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[LoveIsAllAround]

I am also sure that SEAhistory has found something that contradicts to his previous belief, but he hid it from us.

For example, I think he realized now that in 961 A.D Srivijaya was changed to Siam-Lavo, not Malayu.

They are checkmated. LMAO!

[LoveIsAllAround]

Again, you are not very smart. Maybe it's due to geographical factors? have you looked where they live and where Pya Yat recruited his army?? very shortsighted you are, aren't you?

How could Pya Yat, an exiled Siamese prince recruit Khmers to be his army? And his Khmer army was so small so he had to recruit more manpower from Chong and Pear. Is it possible?

It should be his army was actually Siamese. and Khmer were actually those Chong and Pear men.

[LoveIsAllAround]

Damn, this is real surprised!!!

Siamese is actually those Angkorean, the KHOM, they spoke Siamese, the Angkorean langauge.

Khmer is actually Chong+Champ+other tribal AA+Autronesians. Khmer adopted Siamese language which is now called Khmer. Khmer ethnic never exist, but just a name to call those mixed tribals.

Thai Ayutthaya are descent of Siamese and Tai Yonok, they are more and more Thai than Siamese. That's they reason they forget about Siamese, the Khom!!!

Welcome to the real history.

[KhmerBoi]

Damn, this is real surprised!!!

Siamese is actually those Angkorean, the KHOM, they spoke Siamese, the Angkorean langauge.

Khmer is actually Chong+Champ+other tribal AA+Autronesians. Khmer adopted Siamese language which is now called Khmer. Khmer ethnic never exist, but just a name to call those mixed tribals.

Thai Ayutthaya are descent of Siamese and Tai Yonok, they are more and more Thai than Siamese. That's they reason they forget about Siamese, the Khom!!!

Welcome to the real history.

So the Siamese is the AA? and are you sure Thai and Siamese are separate race?

[chadwarden]

why is there no need to rush? id go do it right now. Think of all the international support since everyone already loves thailand for its whores and wonderful nightlife. If you guys claim angkor then thailand is the ultimate in southeast asia you can fight vietnam for dominance.

creation myth of the tais. wow going on a myth to claim stuff. i mean really guys you have 0 credible evidence. your research isnt mainstream its grasping at straws. you pick this and that twist some words and discredit another country because they did more research than you guys? you guys havent done any personal research or physical research aka going to these sites looking at the inscriptions monuments migrations paths etc at all you take others theories that go against khmer or in your mind it does and twist it to fit Thailands view.

ive shown multiple articles that you guys only read part of it and then tried to use it to your advantage. i have disproven them all just by reading further down on the page. i mean its really hilarious.

il maintain that just because you guys find some "fact" as you say and then piece together your word morphing and guessing meanings of 1500+ year old material doesnt make it a credible theory. im sorry it just doesnt work that way. your guess of what some guy saying sien lieou is is no more credible then my guess of what another guy calls it as malayu. they both cancel out im not seeing how yours is better just because it sounds like it more lol. again if you guys knew english which i know you guys suck in english you would know false cognates exist all the time.

Its your job to find credible stuff to be against us. its not my job to find credible stuff to be against you. Im not the one starting the arguements here its the thai trolls like you guys.

Your hesitance to go public instead of lurking on the internet shows 1 laziness 2 u know your wrong 3 you are stupid. so pick one. dont just say in due time. lets go get this research out already to people that actually matter not casual readers on a forum ..

[KhmerBoi]

If you are referring to the people of Cambodia being called siamese, no one claims that lol we are proving that the rulers and culture practiced by these people come from Siam.

But anyway, Spanish founded mexico (taking it from the Aztecs. Mayans are south of mexico in the region of Peru) they forced the populace to practice spanish culture. oh and they are known as HISPANIC not spaniards lol but either way it points to being spanish culture. They dont call themselves Aztecs anymore! why? because they are now Hispanic lol

As for calling them Indians... THEY AREN'T INDIANS! the word term Indian has been used wrongly for centuries because Columbus though he was in India!! you bring a great example of how stupid westerners can be when dealing with a subject they are not familiar with. And because they have been called Indian for so long, everyone uses it and thinks its a correct term to use. Kind of like Khmer empire don't you think? lol

Khmer empire has been coined for 200 years. Everyone believes its a Khmer empire. Why is there so much evidence to contradict this? the original people who found the site never thought it was a Khmer empire. Actually no one prior to the French arrival believed in a Khmer empire lol the term Khmer empire was coined by the french and reused time and again until everyone believes it is true.

But tell me. What is a Khmer, where did it come from, and when did it appear in history?

Cambodia always come from the Kambujadesa okay? it's kep changing until become Kampuchea.. there is nothing weir in our language.. it is really normal! I guess in every language is the same!

Khmer is the people of Kampuchea the people who rule this country! Khmer come from the word Mee which mean Mother! the people of Angkor also respected to the woman and give the power to woman (Zhu da Guan, and Angkor inscription also mention about it) and the more interesting is the language that we know as Khmer today is developed from the language of Angkor!

If I ask any Thai about your language!! why you speak Tai??? and stated from Sokothai you have Tai writing system???

Khmer language is using in Southern Vietnamese- the people who live in O keo (Funan international port) is Khmer people who live in Ba Phnom (Funan's capital)call them Khmer.. people who live around the ancient temple of Angkor call the them Khmer even it is in Thailand. So can you tell me how Khmer is not connected to this Empire???

What the France have done to Thai people of Khmer in Thailand?? why those people have a very strong culture which still so connected to the Khmer empire which other Thai from other ethnic don't have?

Why the baif-relief of Angkor pointing out that the people of Angkor is AA people and those people who call them Khmer who still have a very strong Empire culture in their daily activities!!!

So what Khmer call Woman? the answer is ស្រី​ Srey coming from Sri in Sanskrit mean supreme. (again, the word Khmer come form the word Mee meaning Mother and other meaning is supreme)

So what Thai call woman? the answer is ผู้หญิง Phoying coming from nothing!

what Khmer woman respond when you call her? the answer is "Jar" which is also use with the king! what man response when we call them "Bat" coming from the word Bati? in Sanskrit meaning under foot!

What Thai woman respond when you call her? the answer is Kha meaning Tribal? in Thai language! ^^

So let see who is more connected the empire when the excavation already point to the Khmer of AA people?

I think you Thai just pretend to be blind and ignorance here!

This post has been edited by KhmerBoi: Feb 26 2012, 11:06 PM

[SabaiSabai]

Damn, this is real surprised!!!

Siamese is actually those Angkorean, the KHOM, they spoke Siamese, the Angkorean langauge.

Khmer is actually Chong+Champ+other tribal AA+Autronesians. Khmer adopted Siamese language which is now called Khmer. Khmer ethnic never exist, but just a name to call those mixed tribals.

Thai Ayutthaya are descent of Siamese and Tai Yonok, they are more and more Thai than Siamese. That's they reason they forget about Siamese, the Khom!!!

Welcome to the real history.

Why so surprised? We came to this conclusion quite a while ago lol though it did go round and round for a bit but it came back as Ancient Siamese is Khom.

Though I finally got an answer to the all important question. What is Khmer, where does it come from, when did it appear in history.

What is Khmer - Khmer comes from the Ancient Tai word Kha Tdjae, an umbrella term used to call Austroasiatic hill and jungle tribes.

Technically, it is actually used correctly in a way, by the Khmers. This explains why they call EVERYONE Khmer. It is an adopted name that unified the people into 1 group. Hell being called Kha Tdjae (modern form Kha Mae)for hundreds of years the people were convinced they had to be Kha Tdjae since everyone seems to be calling them Kha Tdjae. Loss of separate identity and adopting a unified identity. After adopting this identity there is a complete loss in the knowledge of origin as the identity was an adopted identity which had no history (except in Tai legends, not their own).

This eventually led to the adopting of foreign creation myths to explain where they come from and why they were there. For example Khambu+Mera is an Indian legend.

Where did it come from - Austroasiatic Hunter gatherer groups that first migrated into SEA. These peoples chose to dwell in the jungles and mountains of the region because of a lack of agricultural knowledge. That or they were displaced by later arrivals such as the second arrivals the migrate into SEA the Phu Tai Dam (Black Tai).

When did it appear in history - The word "Kha" or "Kha Tdjae" is linked to the creation myth of the Tai. The name must have existed for a very long time. However the appearance of the name again during the period after the Taification of Siam points to which group of people they actually were. "Kha Tdjae" was a name used for the dark skinned slaves that came from the hill and jungle tribes of SEA.

After being ruled by the siamese for so long the Kha Tdjae (Khmer) adopted Siamese language, traditions, culture, art although keeping aspects of their own language and culture as well (Khmer animistic dark arts, language)

I think that about sums it up in short form lol

This post has been edited by SabaiSabai: Feb 26 2012, 11:08 PM

[SabaiSabai]

why is there no need to rush? id go do it right now. Think of all the international support since everyone already loves thailand for its whores and wonderful nightlife. If you guys claim angkor then thailand is the ultimate in southeast asia you can fight vietnam for dominance.

creation myth of the tais. wow going on a myth to claim stuff. i mean really guys you have 0 credible evidence. your research isnt mainstream its grasping at straws. you pick this and that twist some words and discredit another country because they did more research than you guys? you guys havent done any personal research or physical research aka going to these sites looking at the inscriptions monuments migrations paths etc at all you take others theories that go against khmer or in your mind it does and twist it to fit Thailands view.

ive shown multiple articles that you guys only read part of it and then tried to use it to your advantage. i have disproven them all just by reading further down on the page. i mean its really hilarious.

il maintain that just because you guys find some "fact" as you say and then piece together your word morphing and guessing meanings of 1500+ year old material doesnt make it a credible theory. im sorry it just doesnt work that way. your guess of what some guy saying sien lieou is is no more credible then my guess of what another guy calls it as malayu. they both cancel out im not seeing how yours is better just because it sounds like it more lol. again if you guys knew english which i know you guys suck in english you would know false cognates exist all the time.

Its your job to find credible stuff to be against us. its not my job to find credible stuff to be against you. Im not the one starting the arguements here its the thai trolls like you guys.

Your hesitance to go public instead of lurking on the internet shows 1 laziness 2 u know your wrong 3 you are stupid. so pick one. dont just say in due time. lets go get this research out already to people that actually matter not casual readers on a forum ..

Don't be stupid dumbass. Angkor Wat is just another tourist attraction to Thai people lol its not the be all and end all of civilisation lol not by a mile. Only idiots that treasure an abandoned city are you fools lol an abandoned city that you didn't even build!!!!

Actually you haven't disproven anything. You blindly ignore evidence without giving a reason as to why it cannot be. Your source about Sien Lieou as Maleyu is just ridiculous on so many grounds lol it is a wild theory. It is trying to connect a word to a place by forcing the word to fit. The word "Ma" and the word "Xia/Sie" in chinese are completely different and 100% cannot be mixed up. His basis on why it had to be Maleyu by name is the looses part of this paper.

We are finding credible stuff to disprove the fake Khmer empire lol it is YOUR job to prove to us these evidence is not credible lol you really don't have a clue how its done do you lol wake up Chad I think your falling behind in class lol Mainstream history is BS and we have time and again proved that it is BS. Now we are forming a new theory (Hence the name of the topic) as to what the real history actually is.

Just promise me you won't harm yourself when it does finally go into official circles ok Chad. Can you do that for me? I don't wan't sensitive Cambodian kids blood on my hands when They finally realise what they have been taught to believe for so long is all one big lie.

[SabaiSabai]

So the Siamese is the AA? and are you sure Thai and Siamese are separate race?

Thai and siamese is the same race dumbass. It is just a change in name not their genetic make up lol retard.

Siamese are AA+Tai understand? I dont know how to make it any simpler.

[KhmerBoi]

Don't be stupid dumbass. Angkor Wat is just another tourist attraction to Thai people lol its not the be all and end all of civilisation lol not by a mile. Only idiots that treasure an abandoned city are you fools lol an abandoned city that you didn't even build!!!!

Actually you haven't disproven anything. You blindly ignore evidence without giving a reason as to why it cannot be. Your source about Sien Lieou as Maleyu is just ridiculous on so many grounds lol it is a wild theory. It is trying to connect a word to a place by forcing the word to fit. The word "Ma" and the word "Xia/Sie" in chinese are completely different and 100% cannot be mixed up. His basis on why it had to be Maleyu by name is the looses part of this paper.

We are finding credible stuff to disprove the fake Khmer empire lol it is YOUR job to prove to us these evidence is not credible lol you really don't have a clue how its done do you lol wake up Chad I think your falling behind in class lol Mainstream history is BS and we have time and again proved that it is BS. Now we are forming a new theory (Hence the name of the topic) as to what the real history actually is.

Just promise me you won't harm yourself when it does finally go into official circles ok Chad. Can you do that for me? I don't wan't sensitive Cambodian kids blood on my hands when They finally realise what they have been taught to believe for so long is all one big lie.

I think it is a big job for you to keep your Thai kid believe in your fairy tale in this globalization.., to have to teach them to challenge this world base on your fairy tale... Believe me, there will be other war between Cambodia and Thailand in the future... be ready for that... and I's sure it will be stated from your stupid ignorance Thai nationalism generation.... and Let see what the world react! and when you all Thai realize about this foolest in the end a very extremely big broken society of Thailand will be I hope that Thai-Chinese will not in Power again and Red Thai (Thai Rough) genocide will not happen in Thailand!!! ^^

[KhmerBoi]

Thai and siamese is the same race dumbass. It is just a change in name not their genetic make up lol retard.

Siamese are AA+Tai understand? I dont know how to make it any simpler.

Yes! I would reward dumbass and retard from your to your friend "loveisallarround" who claim it difference! ^^

that the result of Thai Mentality Crisis!!

[KhmerBoi]

SabaiSabai- a Thai-English who work at at a hotel in London claiming Fake Khmer Empire... He act he is smart and more professional then any of all the hundred of scholars who devote their life for only the truth about the secret history in Angkor... I hope he will notes how stupid he is being here!

[SabaiSabai]

Cambodia always come from the Kambujadesa okay? it's kep changing until become Kampuchea.. there is nothing weir in our language.. it is really normal! I guess in every language is the same!

Khmer does not = Kambujadesa. don't be stupid lol it is completely different thing. Only you idiot Khmer can get it confused.... or actually forcing to fit lol its very typical of your style now. I can see it clearly.

Khmer is the people of Kampuchea the people who rule this country! Khmer come from the word Mee which mean Mother! the people of Angkor also respected to the woman and give the power to woman (Zhu da Guan, and Angkor inscription also mention about it) and the more interesting is the language that we know as Khmer today is developed from the language of Angkor!

Khmer are the culmination of the AA tribes that were enslaved or were living in Kambujadesa. The only thing Angkorian about you guys is the labour work you were doing there lol Do you know how many tribes and peoples are matrilineal? ALOT. Siamese also gave much importance to women.. what is your point? that argument is so weak. Find another one lol Oh btw, your language is adopted its not hard to figure out. You speak a similar language to angkorians but its not the same lol old khmer and modern Khmer is worlds apart. Thai people can still read and understand the ancient script!!! lol so sad for your people.

If I ask any Thai about your language!! why you speak Tai??? and stated from Sokothai you have Tai writing system???

So what writing system were Khmers using before you took Angkorian writing system? im sure the language is many tens of thousands of years old. How come you only have script from that time? lol dumbass. Your people are far more dubious. You guys can't understand your own old script?!?!?! hell even english people can understand old english well enough

Khmer language is using in Southern Vietnamese- the people who live in O keo (Funan international port) is Khmer people who live in Ba Phnom (Funan's capital)call them Khmer.. people who live around the ancient temple of Angkor call the them Khmer even it is in Thailand. So can you tell me how Khmer is not connected to this Empire???

Khmer is the name used to call all the AA people of the region. They all speak AA language but its not all the same now is it? genius guy lol don't be stupid.

What the France have done to Thai people of Khmer in Thailand?? why those people have a very strong culture which still so connected to the Khmer empire which other Thai from other ethnic don't have?

They have strong cultural link because they were also slaves lol hello Kha Tdjae people

Why the baif-relief of Angkor pointing out that the people of Angkor is AA people and those people who call them Khmer who still have a very strong Empire culture in their daily activities!!!

The AA people in Angkor that you see in everyday life are the slaves!!!! wealthy people and average family have more than enough slaves to do ALL the work lol do you think they will have reliefs of the masters doing the labour work? lol Nobles were light skinned, Kha Tdjae dark skinned slaves. Khmer are what tone? put a Khmer girl in a darked out room for 10 years she still come out tanned!!!

So what Khmer call Woman? the answer is ស្រី​ Srey coming from Sri in Sanskrit mean supreme. (again, the word Khmer come form the word Mee meaning Mother and other meaning is supreme)

This is the perfect example of you people adopting a language and not understanding it lol its a repeated appearance in Khmer culture. Sri = Light. It does not = supreme lol your peoples knowledge of sanskrit is so fu-king poor. no offence. But even your official name for the sword of victory is "royal sword" do you see excalibur being called "Royal sword"? lol

So what Thai call woman? the answer is ผู้หญิง Phoying coming from nothing!

This is 1 of the many words for woman in thai. Actually it comes from Tai language dumbass lol comes form nothing lol Phu <---- people/person Ying<---- Female. Genius Khmer strikes again! lol

what Khmer woman respond when you call her? the answer is "Jar" which is also use with the king! what man response when we call them "Bat" coming from the word Bati? in Sanskrit meaning under foot!

funnily enough thai people use to use Jah and Jar in the country lol hell i still do lol but any way. once again your astounding knowledge of any subject you talk about amazes me lol so in cambodia a man says "hey man!" the other replies "foot" clowns lol

What Thai woman respond when you call her? the answer is Kha meaning Tribal? in Thai language! ^^

Thai is a tonal language genius khmer lol phonetically it spelt as Ka when women reply to be polite lol kha is a higher tone.

So let see who is more connected the empire when the excavation already point to the Khmer of AA people? what points to Khmer? which of the evidences that you people have come up with actually points to a Khmer people? the language you adopted but do not fully understand? the dance you adopted and not fully understand? the city you adopted but do not fully understand? lol

I think you Thai just pretend to be blind and ignorance here!

Thanks man you made my night lol your post has entertained me to no end lol

[SabaiSabai]

Yes! I would reward dumbass and retard from your to your friend "loveisallarround" who claim it difference! ^^

that the result of Thai Mentality Crisis!!

he is talking about ethnic identity not race lol retard boi lol go to school1!!

[LoveIsAllAround]

Why so surprised? We came to this conclusion quite a while ago lol though it did go round and round for a bit but it came back as Ancient Siamese is Khom.

Though I finally got an answer to the all important question. What is Khmer, where does it come from, when did it appear in history.

What is Khmer - Khmer comes from the Ancient Tai word Kha Tdjae, an umbrella term used to call Austroasiatic hill and jungle tribes.

Technically, it is actually used correctly in a way, by the Khmers. This explains why they call EVERYONE Khmer. It is an adopted name that unified the people into 1 group. Hell being called Kha Tdjae (modern form Kha Mae)for hundreds of years the people were convinced they had to be Kha Tdjae since everyone seems to be calling them Kha Tdjae. Loss of separate identity and adopting a unified identity. After adopting this identity there is a complete loss in the knowledge of origin as the identity was an adopted identity which had no history (except in Tai legends, not their own).

This eventually led to the adopting of foreign creation myths to explain where they come from and why they were there. For example Khambu+Mera is an Indian legend.

Where did it come from - Austroasiatic Hunter gatherer groups that first migrated into SEA. These peoples chose to dwell in the jungles and mountains of the region because of a lack of agricultural knowledge. That or they were displaced by later arrivals such as the second arrivals the migrate into SEA the Phu Tai Dam (Black Tai).

When did it appear in history - The word "Kha" or "Kha Tdjae" is linked to the creation myth of the Tai. The name must have existed for a very long time. However the appearance of the name again during the period after the Taification of Siam points to which group of people they actually were. "Kha Tdjae" was a name used for the dark skinned slaves that came from the hill and jungle tribes of SEA.

After being ruled by the siamese for so long the Kha Tdjae (Khmer) adopted Siamese language, traditions, culture, art although keeping aspects of their own language and culture as well (Khmer animistic dark arts, language)

I think that about sums it up in short form lol

quick response, right now. I am surprised becos the story of Pya Yat, the Siamese prince confirms our theory that Khmer are all Kha people.

It must thank SEAhistory for posting Vickery's work! LMAO!

[Leeporter]

OK. I just finished my first documentary in my LeeporterTube Channel. Not a very good one, but I think it's good enough for the time I have today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyRzFonw4G0

Please take a look and comments are welcomed.

Please feel free to share, repost, or use it to respond to any Youtube from Khmer members.

[LoveIsAllAround]

OK. I just finished my first documentary in my LeeporterTube Channel. Not a very good one, but I think it\'s good enough for the time I have today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyRzFonw4G0

Please take a look and comments are welcomed.

Please feel free to share, repost, or use it to respond to any Youtube from Khmer members.

wow! 10 THUMBS UP!!!

This will slap them to wake up from their fantasy KHmer Empire dream!!!

WELL DONE!!!

The clip is in my sig now. 555+

This post has been edited by LoveIsAllAround: Feb 27 2012, 05:47 AM

[Leeporter]

wow! 10 THUMBS UP!!!

This will slap them to wake up from their fantasy KHmer Empire dream!!!

WELL DONE!!!

The clip is in my sig now. 555+

he he .. Thank you. Please share in your Facebook and other social networks.

The world deserves to know the truth.

I am a newbie in VDO editing, there are a lots of mistake but I was too lazy to fix it.

Thanks again SEAhistory and Chad for your inspiration.

I will work on more documentaries and will keep you guys posted.



This post has been edited by Leeporter: Feb 27 2012, 07:05 AM

[SabaiSabai]

1,000,000 like LoL

I would love to see them wriggle out of that one lol

[SEAhistory]

Haha, what a joke. That you spend your time with that says your a total wacko.

But make a movie about how Angkor is actually Siamese ok? Please make a movie of the SEA hsitory beginning with Funan and Champa and explain the wordl how it's all Siamese! I would love to see peoples reaction.