Chinese people.

One questioner from Hubei Province said: “The Taiwanese election is the right of the 23 million people of Taiwan. Right now, we don’t have that right here.”


A caller from Yunnan Province: “Taiwan is working toward mature democracy. I personally prefer President Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九), but that doesn’t matter, because it is the choice of the 23 million people of Taiwan.”

Another caller from Hubei: “The DPP [Democratic Progressive Party] in the past gave us the impression that they want to go for independence while Ma wants to unify with China. But for Taiwan’s future, you need to find a balance between those two positions. A critical point in finding this balance is keeping a strong democracy. As for the ‘one China’ policy, they will have to change it, because the people in Taiwan and China don’t like it. And the WHO/WHA [World Health Assembly] incident treating Taiwan as a ‘province of China’ shows that Ma has been very weak and inconsistent in his policies.”

A gentleman from Tianjin was rather clear in stating his preference for the Taiwanese presidential election: “Ms Tsai Ing-wen (蔡英文) should become the next president of Taiwan, period.”

A Mr Chang from Hunan Province: “I am going to Taiwan in January, but I will not interfere in the elections. That is for the people in Taiwan to decide.”

A Mr Liu from Hubei: “I support Ma, but in support of him, I do not have the right to decide — that is the right of the 23 million people of Taiwan. If Tsai and the DPP win, they should really know what they are doing, because it is very hard to deal with the [Chinese] Communist Party [CCP].”

A gentleman from Zhejiang Province: “I don’t think we can let President Ma stay in power because if he stays, Taiwan will be swallowed up by China and there will be no more Taiwan. That will be the end of Taiwan.”

It shows that a significant majority of them feel that it is up to the 23 million people of Taiwan to decide their own president. They may have different views on who to support, but several mentioned that this didn’t matter: It is up to the people in Taiwan to decide.

This post has been edited by Red Fox Ace: May 31 2011, 09:09 PM

[DOUBLEMINT]

I support her too.Because if she is elected,she will screw up taiwan's economy like 阿扁 did,makes it even easier for us to kick your sorry @$$ out of our little island.

[Hugham]

WHAT??? BS!

The journalist already have a purpose to wrote this kind of article since the beginning. He filtered the comments to support his own idea.

Western Journalist!

[sewoth]

Chinese views on Taiwan’s elections

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials...5/26/2003504162


By Gerrit Van der Wees

Here is a brief summary of some of those calls, with the aim of giving some insight into what people in China say and think about relations with Taiwan. Of course, these views are never mentioned by the rulers in Beijing and are also quite at odds with what the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) administration presents as being the position of the Chinese people.

One questioner from Hubei Province said: “The Taiwanese election is the right of the 23 million people of Taiwan. Right now, we don’t have that right here.”


A caller from Yunnan Province: “Taiwan is working toward mature democracy. I personally prefer President Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九), but that doesn’t matter, because it is the choice of the 23 million people of Taiwan.”

Another caller from Hubei: “The DPP [Democratic Progressive Party] in the past gave us the impression that they want to go for independence while Ma wants to unify with China. But for Taiwan’s future, you need to find a balance between those two positions. A critical point in finding this balance is keeping a strong democracy. As for the ‘one China’ policy, they will have to change it, because the people in Taiwan and China don’t like it. And the WHO/WHA [World Health Assembly] incident treating Taiwan as a ‘province of China’ shows that Ma has been very weak and inconsistent in his policies.”

A gentleman from Tianjin was rather clear in stating his preference for the Taiwanese presidential election: “Ms Tsai Ing-wen (蔡英文) should become the next president of Taiwan, period.”

A Mr Chang from Hunan Province: “I am going to Taiwan in January, but I will not interfere in the elections. That is for the people in Taiwan to decide.”

A Mr Liu from Hubei: “I support Ma, but in support of him, I do not have the right to decide — that is the right of the 23 million people of Taiwan. If Tsai and the DPP win, they should really know what they are doing, because it is very hard to deal with the [Chinese] Communist Party [CCP].”

A gentleman from Zhejiang Province: “I don’t think we can let President Ma stay in power because if he stays, Taiwan will be swallowed up by China and there will be no more Taiwan. That will be the end of Taiwan.”

This is just a small selection of calls received from China, but it shows that a significant majority of them feel that it is up to the 23 million people of Taiwan to decide their own president. They may have different views on who to support, but several mentioned that this didn’t matter: It is up to the people in Taiwan to decide.

Congratulations, RFA! This shows that there are at least 5 people out of 1.4 billion that supports Taiwan being independent. Your life long dream is just around the corner!







NOT...

"...these views are never mentioned by the rulers in Beijing..." I actually find this line particularly funny. Is the CCP put this on front page of China Daily? Headline - "5 mainland Chinese people may or may not support T.I. !"

[Red Fox Ace]

It's still quite interesting. One would think that most Chinese would be against Taiwan deciding its own government, etc.

This post has been edited by Red Fox Ace: Jun 1 2011, 05:48 PM

[sewoth]

It's called representative sampling. Take a statistics class.

Umm... I don't see how this is representative or sampling. I only saw the "reporter" cherry pick out 5 or so quotes that call it representative. Also it is funny that he claims Majority, because his entire pool is everyone in China who watches VOA (which as far as know is not broadcasted on any major channels, perhaps you need to get it on dish or radio?) and then decides to call in. Is this the "sampling" part? Maybe you should take a stat class. Also, probably most of the callers are businessman from taiwan currently working in China.

[freezingpoint]

I strongly support Cai Yingwen!

Ma Yingjiu is the most dangerous form of Taiwanese politician. He will never do anything stupid that risks his skin. Instead he'll continue filling his personal bank account quietly while navigating in the middle.

Cai, on the other hand, is pretty dumb and probably would blatantly steal like Chen. This reduces confidence in Taiwan's political system, disrupts its economy, and might lead to a backlash.

[bear11]

taipeitimes is even worse propaganda machine than anything that comes from North Korea.

A gentleman from Zhejiang Province: “I don’t think we can let President Ma stay in power because if he stays, Taiwan will be swallowed up by China and there will be no more Taiwan. That will be the end of Taiwan.”

This post has been edited by bear11: May 31 2011, 11:04 PM

[HotdogLotion]

Many young mainlanders just want to take back Taiwan island, not Taiwanese people. This group of mainlanders are sick and tired of the CCP's soft stance on the unification issues and they don't believe giving endless commercial preferential treatments to Taiwan is the correct way to deal with Taiwan. Instead they believe Taiwan should be administrated by the DPP who happens to be very good at committing economic suicide. Better yet, these young mainlanders believe China should stop all commercial links to Taiwan to starve Taiwan to death. This is the major reason why they support Cai Yinwen.

I can understand their frustration on the slow process of reunification. But they should think real hard and deep.....Who really slows the reunification process? Is it all because the fault of Taiwan's KMT? I don't think so....I suspect that the CCP itself is not that interested in a quick reunification because a post-unification Taiwan is not going to be that easy to be dealt with. TW is not going to be like HK politically. To the higher-ups of the CCP, they probably see a post-unification Taiwan as a political hot potato. So the CCP is perhaps quite satisfied with the current situation where Taiwan doesn't bark for independence day in and day out. there are simply too many far more important internal issues that CCP needs to handle now. As for reunification, the CCP can and wants to wait....

This post has been edited by HotdogLotion: May 31 2011, 11:40 PM

[DOUBLEMINT]

Many young mainlanders just want to take back Taiwan island, not Taiwanese people. This group of mainlanders are sick and tired of the CCP's soft stance on the unification issues and they don't believe giving endless commercial preferential treatments to Taiwan is the correct way to deal with Taiwan. Instead they believe Taiwan should be administrated by the DPP who happens to be very good at committing economic suicide. Better yet, these young mainlanders believe China should stop all commercial links to Taiwan to starve Taiwan to death. This is the major reason why they support Cai Yinwen.

I can understand their frustration on the slow process of reunification. But they should think real hard and deep.....Who really slows the reunification process? Is it all because the fault of Taiwan's KMT? I don't think so....I suspect that the CCP itself is not that interested in a quick reunification because a post-unification Taiwan is not going to be that easy to be dealt with. TW is not going to be like HK politically. To the higher-ups of the CCP, they probably see a post-unification Taiwan as a political hot potato. So the CCP is perhaps quite satisfied with the current situation where Taiwan doesn't bark for independence day in and day out. there are simply too many far more important internal issues that CCP needs to handle now. As for reunification, the CCP can and wants to wait....

True,chinese dont want unification that badly,its not like it will change our lives or something.But we are getting tired of dealing with the endless hate and attacks from taiwanese people,we didnt do anything to deseve that.I just wish ccp could bomb the island up and get it over with.

[BurdenOfAges]

It's called representative sampling. Take a statistics class.

While it may be true that more mainland Chinese support Taiwan independence and democracy than is typically assumed (especially the latter), this is by no means representative sampling. As a poster above pointed out, VOA is not a representative broadcasting station in China, and its viewer base is unlikely to be representative of mainland Chinese.

This post has been edited by BurdenOfAges: Jun 1 2011, 01:56 AM

[Red Fox Ace]

taipeitimes is even worse propaganda machine than anything that comes from North Korea.

How is it "propaganda" if it's simply quoting what people in China have said, in their own words?

[newties21]

Lol.....

TI propaganda methods are among the worst in the world.......I dare to say they are even worse than CCP propaganda......so stupid....

I worry about their continuous repeated brainwashing and subtle propaganda such as these kinds of articles.
You see it is starting to have some impact and effect.
At least for some CCP propaganda recipients maybe we can say some of them are rural peasants and not highly educated.....but we see the impact of TI propaganda toward some highly educated, internet literate users, who seem to really believe and swallow what they say.....even to the extent of believing that actually Mainland Chinese support Tsai Ing Wen and "the fate of Taiwan is determined by its 23 million people", totally the same phrase like the one used repeatedly by Taiwanese politicians.
Of course all of this is natural and this article is accurate 100%.
No doubt about it.

: D

[Elysee]

She looks retarded.

[robot_devil]

Representive sampling? Lol. Either RFA(radio free Asia?) is very naive, has never taken a statistics course himself, or an especailly lame TI propagandist.

This post has been edited by robot_devil: Jun 2 2011, 06:21 PM

[Suijen]

I don't believe it at all. If this were the case, then that would mean mainlanders would accept 1 China and 1 Taiwan. I seriously, seriously doubt that.

[Red Fox Ace]

But we are getting tired of dealing with the endless hate and attacks from taiwanese people

Such as what/which? Supporting "status quo - wanting neither independence nor unification" hardly fits the definition of "endless hate and attacks."

[DOUBLEMINT]

Such as what/which? Supporting "status quo - wanting neither independence nor unification" hardly fits the definition of "endless hate and attacks."

Such as taiwanese call chinese "支那人" and all sorts of $hit.And dont tell me its just the extremists,you know thats not true,especially among the younger generation.