Malaysians & Khmers, How Do you Think!!! Options

[RockHeart]

Hello! All Malaysians...

I was still remembered a little bit about the history between Malaysians and Khmers from my parent told me as:

Long time ago, There were some Malaysians resettled in CambodiaLand. By that time, those two nations got closer and closer. Then they became as one family together( husband and Wife). So my question is...

Do the Malaysians and Khmers relate together?

For me, i think it should be!!!

DWS"RWS"...

RockHeart.
:genius:

[malaccan]

Hi RockHeart,

I'm very new here so a bit shy to talk too much lah. But as they say, kalau malu sesat jalan rite. I really dunno about the rship between the Khmers and Malay, but certainly there are ties with the Cham. There was a lot of intermarriages in the past as well as migration of people. This is quite prevalent for those living near the Kelantan?Terengganu areas, as well as Patani across the border. What little I know is from this Malaysian guy with Cham ancestors. He claims that Nik Aziz has some Cham blood. Interesting don't u think?

[junior high_rhap...]

Well...just wanted to ask...does the word "Malaysian" here refer to the Malays? Hmm...Nik Aziz? Oh, that PAS guy is it? Won't be surprised. The Kelantanese are a rather unique breed, don't you think so? I wouldn't be surprised either if a bit of Khmer blood runs through some, or maybe most of the Kelantanese! If I am not mistaken, Kelantan, Kedah, Perlis and Terengganu were formerly ruled by the Siamese. So it wouldn't be surprising if intermarriages happen.

[malaccan]

Well...just wanted to ask...does the word "Malaysian" here refer to the Malays? Hmm...Nik Aziz? Oh, that PAS guy is it? Won't be surprised. The Kelantanese are a rather unique breed, don't you think so? I wouldn't be surprised either if a bit of Khmer blood runs through some, or maybe most of the Kelantanese! If I am not mistaken, Kelantan, Kedah, Perlis and Terengganu were formerly ruled by the Siamese. So it wouldn't be surprising if intermarriages happen.

Ooops, wasn't being specific. Our Malaysian friend is a Malay from Kelantan. Yeah, I won't be surprised if he has some Cham blood in him, but certainly his grandparents were Siamese from Thailand, migrated to Malaya in the 1930s. My family is from Melaka and Negeri Sembilan, so our ancestry is very much related to Sumatra/Srvijaya/Minangkabau. When I first heard my friend speak Kelantanese dialect with his family.. so funny! His grandma still speaks a smattering of Thai. I think once Sukothai/Ayuthaya seeked dominion over the whole of the Malay peninsula right down Temasek(modern Singapore). This fits nicely with the creation of Malacca! Do you remember from our histor textbooks how Parameswara, a Srivijaya/ Sailendra prince ran away from Sumatra and seeked refuge at Temasek. He killed the local Majapahit ruler there, but it was the Siamese who routed him from the island. He ran north to Malacca where he converted to Islam which essentially came by way of India. To protect his state from Majapahit and Ayuthaya, he seeked patronage from the Chinese emperor through the Muslim eunuch, Cheng Ho. Alhough Majapahit was Hindu and Ayuthaya Buddhist, religious rivalry was not a factor, it was a matter of territory and trade. Everything so interchangeable then.

Just reread my post. Sorry, I'm leaning away from the topic. There sure is a lot of intermarriages. I've only recently realised that the relationship between the various races in southeast Asia is very dynamic. Anyway, I know that Khmer is related to Mon. Probably not Malay, but do correct me if I'm wrong.

[junior high_rhap...]

Ah, yes! I still remember my History. Well, I'm in Form 3 now, and the chapters are about Malaysia on the way to Independance and after. But in Form 1 we do learn the famous story about Parameswara. Yep, he ran to Temasek and killed that Temagi guy. Malacca was so prosperous...wish it is now, then Malacca would've been Malaysia's sweetheart. Yea, in Southeast Asia, there are a lot of intermarriages between various races. That's why people in Southeast Asia are so good-looking. : P Just kidding, but a lot of good-looking people in SEA tend to be of mixed blood.

Speaking of intermarriages, your ancestry is related to Sumatera/Srivijaya/Minangkabau? Wow! That's amazing! I'm sure you must've many distant relatives. A unique family history, I call it.

[malaccan]

Well, I'm in Form 3 now, and the chapters are about Malaysia on the way to Independance and after.

Oh, so you'll be sitting for your PMR this year rit. All the best ok! Go for As!

I'm sure you must've many distant relatives.

Hmmm well.... I know that my late grandfather used to keep in touch with his distant distant relatives in Padang (homeland of the Minang folks) but I have no idea whatsoever as to who they are. I got many relatives in Singapore though! I visit them a least twice a year, Hari Raya included of course.

Learning about Malay history is fun, but when you superimpose that on the Malaysian multicultural society, it makes it even more interesting! Where will Malaysia be without the Chinese and Indians and the other bumiputera tribes, right?

[Zultan]

Umm, some of my online friends say I look like malaysian when I show them my picture but I have never seen what a malaysian look like. I have no malaysian blood in me. I'm khmer.

[dalawapo]

Umm, some of my online friends say I look like malaysian when I show them my picture but I have never seen what a malaysian look like. I have no malaysian blood in me. I'm khmer.

Malaysians, Filipinos, and Indonesians are the same Ethnicity.

just like Cambodians and your brothers of KhmerKrom are the same ethnicity.

you guys just seperated and divded into different nations.

the white man is responsible for both your disintegration and my people's because the western colonists cut up the islands into three nations because there were 3 colonials who sought after the Island Region of the Malay Ethnciity.

British named their terrirory Malaysia
Dutch named their terrirotry Indonesia
Spaniards named their territory Philippines

[Zultan]

QUOTE (dalawapo Posted on May 17 2004, 02:42 AM)

Malaysians, Filipinos, and Indonesians are the same Ethnicity.

just like Cambodians and your brothers of KhmerKrom are the same ethnicity.

you guys just seperated and divded into different nations.

the white man is responsible for both your disintegration and my people's because the western colonists cut up the islands into three nations because there were 3 colonials who sought after the Island Region of the Malay Ethnciity.

British named their terrirory Malaysia
Dutch named their terrirotry Indonesia
Spaniards named their territory Philippines

Wow, Interesting. That explains why I get mistaken for malaysian and also filipino. Thanks.

[ejay1]

QUOTE (dalawapo Posted on May 17 2004, 02:42 AM)

Malaysians, Filipinos, and Indonesians are the same Ethnicity.

just like Cambodians and your brothers of KhmerKrom are the same ethnicity.

you guys just seperated and divded into different nations.

the white man is responsible for both your disintegration and my people's because the western colonists cut up the islands into three nations because there were 3 colonials who sought after the Island Region of the Malay Ethnciity.

British named their terrirory Malaysia
Dutch named their terrirotry Indonesia
Spaniards named their territory Philippines

Wow, Interesting. That explains why I get mistaken for malaysian and also filipino. Thanks.

Filipinos and Malaysians may have come from the same Ancestors who came from Southern Taiwan. But we are not the same anymore, it seems like the Malaysians have mixed with their neighbors like the cambodians. While the filipinos stayed true to their austronesian physical appearance. And for the cambodian who was mistaken for filipino. The person who mistook you for filipino is ignorant, if they can't tell the difference between an filipino and an cambodian.

[Menikani]

While the filipinos stayed true to their austronesian physical appearance.

Not true, Filipinos mixed with the Negritos who was first there on the islands. There are even negritos left in the Phillipines. That is why Filipinos look like a half between Indonesian and Australian aborigne.

[ejay1]

While the filipinos stayed true to their austronesian  physical appearance.

Not true, Filipinos mixed with the Negritos who was first there on the islands. There are even negritos left in the Phillipines. That is why Filipinos look like a half between Indonesian and Australian aborigne.

Not all filipinos mixed with negrito. The majority of filipinos did not mix with negritos. Those who did look as dark as cambodians. Maybe Zultan was confused for an filipino negrito or an filipino who was mixed with negrito.

[Menikani]

Not all filipinos mixed with negrito. The majority of filipinos did not mix with negritos. Those who did look as dark as cambodians. Maybe Zultan was confused for an filipino negrito or an filipino who was mixed with negrito.

How do you know not all? I would say most Filipinos are, you probably have some negrito blood in you. There aren't even one known negrito tribes in Cambodia let alone Thailand, Laos, Myanmar or Vietnam. But there are Negrito tribes in the Phillipines numbering in the thousands. Why are you denying that you could probably be mixed with the Negritos? To deny this you are denying yourself.

This post has been edited by Menikani: May 17 2004, 07:37 AM

[ejay1]

Not all filipinos mixed with negrito. The majority of filipinos did not mix with negritos. Those who did look as dark as cambodians. Maybe Zultan was confused for an filipino negrito or an filipino who was mixed with negrito.

How do you know not all? I would say most Filipinos are, you probably have some negrito blood in you. There aren't even one known negrito tribes in Cambodia let alone Thailand, Laos, Myanmar or Vietnam. But there are SO MANY Negrito tribes in the Phillipines. Why are you denying that you could probably be mixed with the Negritos? To deny this you are denying yourself. You have to accept it, then you would accept yourself.

Lies all lies, I don't have negrito blood in me. Our austronesian ancestors didn't mix with negritos, in fact we pushed them inland. The average filipino is light brown skin. Stop making lies about the filipino people so you can make your cambodian people look better. It is the Cambodians who are mixed with negritos, due to your very dark skin.

This post has been edited by ejay1: May 17 2004, 07:41 AM

[Menikani]

Lies all lies, I don't have negrito blood in me.   Our austronesian ancestors didn't mix with negritos, in fact we pushed them inland. The average filipino is light brown skin. Stop making lies about the filipino people so you can make your cambodian people look better.

How am I making it up? There are negrito tribes in the Phillipines, most likely your Filipino ancestors would have made contact and interbreeded with the Negritos. So you can't say for sure that you have no negrito blood in you.

It is the Cambodians who are mixed with negritos, due to your very dark skin.

Are there any Negrito Tribes in Cambodia or any neighboring countries that would have affected the Cambodian gene pool? Name one Negrito tribe in Cambodia. I bet you I can name hundreds in the Phillipines.

This post has been edited by Menikani: May 17 2004, 07:46 AM

[ejay1]

Lies all lies, I don't have negrito blood in me.   Our austronesian ancestors didn't mix with negritos, in fact we pushed them inland. The average filipino is light brown skin. Stop making lies about the filipino people so you can make your cambodian people look better.

How am I making it up? There are negrito tribes in the Phillipines, most likely your Filipino ancestors would have made contact and interbreeded with the Negritos. So you can't say for sure that you have no negrito blood in you.

You can usually tell if you have negrito blood or not. You would be unsually dark if you had negrito blood. And when my austronesian ancestors arrived we pushed the negritos inland and they lived an isolated life in the mountains. Most negrito tribes didn't have contact with the lighter skinned filipinos since they stayed in the mountains. :genius:

There are no more negrito tribes in cambodia because your ancestors breeded with them to extinction.

This post has been edited by ejay1: May 17 2004, 07:50 AM

[Menikani]

You can usually tell if you have negrito blood or not. You would be unsually dark if you had negrito blood. And when my austronesian ancestors arrived we pushed the negritos inland and they lived an isolated life in the mountains. Most negrito tribes didn't have contact with the lighter skinned filipinos since they stayed in the mountains.  :genius:

Then why do most Filipinos look half Negrito or resemble negritos if they did'nt interbreed? Light Brown skin is still dark skin.

There are no more negrito tribes in cambodia because your ancestors breeded with them to extinction.

Then how come most Khmer has the Mon-Khmer look while most Filipinos resembles Negritos?

This post has been edited by Menikani: May 17 2004, 07:51 AM

[ejay1]

You can usually tell if you have negrito blood or not. You would be unsually dark if you had negrito blood. And when my austronesian ancestors arrived we pushed the negritos inland and they lived an isolated life in the mountains. Most negrito tribes didn't have contact with the lighter skinned filipinos since they stayed in the mountains.  :genius:

Then why do most Filipinos look half Negrito or resemble negritos if they did'nt interbreed? Light Brown skin is still dark skin.

There are no more negrito tribes in cambodia because your ancestors breeded with them to extinction.

Then how come most Khmer has the Mon-Khmer look while most Filipinos resembles Negritos?

Most filipinos look negrito? See the girl on my sig. she is full filipina. And her last name is pre-spanish native filipino. Our austronesian ancestors came from southern taiwan. The negritos came from mainland asia, how could there not have been negritos in Cambodia. Stop making assumptions of the filipino people if you don't know much about us.

[Menikani]

Most filipinos look negrito? See the girl on my sig. she is full filipina. And her last name is pre-spanish native filipino. Our austronesian ancestors came from southern taiwan. The negritos came from mainland asia, how could there not have been negritos in Cambodia. Stop making assumptions of the filipino people if you don't know much about us.

She dosen't look full Filipino to me. She could be mixed with Chinese or Spanish. There is nothing bad about resembling negritos. Most filipinos do, nothing wrong with it. Your ancestors may have came from Southern Taiwan but when they landed on the Phillipine islands, most likely they interbreeded with the Negritos. That is why most Filipinos do not look like the Aboriginals of Taiwan. But more like Negritos mixed with Malays, or australian aboriginals.

[ejay1]

Most filipinos look negrito? See the girl on my sig. she is full filipina. And her last name is pre-spanish native filipino. Our austronesian ancestors came from southern taiwan. The negritos came from mainland asia, how could there not have been negritos in Cambodia. Stop making assumptions of the filipino people if you don't know much about us.

She dosen't look full Filipino to me. She could be mixed with Chinese or Spanish. There is nothing bad about resembling negritos. Most filipinos do, nothing wrong with it. Your ancestors may have came from Southern Taiwan but when they landed on the Phillipine islands, most likely they interbreeded with the Negritos. That is why most Filipinos do not look like the Aboriginals of Taiwan. But more like Negritos mixed with Malays, or australian aboriginals.

Again she is full filipina, stop trying to put down the filipino people. Most filipinos don't look negrito, you know why we have so many negrito tribes. Because we didn't mass interbreed with them like cambodians did. Instead of saying that filipinos are half negrito, you should look at the cambodian people and ask why do you look so dark. The reason filipinos are light brown because we have adopted to the heat from the tropical weather of the Philippines.