Whats the beef with Khmai vs Thai? Options

[VenS]

I never understood what the beef is between us. I didn't even know we hated each other. I assumed Indochina countries were friends with each other. Is it between that one temple ? I mean can't we just share it. Or is there more to it. I'm friends with Thai classmates and they to didn't know are countries hated each other as well . I guess are parents don't want us to talk about it.

[khmerpride]

I never understood what the beef is between us. I didn't even know we hated each other. I assumed Indochina countries were friends with each other. Is it between that one temple ? I mean can't we just share it. Or is there more to it. I'm friends with Thai classmates and they to didn't know are countries hated each other as well . I guess are parents don't want us to talk about it.

First^^
Thailand was never a Indochinese Country but this is not the Reasong about the whole Hate-Relationship between Thailand and Cambodia.

The main reasons are mistakes in the past/history.
And some People here trying to find out the truth with a not so friendly way as it should have been.

[VenS]

First^^
Thailand was never a Indochinese Country but this is not the Reasong about the whole Hate-Relationship between Thailand and Cambodia.

The main reasons are mistakes in the past/history.
And some People here trying to find out the truth with a not so friendly way as it should have been.

Like Muay Thai and Bokator ?

[Weareallone]

Like Muay Thai and Bokator ?

No, like you stinky Khamen slaves usurping the throne in 1336. When you understand the context of that sentence you will probably have a big smile on your face as well.

[thaiboy]

No, like you stinky Khamen slaves usurping the throne in 1336. When you understand the context of that sentence you will probably have a big smile on your face as well.

TROLL?


This post has been edited by thaiboy: Jan 29 2012, 11:57 AM

[VenS]

No, like you stinky Khamen slaves usurping the throne in 1336. When you understand the context of that sentence you will probably have a big smile on your face as well.

I dont get your statement. I just asked a simple question between our 2 countries and why we tend to hate each other. You judge me without even knowing me. Its pretty disgraceful and pathetic.

This post has been edited by VenS: Jan 29 2012, 11:49 AM

[thaiboy]

First^^
Thailand was never a Indochinese Country but this is not the Reasong about the whole Hate-Relationship between Thailand and Cambodia.

The main reasons are mistakes in the past/history.
And some People here trying to find out the truth with a not so friendly way as it should have been.

The main reason that make the problem and hatred between Thai-Cambodia now is politic .
Do u remember Pnom pehn riot that Cambodian protest destroy Thai shop and business in PnomPehn(after Hunsen provoke for his popularity in new election) in 2003 or even Preah vihear conflict between Hunsen and Democrat Party(Anti -Taksin) in 2009-2011?


If the main reason is history,the Burma must be the most hatred for Thai because they destroy our old capital.
But in the truth, Burma is not the hated country for Thai .Many Thai like Burma and many Burmese (around 1-2 millions peoples are working in Thailand )now .
It's because we don't have the politic problem like Thai-Cambodia.
And if you walk in Bangkok ,you will see many Cambodian beggars(never seen from Laos or Burma) ,it also make the bad perception of Cambodian for Thais.

This post has been edited by thaiboy: Jan 29 2012, 11:58 AM

[khmerpride]

The main reason that make the problem and hatred between Thai-Cambodia now is politic .
Do u remember Pnom pehn riot that Cambodian protest destroy Thai shop and business in PnomPehn(after Hunsen provoke for his popularity in new election) in 2003 or even Preah vihear conflict between Hunsen and Democrat Party(Anti -Taksin) in 2009-2011?


If the main reason is history,the Burma must be the most hatred for Thai because they destroy our old capital.
But in the truth, Burma is not the hated country for Thai .Many Thai like Burma and many Burmese (around 1-2 millions peoples are working in Thailand )now .
It's because we don't have the politic problem like Thai-Cambodia.
And if you walk in Bangkok ,you will see many Cambodian beggars(never seen from Laos or Burma) ,it also make the bad perception of Cambodian for Thais.

Yes unfortunately.
But it makes me realy happy that there are some Thai People like you.
I think that there is just a small group of Thais and Cambodians that hate each other.
I'm sure that the most Khmer and Thais don't hate each other.
We should looking forward and respect us

[khmerpride]

I dont get your statement. I just asked a simple question between our 2 countries and why we tend to hate each other. You judge me without even knowing me. Its pretty disgraceful and pathetic.

This is the Way how some People find new Friends

[Suriin1234]

This is the Way how some People find new Friends

yup

[PongThep]

The main reason that make the problem and hatred between Thai-Cambodia now is politic .
Do u remember Pnom pehn riot that Cambodian protest destroy Thai shop and business in PnomPehn(after Hunsen provoke for his popularity in new election) in 2003 or even Preah vihear conflict between Hunsen and Democrat Party(Anti -Taksin) in 2009-2011?


If the main reason is history,the Burma must be the most hatred for Thai because they destroy our old capital.
But in the truth, Burma is not the hated country for Thai .Many Thai like Burma and many Burmese (around 1-2 millions peoples are working in Thailand )now .
It's because we don't have the politic problem like Thai-Cambodia.
And if you walk in Bangkok ,you will see many Cambodian beggars(never seen from Laos or Burma) ,it also make the bad perception of Cambodian for Thais.

Lol, it;s always other peoples fault. Let's be real, if it wasn't for thai bull$hiting to the world bout their make belief claims in southeast asia then thailand would be left alone, instead, Burmese, Khmer, Lao and Malay hate their guts. Thai like to make up fairy tales all propagated by Chinese Thai.

This post has been edited by PongThep: Jan 29 2012, 06:22 PM

[Leeporter]

Yes unfortunately.
But it makes me realy happy that there are some Thai People like you.
I think that there is just a small group of Thais and Cambodians that hate each other.
I'm sure that the most Khmer and Thais don't hate each other.
We should looking forward and respect us

Well, tell you the truth, I don't hate Khmer at all.

I just feel pity for them to live in fantasy world created by the French.

It was the French who made your Khmer people hating Siam.

Thai people never hate Khmers as a whole (of course, we hate Hun Sen )

We hate the French colonists.

Imagine if the French took today southern Thailand and created a country called "Srivijaya" and separate the history of southern Thailand from those of Siam and make southern Thailand to hate the rest of Thailand.

That was what they did to Cambodia. They are separatists.

Cambodia was part of Siam, they share the same history until the French came.

I went to Museum Siam the other day and I've learned that the new history of Siam as accepted by scholars today started at Ayudhaya, not Sukhothai like in the old theory.

Why?

Sukhothai never been the capital of Siam.

The center of power was shifted from Yasodharapura to Ayudhaya, not from Sukhothai.

But since the French came and took the land, where Yasodharapura located, from Siam, the history of Siam can't be a complete one because part of the land belong to its history was taken into a new country called "Cambodia"

There was no link between the history of Ayudhaya and pre-Ayudhaya period because the land was chopped into 2-3 parts (Thailand, Laos, Cambodia) and history of each "country" was made by the French.

Ask yourself when Cambodian court requested fro protection from the French, was it the desire of people in Cambodia?

No! They didn't have any clue what the country Cambodia was. People on street didn't care wheter they are in Cambodia or Siam, because in their head, there was no Cambodia and Siam. They were under the same land which has center at Bangkok.

It was the ruler of Cambodia who want to separate the land, not Khmer people in Cambodia.

It may be hard for you to understand this because your head now has the borderline drawn already.

But before the French came, they were the same people. There was no Khme Empire, there was no Angkor.

According to the Chinese record, there were Funan, Chenla, Srivijaya, Davaravati, Lavo and Siam.

They were the same thing, shared the same history, until the French came.

BTW, have you wonder why you never hate the French for their occupation?

Because you were brainwashed to believe that they came here to protect you from extinction!

[Suriin1234]

Well, tell you the truth, I don't hate Khmer at all.

I just feel pity for them to live in fantasy world created by the French.

It was the French who made your Khmer people hating Siam.

Thai people never hate Khmers as a whole (of course, we hate Hun Sen )

We hate the French colonists.

Imagine if the French took today southern Thailand and created a country called "Srivijaya" and separate the history of southern Thailand from those of Siam and make southern Thailand to hate the rest of Thailand.

That was what they did to Cambodia. They are separatists.

Cambodia was part of Siam, they share the same history until the French came.

I went to Museum Siam the other day and I've learned that the new history of Siam as accepted by scholars today started at Ayudhaya, not Sukhothai like in the old theory.

Why?

Sukhothai never been the capital of Siam.

The center of power was shifted from Yasodharapura to Ayudhaya, not from Sukhothai.

But since the French came and took the land, where Yasodharapura located, from Siam, the history of Siam can't be a complete one because part of the land belong to its history was taken into a new country called "Cambodia"

There was no link between the history of Ayudhaya and pre-Ayudhaya period because the land was chopped into 2-3 parts (Thailand, Laos, Cambodia) and history of each "country" was made by the French.

Ask yourself when Cambodian court requested fro protection from the French, was it the desire of people in Cambodia?

No! They didn't have any clue what the country Cambodia was. People on street didn't care wheter they are in Cambodia or Siam, because in their head, there was no Cambodia and Siam. They were under the same land which has center at Bangkok.

It was the ruler of Cambodia who want to separate the land, not Khmer people in Cambodia.

It may be hard for you to understand this because your head now has the borderline drawn already.

But before the French came, they were the same people. There was no Khme Empire, there was no Angkor.

According to the Chinese record, there were Funan, Chenla, Srivijaya, Davaravati, Lavo and Siam.

They were the same thing, shared the same history, until the French came.

BTW, have you wonder why you never hate the French for their occupation?

Because you were brainwashed to believe that they came here to protect you from extinction!

Why didn't Thailand fight to keep the land then? I mean after japan left they had a chance.

[Leeporter]

Why didn't Thailand fight to keep the land then? I mean after japan left they had a chance.

The French had better army and they knew how the system work, while Siam didn't.

The whole thing was judge by the western rule.

They came and took Vietnam, Burma, Malaysia, Laos using their own rule.

Did they ask Cambodian people before splitting the land?

[KhmerBoi]

The main reason that make the problem and hatred between Thai-Cambodia now is politic .
Do u remember Pnom pehn riot that Cambodian protest destroy Thai shop and business in PnomPehn(after Hunsen provoke for his popularity in new election) in 2003 or even Preah vihear conflict between Hunsen and Democrat Party(Anti -Taksin) in 2009-2011?


If the main reason is history,the Burma must be the most hatred for Thai because they destroy our old capital.
But in the truth, Burma is not the hated country for Thai .Many Thai like Burma and many Burmese (around 1-2 millions peoples are working in Thailand )now .
It's because we don't have the politic problem like Thai-Cambodia.
And if you walk in Bangkok ,you will see many Cambodian beggars(never seen from Laos or Burma) ,it also make the bad perception of Cambodian for Thais.

You are right in some point...

This is you see from Cambodia..
What Thai base:

1, Cambodian Migration illegally to Thailand to works and cut trees
2, Cambodian beger in Bangkok
3, History (Known Khmer as disgreatful people, Khmer were slave during Angkor Empire)
4, National stereotype (Black Khmer, lower class....)
5, Cambodian burned their embassy and Thai business in Phnom Penh, Hun Sen support Taksin, and Preah Vihear dispute.

So I think Thai people make a big miss understanding about the situation of Cambodia.

1, Poor low education Cambodian was hire by those Business people (Thai-Cambodian) to do that work with provided low income and high rise!!

2, Most Cambodia beger was like a group lead by (Thai-Cambodia) who used them for earn their own profit.
3, Miss lead Thai history again Cambodia.. King Neurea cut Khmer king head to wast his feet which cause by Khmer who bit on the back when Siam's King battle with Burma.. in fact is that the fault history of Thailand... Khmer actually help Siam to kick Burmese out, with the agreement with Siam will never abuse more Khmer territory.. and King Neurea have kills Khmer king because Khmer king was escape to Laos.. and it have also mention in Lao history, and Burmese History as well.
Thai people say they was threaten by France and they had loss their territory.
Thai never learn how Khmer think about it... when there are two big countries tearing Cambodia for their own advantage..
Thai think Khmer was brainwash by France who draw the borderline and divided Thailand and Cambodia while Cambodia never consider them self part of Thailand even once!

4, Thailand national stereotype discriminate Khmer and Khmer national stereotype discriminate Thai

5, Cambodian have known that Siem always want to take more Cambodia land and they think they own Angkor Wat.
According to the history Siem is the invader who sacked Angkor Wat three times and many other city included the big lost of Longvek. which Siam have took more intellectual and importance document to Krung Tep.. (Legend the story of losing Preah Ko Preah Keo) and also base on Pongsavada Khmer (the History of Cambodia).. I think it normally when we hear taht anyone want to claim what belong to you they actually very angry... and the Burn of the Embassy is not all Cambodian fault is the Political agenda cause by some group and do by some group.. I am sure most Cambodian hate war (we suffer too much war especially the Khmer Rough) but they love their country too.. so war is always the last solution. like the Preah Vihear Temple, is actually is not from Cambodia but it your Thai people its self who make it become problem that it bring some group of people in Cambodia took advantage from that!!!

so my included is all the problems all level whcih cause between the two country is because of some group of people... my question is why education people who can used these internet and debate on AF never want to see fact but full of nationalism.. seeking for truth about history of Khmer empire just to make them look more good.. SOme of those actually a real sick of Thailand's desea..

Actually they put their self under politically agenda.. I am not part of any government.. but I am here represent of ordinary people.. and want to see the root of the problem.. which actually cause by one small group of the two countries..

I think Thai-Cambodia like we are presented here should work together.. to make both our people understand each other well...

and I understand why you say Thai don't hate Burmese when they burn Sokhothai, and I can also say Why Khmer don't Hate Thai while Thai sack Angkor three time, as well as burning Long Vek, supported Khmer Rough....
But don't forget that in the history Thai consider Burmese as enemy number one!

This post has been edited by KhmerBoi: Jan 29 2012, 10:40 PM

[Leeporter]

So I think Thai people make a big miss understanding about the situation of Cambodia.

1, Poor low education Cambodian was hire by those Business people (Thai-Cambodian) to do that work with provided low income and high rise!!

Everybody know that. Is that new?

2, Most Cambodia beger was like a group lead by (Thai-Cambodia) who used them for earn their own profit.

Everybody know that. Is that new?

Thai people say they was threaten by France and they had loss their territory.
Thai never learn how Khmer think about it... when there are two big countries tearing Cambodia for their own advantage..

KhmerBoi, you are mixing up today Cambodia with Cambodians in the colonial period.

It was the king of Khmer who want to separate the land from Siam, it was not what normal people in Cambodia wanted.

What you feel today and what Khmers in those days felt are much different.

Yours is based on borderline and country concept, while thiers didn't have such concept in their head.

It's all the desire of Khmer king who want to have his power over his own land, not the Khmer people!!!!

Do you understand this?

Thai think Khmer was brainwash by France who draw the borderline and divided Thailand and Cambodia while Cambodia never consider them self part of Thailand even once!

See above, you are mixing up what in your head now and what people in those days think.

You was born and raised in the world when the borderline and the identity of a country called "Cambodia" were well established. It's much different from those in pre-colonial period, KhmerBoi.

4, Thailand national stereotype discriminate Khmer and Khmer national stereotype discriminate Thai

What's new?

5, Cambodian have known that Siem always want to take more Cambodia land

Wrong. No Siam people want to take any land back from Cambodia. We lost it and we lost it, ok?
No one really want Thai army to march to Cambodia to take the land back.
That's what Hun Sen told you.

and they think they own Angkor Wat.

It belonged to Siam before.

According to the history Siem is the invader who sacked Angkor Wat three times and many other city included the big lost of Longvek.

That's the war to shift the center of power, not the invading.

[KhmerBoi]

Everybody know that. Is that new?



Everybody know that. Is that new?



KhmerBoi, you are mixing up today Cambodia with Cambodians in the colonial period.

It was the king of Khmer who want to separate the land from Siam, it was not what normal people in Cambodia wanted.

What you feel today and what Khmers in those days felt are much different.

Yours is based on borderline and country concept, while thiers didn't have such concept in their head.

It's all the desire of Khmer king who want to have his power over his own land, not the Khmer people!!!!

Do you understand this?



See above, you are mixing up what in your head now and what people in those days think.

You was born and raised in the world when the borderline and the identity of a country called "Cambodia" were well established. It's much different from those in pre-colonial period, KhmerBoi.




What's new?



Wrong. No Siam people want to take any land back from Cambodia. We lost it and we lost it, ok?
No one really want Thai army to march to Cambodia to take the land back.
That's what Hun Sen told you.



It belonged to Siam before.



That's the war to shift the center of power, not the invading.

If I am wrong how you think you are right?

I am not mix Cambodia right now and in the past!! But you Thai who mix them up!!

But the world know that you want to take Cambodia land!! it broadcasting World wide it was said by Yellow Shirt and so I included You because they are the same type like you!!!!!!

This post has been edited by KhmerBoi: Jan 30 2012, 12:10 AM

[LoveIsAllAround]

An idiot still love to accuse Thai for their Khmer Rouge heritage

Who support Khmer Rouge?

Khmers cheering the Khmer rouge as they captured Phnom Penh




King Sihanouk initially allied himself with the Khmer Rouge movement. This now infamous picture shows him with Khieu Samphan, a key Khmer Rouge leader.

[KhmerBoi]

An idiot still love to accuse Thai for their Khmer Rouge heritage

The world known it.. and you can't lie!!!

[LoveIsAllAround]

.

This post has been edited by LoveIsAllAround: Feb 1 2012, 09:01 PM