China and japanese emperors, emperors related to the tribes of southern chinese Options

[kieshin]

As I just said before, it all because of genetics. All this because of o2a-o2b-o2 connection. o2b, which are found in Korean and o2a common in southeast asia especially Indonesia are siblings since they are both descendant of haplogroup o2. You can tell islandBrother is using the very same reason as other southeast asian to relate southeast asian with Japanese and Korean.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O2b_%28Y-DNA%29





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O2a_%28Y-DNA%29

As for the Han Chinese, they don't relate themselves with Han Chinese because they can't. Unlike the Korean, both northern Han Chinese and southern Han Chinese are o3 dominant, not o2 dominant group dominant.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O3_%28Y-DNA%29

It doesn't matter how you think Han Chinese look like, because it just your opinion, not fact. Looks/physical appearance is a subjective issue. By the way, Han Chinese in southeast asia do not mix with southeast asian natives. They are genetically the same and as pure as those Han Chinese in China.

By the way, you sound like a typical bitter asian guys that hate interracial marriage. Whatever the reason is, don't use Han Chinese physical appearances to justify your hatred.

so this is complete waste of time, but you gave me the link, did you read those link that you gave?
either u did not understand what you read (because you are dumb) or you have hidden motif

without further ado, I will paste the whole $hit here, unlike u which only pasted one sentence suited to ur agenda, I will paste the whole $hit!

Haplogroup O2a (Y-DNA)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Haplogroup O2a
Possible time of origin
Possible place of origin
Ancestor O2
Descendants O2a1, O2a2
Defining mutations M95

In genetics, Haplogroup O2a (M95) is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup.

Haplogroup O2a is a descendent branch of Haplogroup O2. Its closest extant phylogenetic relatives are the Haplogroup O2* Y-chromosomes found at a low frequency throughout most of East Eurasia and the Haplogroup O2b Y-chromosomes found at low frequencies among the indigenous populations of Inner Mongolia and Manchuria and at much higher frequencies in Korea and Japan.
[edit] Distribution

Haplogroup O2a is distributed widely in Asia, from southern India to the Altai Mountains and Central Asia in the west, and from Indonesia to northern China and Japan in the east. It is found only at marginally low frequencies of approximately 1% at the periphery of its distribution in southern India, Central Asia, northern China, and Japan, but many populations within the vast intervening territory in South Asia, Southeast Asia, and southern China display a greatly elevated frequency of Haplogroup O2a Y-chromosomes. Patrilines within Haplogroup O2a predominate among the Austro-Asiatic populations of South and Southeast Asia, such as the Khmer of Cambodia and the Khasi of Meghalaya in northeastern India. Some researchers have reported that slightly over half of all men in a composite sample of Austro-Asiatic speakers belonged to Haplogroup O2a. Haplogroup O3 (M122), which attains its peak frequency among the Sino-Tibetan and Hmong–Mien peoples of China and Southeast Asia, and Haplogroup O1a (M119), which predominates among Taiwanese aborigines and many populations of the Philippines, also generally occur among speakers of Austro-Asiatic languages in South China and the Indochinese Peninsula, but usually at much lower frequencies than Haplogroup O2a. The hypothesis that Haplogroup O2a was the major Y-chromosome haplogroup of the proto-Austro-Asiatic population is strengthened by the fact that Haplogroup O2a is the only haplogroup found among many Austro-Asiatic-speaking tribes, such as the Juang of mainland India and the Shompen of the Nicobar Islands.[1][2]

Haplogroup O2a also has been observed with high frequency in samples of Daic-speaking peoples of Thailand and neighboring areas, which may reflect assimilation of the older Austro-Asiatic Mon–Khmer populations that have left ample evidence of their presence in the region prior to the immigration of Daic speakers.

Outside of the region in which Austro-Asiatic languages are currently spoken or have a historically attested presence, Haplogroup O2a reaches its highest frequencies among the populations of the islands of Sumatra, Java, Bali, and Borneo in western and central Indonesia.[3] Haplogroup O2a has been found to be by far the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup among the Balinese, occurring in approximately 58.6% (323/551) of a sample of Balinese men; Haplogroup O1a-M119 and Haplogroup O3-M122, which are typical of Austronesian peoples outside of Malaysia and Indonesia, were observed in only 18.1% (100/551) and 6.9% (38/551) of Balinese men.[4] Haplogroup O2a has also been found to be the most frequently occurring haplogroup among Malay men in Singapore.[5] The reason for its substantial presence in these populations, all of which are Austronesian-speaking, is yet to be elucidated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O2a_%28Y-DNA%29

Haplogroup O2b (Y-DNA)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Haplogroup O2b
Possible time of origin 6,300 [95% CI 600–37,000] years ago[1]
Possible place of origin Manchuria or a nearby part of northern East Asia
Ancestor O2
Defining mutations M176/SRY465, P49, 022454
Highest frequencies Japanese 32%[2] (26%[3][4]-36%[1]), Koreans 30%[5] (19%[3][6]-40%[1]), Okinawans 23%[7] (22%[8]-23%[9]), Manchus 19%[10] (4%[11]-34%[1])

Haplogroup O2b (SRY465, a.k.a. M176) is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is a descendant haplogroup of Haplogroup O2. Haplogroup O2b is found mainly in the northernmost parts of East Asia, from the Uriankhai and Zakhchin peoples of western Mongolia[1] to the Japanese of Japan, though it also has been detected sporadically in the Buryats[3] and Udegeys[12] of southern Siberia, very rarely among populations of Southeast Asia (including Indonesia,[8][3] the Philippines,[3] Thailand,[3] and Vietnam[8][3]), and Micronesians].[8] This haplogroup is found with its highest frequency and diversity values among modern populations of Japan and Korea and is absent from most populations in China, but it has been detected in some samples of Han Chinese from Beijing[3] and Jiangsu,[13] Daurs,[14] Hezhes,[14] Koreans in China,[14][1] Manchus,[14][1][11] and Sibes.[14]
Subgroups

The phylogeography of Haplogroup O2b suggests an ancient origin in Manchuria or a nearby part of northern East Asia, followed by a long period of isolated evolution and population increase in the vicinity of the Korean Peninsula. Only branches of this haplogroup that are labeled as Haplogroup O2b*, i.e. those that do not exhibit the 47z mutation, have been detected among the indigenous populations of Inner Mongolia and northern Manchuria, and even then they are found only at very low frequencies. However, Haplogroup O2b* Y-chromosomes have been detected with high frequency in Korea, where they account for approximately 14%[3][4][14] to 33%[8] of the Korean male population.
Haplogroup O2b1
Possible time of origin 7,870 [95% CI 5,720–12,630] years ago[8]
Possible place of origin Korean Peninsula or Japanese Archipelago[3][8]
Ancestor O2b
Defining mutations 47z
Highest frequencies Japanese 24%[15] (19%[3]-25%[8][9]), Okinawans 17%[16] (11%[8]-20%[9]), Koreans 8%[17] (4%[8][11]-12%[14]), Manchus 7%[18] (0%[11][8][14]-19%[4])

A subclade of Haplogroup O2b, namely Haplogroup O2b1-47z, is found with high frequency among the Yamato people and Ryukyuan populations of Japan. Haplogroup O2b1 has been detected in approximately 22% of all males who speak a Japonic language, while it has not been found at all among a total of twenty Ainu males whose Y-DNA has been sampled in two genetic studies.[8][19] Based on the STR haplotype diversity within Haplogroup O2b1, it has been estimated that this haplogroup began to experience a population expansion among the proto-Japanese of approximately 4,000 years ago, which makes it a good candidate for a marker of the intrusion of a Neolithic population of the prehistoric Korean Peninsula into the southwestern parts of the Japanese Archipelago. However, the parent haplogroup, O2b*, is also found among Japanese, although at a relatively low frequency of approximately 4%[14] to 8%[9], and the descendant haplogroup O2b1 is found only with low frequency among samples of modern Koreans, which suggests the possibility that Haplogroup O2b* might have colonized the Japanese Archipelago much earlier, with the subgroup O2b1 subsequently evolving within the proto-Japanese-Ryukyuan population of the western parts of the archipelago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O2b_%28Y-DNA%29

Haplogroup O3 (Y-DNA)
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This article's lead section may not adequately summarize its contents. Please consider expanding the lead to provide an accessible overview of the article's key points. (May 2008)
Haplogroup O3
Possible time of origin 10,000[1] to 30,000[2] years ago
Possible place of origin China[1] or Southeast Asia[2]
Ancestor O
Defining mutations M122
Highest frequencies Derung 100%,[2] Nishi 94%,[3] Adi 89%,[3] Tamang 87%,[4] Achang 82.5%,[2] Apatani 82%,[3] Naga 76%,[3] Nu 70%[2]-86%,[5] She 63%[6]-74%,[7] Bai 48%[2][5]-82%,[2] Yao 34%[7]-83%,[7] Miao 44%[2]-70%,[6] Han 30%[8]-74%,[9] Garo 55%[10]-59%,[11] Tujia 53%[6]-54%,[2] Filipinos 33%[12]-62%,[13] Va 48%,[2] Lisu 47%[2]-65%,[5] Shui 20%[14]-70%,[2] Hezhe 44%,[7] Vietnamese 39%[13]-41%,[6] Manchu 38%[6]-43%,[15] Koreans 32%[15]-47%,[16] Lahu 36%[5]-43%,[2] Qiang 36%,[7] Western Yugur 35%,[17] Tibetans 32%[5] [10%[17]-45%[5]], Eastern Yugur 31%,[17] Salar 30%,[18] Khasi 29%[10]-32%,[11] Malaysians 31%,[6] Yi 29% [20%-44%],[5] Bonan 28%,[18] Hani 18%[7]-47%,[5] Hui/Dungans 17%[7][19]-40%,[20] Polynesians 25%[12][21]-32.5%,[22] Sibe 27%,[7] Daur 26%,[7] Thai 16%,[13]-35%[2][23] Dongxiang 24%,[18] Manchurian Evenks 23%[7]-24%,[6] Mosuo 23%,[24] Micronesians 18%[12]-27%,[22] Zhuang 16%[6]-29%,[22] Dai 22% [3%-40%],[25] Blang 21%,[2] Newar 21%,[4] Japanese 16%[15]-23%,[7] Okinawans 16%[12]-21%,[26] Buyei 4%[25]-31%,[7] Cambodians 14%[2]-22%,[27] Mongolians 8%[20]-23%[12]

In human genetics, Haplogroup O3 (M122) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup.
Contents
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1 Origins
2 Distribution
3 See also
4 References
5 External links

[edit] Origins

Haplogroup O3 is a descendant haplogroup of haplogroup O. Some researchers believe that it first appeared in China approximately 10,000 years ago[1], while others believe it to have had an origin in Southeast Asia approximately 25,000-30,000 years ago.[2] The prehistoric peopling of East Asia by modern humans remains controversial with respect to early population migrations. In a systematic sampling and genetic screening of an East Asian–specific Y-chromosome haplogroup (O3-M122) in 2,332 individuals from diverse East Asian populations, results indicate that the O3-M122 lineage is dominant in East Asian populations, with an average frequency of 44.3%. Microsatellite data show that the O3 haplotypes are more diverse in Southeast Asia than those in northern East Asia.[2] This suggests a southern origin of the O3-M122 mutation to be likely.
[edit] Distribution

Although Haplogroup O3 appears to be primarily associated with Chinese populations, it also forms a significant component of the Y-chromosome diversity of most modern populations of the East Asian region. Haplogroup O3 is found in over 50% of all modern Chinese males (with frequency ranging from 30/101 = 29.7% among Pinghua-speaking Hans in Guangxi[8] to 110/148 = 74.3% among Hans in Changting, Fujian[9]), about 40% of Manchu, Korean, and Vietnamese males, about 33.3%[12] to 62%[13][28] of Filipino males, about 10.5%[22] to 55.6%[22] of Malaysian males, about 10% (4/39 Guide County, Qinghai)[17] to 45% (22/49 Zhongdian County, Yunnan)[5] of Tibetan males, about 20% (10/50 Shuangbai, northern Yunnan)[24] to 44% (8/18 Xishuangbanna, southern Yunnan)[5][6] of Yi males, about 25% of Zhuang[29] and Indonesian[30] males, and about 16%[15][31] to 20%[12] of Japanese males. The distribution of Haplogroup O3 stretches far into Central Asia (approx. 40% of Dungans,[20] 30% of Salars,[18] 28% of Bonan,[18] 24% of Dongxiang,[18] 18% to 22.8%[12] of Mongolians, 12% of Uyghurs,[20] 9% of Kazakhs,[20] 6.2% of Altayans,[32] and 4.1% of Uzbeks[20]) and Oceania (approx. 25%[12] to 32.5%[22] of Polynesians, 18%[12] to 27.4%[22] of Micronesians, and 5% of Melanesians[33]), albeit with reduced frequencies of most subclades. It should be noted that Haplogroup O3* Y-chromosomes, which are not defined by any identified downstream markers, are actually more common among certain non-Han Chinese populations than among Han Chinese ones, and the presence of these O3* Y-chromosomes among various populations of Central Asia, East Asia, and Oceania is more likely to reflect a very ancient shared ancestry of these populations rather than the result of any historical events. It remains to be seen whether Haplogroup O3* Y-chromosomes can be parsed into distinct subclades that display significant geographical or ethnic correlations.

Haplogroup O3 is also found very frequently among populations of Northeast India (Garo 42/71 = 59.2%,[11] Khasi 112/353 = 31.7%[11]) and Nepal (Tamang 39/45 = 86.7%, Newar 14/66 = 21.2%, general population of Kathmandu 16/77 = 20.8%).[4]

Among all the populations of East and Southeast Asia, Haplogroup O3 is most closely associated with those that speak a Sinitic, Tibeto-Burman, or Hmong–Mien language. Haplogroup O3 comprises about 50% or more of the total Y-chromosome variation among the populations of each of these language families. The Sinitic and Tibeto-Burman language families are generally believed to be derived from a common Sino-Tibetan protolanguage, and most linguists place the homeland of the Sino-Tibetan language family somewhere in northern China. The Hmong–Mien languages and cultures, for various archaeological and ethnohistorical reasons, are also generally believed to have derived from a source somewhere north of their current distribution, perhaps in northern or central China. The Tibetans, however, despite the fact that they speak a language of the Tibeto-Burman language family, have high percentages of the otherwise rare haplogroups D1 and D3, which are also found at much lower frequencies among the members of some other ethnic groups in East Asia and Central Asia.

Haplogroup O3 has been implicated as a diagnostic genetic marker

of the Austronesian expansion when it is found in populations of Oceania. Its distribution in Oceania is mostly limited to the traditionally Austronesian culture zones, including moderately high frequencies in the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Polynesia, with generally lower frequencies found in coastal and island Melanesia, Micronesia, and Taiwanese aboriginal tribes.

The subgroup O3a5-M134 is particularly closely associated with Sino-Tibetan populations, and it is generally not found outside of areas where a Sino-Tibetan language is currently spoken or that are historically supposed to have undergone Chinese colonization or immigration, such as Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Indonesia. However, its presence among non-Sino-Tibetan populations is always very limited and never amounts to more than 10% of the total Y-chromosome diversity. There are also reports that Y-chromosomes belonging to Haplogroup O3a5 have been sampled from populations of such far-flung places as Western Samoa. Surprisingly, Haplogroup O3a5-M134 Y-chromosomes have also been found in about 1% to 3% of indigenous Australian men in the northwest of that continent, which might indicate that a certain degree of contact has occurred between the Austronesian expansion from Asia and some indigenous Australian populations. The fact that Haplogroup O3a5 is so strongly associated with Chinese populations, however, and the fact that no Y-chromosome haplogroups characteristic of Austronesian populations have been found among these indigenous Australian populations may be taken to suggest the possibility of some direct Chinese-Australian contact in the precolonial era. Within Japan, the subgroup O3a5-M134 forms the majority of the haplogroup O3 Y-chromosomes detected.

Haplogroup O3's brother clade, Haplogroup O1, displays a similar geographical distribution, being found among nearly all the populations of East and Southeast Asia, but generally at a frequency much lower than that of Haplogroup O3. Another brother clade, Haplogroup O2, has an impressive extent of dispersal, as it is found among the males of populations as widely separated as the Kolarians of India and the Japanese of Japan; however, Haplogroup O2's distribution is much more patchy, and the Haplogroup O2 Y-chromosomes found among the Mundas and the Japanese belong to distinct subclades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O3_%28Y-DNA%29
Conclusion:

O2 spread all over asian pop
O2b origin from manchuria! so if u want to relate korean with southeas asian DONT LEAVE OUT MANCHU AND MONGOLS! OK! predominantly among northeastern
O2a predominantly among SEA
O3 origin: most likely SEA, highest found among Sino-Tibetan, Hmong–Mien peoples of China and Southeast Asia, spread to china and to southeast asian males pop.

It doesn't matter how you think Han Chinese look like, because it just your opinion, not fact. Looks/physical appearance is a subjective issue. By the way, Han Chinese in southeast asia do not mix with southeast asian natives. They are genetically the same and as pure as those Han Chinese in China.

it is not only a fact, but it is common sense, u can tell KOREAN and SEA apart MOST LIKELY YOU WILL BE, korean can overlap with SEA but less likely,
han chinese almost 1 billion ppl, han chinese can look korean, japanese, SEA, etc. or a mixture of all them.

look at those genetic research han chinese genes are veried, from O2a to O2b to O3 can be found among chinese, just to remind you O3 most likely originated from SOUTHEAST ASIA (according to your wikipedia) because highest diversified among SEA population


the chinese mixing with the SEA a lot how do i know? , I LIVE THERE idiot! these ppl are my friends and families LOL
even a lot of chinese in SEA have european ancestry n later they are mixing with SEA, the same pattern u'll find in filipine, thailand, indonesia, singapore...etc...go to all these countries live there, n u will see!! those datuk mak cik n pak cik in malaysia have chinese names, go out, buy a ticket travel around, or READ MORE MORE....even if u are idiot cant understand wht u read, but keep reading, finally u'll get it!

why do everyone claim they are connected with korean from the turk to SEA why? is it bcz korean are pretty?, do they want to claim it was their genes that make the korean look like that? lol

the turk called them altaic blood brother LOL, SEA call them what? their young brother?, the TURK AND THE SEA SOMEHOW CONNECTED THRU KOREAN LOL!!!! how so?
fact is in ancient times the chinese mixing with the turk, arabs, persians, europeans, sea, tibetans, mongolians, etc.....they are all contributed to how han chinese are today
while the korean are homogenous for thousand of years
but look at the two generations today....
korean ancestor must have DONE SOMETHING RIGHT, while our chinese ancestor must have screwed us up! but i'm happy pls do not associate ur own kind with us, but live up to ur word dont be like vietnamese ho chi minh

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 11 2011, 06:17 AM

[Rayzor]

so this is complete waste of time, but you gave me the link, did you read those link that you gave?
either u did not understand what you read (because you are dumb) or you have hidden motif

without further ado, I will paste the whole $hit here, unlike u which only pasted one sentence suited to ur agenda, I will paste the whole $hit!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O2a_%28Y-DNA%29


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O2b_%28Y-DNA%29





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O3_%28Y-DNA%29
Conclusion:

O2 spread all over asian pop
O2b origin from manchuria! so if u want to relate korean with southeas asian DONT LEAVE OUT MANCHU AND MONGOLS! OK! predominantly among northeastern
O2a predominantly among SEA
O3 origin: most likely SEA, highest found among sino tibetan, spread to china and to southeast asian males pop.





it is not only a fact, but it is common sense, u can tell KOREAN and SEA apart MOST LIKELY YOU WILL BE, korean can overlap with SEA but less likely,
han chinese almost 1 billion ppl, han chinese can look korean, japanese, SEA, etc. or a mixture of all them.

look at those genetic research han chinese genes are veried, from O2a to O2b to O3 can be found among chinese, just to remind you O3 most likely originated from SOUTHEAST ASIA (according to your wikipedia) because highest diversified among SEA population


the chinese mixing with the SEA a lot how do i know? , I LIVE THERE idiot! these ppl are my friends and families LOL
even a lot of chinese in SEA have european ancestry n later they are mixing with SEA, the same pattern u'll find in filipine, thailand, indonesia, singapore...etc...go to all these countries live there, n u will see!! those datuk mak cik n pak cik in malaysia have chinese names, go out, buy a ticket travel around, or READ MORE MORE....even if u are idiot cant understand wht u read, but keep reading, finally u'll get it!

why do everyone claim they are connected with korean from the turk to SEA why? is it bcz korean are pretty?, do they want to claim it was their genes that make the korean look like that? lol

the turk called them altaic blood brother LOL, SEA call them what? their young brother?, the TURK AND THE SEA SOMEHOW CONNECTED THRU KOREAN LOL!!!! how so?
fact is in ancient times the chinese mixing with the turk, arabs, persians, europeans, sea, tibetans, mongolians, etc.....they are all contributed to how han chinese are today
while the korean are homogenous for thousand of years
but look at the two generations today....
korean ancestor must have DONE SOMETHING RIGHT, while our chinese ancestor must have screwed us up!

Did you even read what I said? I said o2a-o2b are both descendant of o2. In other words, they are both evolve form o2. o2a and o2b are brother and sister. That is why southeast asian relate themselves with Korean. I leave out Manchu because you are asking why southeast asian want to relate themselves with Korean. Doesn't matter where o3 came from because it clearly said there o3 are primarily associated with han Chinese. Just like how o2b are associated with Korean. Also, which part of southeast asia you live?

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 11 2011, 06:13 AM

[kieshin]

Did you even read what I said? I said o2a-o2b are both descendant of o2. In other words, they are both evolve form o2. o2a and o2b are brother and sister. That is why southeast asian relate themselves with Korean. I leave out Manchu because you are asking why southeast asian want to relate themselves with Korean. Doesn't matter where o3 came from because it clearly said there o3 are primarily associated with han Chinese. Just like how o2b are associated with Korean. Also, which part of southeast asia you live?

primarly associated with han chinese u know why they call it that way even its origin from SEA, it is found highest freq among sea n Chinese population? because chinese make up 1.3 billion ppl ..... idiot! it only beause of the NUMBER, nothing to do with closeness or connections compare to thailand, malaysia, indonesia, filipines combined they are less than 500 mill people

O3 is SEA origin! found highest freq among chinese, SEA and sino tibetan.

while O2b is MANCHU, MONGOLS ORIGIN!
rarely found among SEA!!!

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 11 2011, 06:25 AM

[Rayzor]

primarly associated with han chinese u know why they call it that way even its origin from SEA, it is found highest freq among sea n Chinese population? because han chinese make up 1.3 billion ppl ..... idiot!

O3 is SEA origin!

while O2b is MANCHU, MONGOLS ORIGIN!
rarely found among SEA!!!

You clearly did not read everything.

This suggests a southern origin of the O3-M122 mutation to be likely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O3_%28Y-DNA%29

Did you see they use the word likely? It because it just a hypothesis that they are not confirmed yet. That is why I don't bring this up. It said it found highest freq among Chinese because each Chinese are o3 dominant, not because there make up 1,3 billion. It similar to the way o2b are associated with korean because it found highest frequency among each Korean individual. By the way, you still haven't answer my question. Which southeast asia you come from?

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 11 2011, 06:26 AM

[kieshin]

You clearly did not read everything.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O3_%28Y-DNA%29

Did you see they use the word likely? It because it just a hypothesis that they are not confirmed yet. That is why i don't bring this up. It said it found highest freq among Chinese because each Chinese are o3 dominant, not because there make up 1,3 billion. By the way, you still haven't answer my question. Which southeast asia you come from?

Haplogroup O3 has been implicated as a diagnostic genetic marker

of the Austronesian expansion when it is found in populations of Oceania. Its distribution in Oceania is mostly limited to the traditionally Austronesian culture zones, including moderately high frequencies in the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Polynesia, with generally lower frequencies found in coastal and island Melanesia, Micronesia, and Taiwanese aboriginal tribes.

O3 is GENETIC MARKER OF SEA, it is found HIGHEST FREQ among SEA n Chinese (TOO BAD, be careful korean, run away from these people! soon as you look like them they dont want anything to do with you!)

they use the word likely because they found a lot the variations of O3 among SEA POPULATIONS
your english comperhension is fuk up....find someone to translate english to your language

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 11 2011, 06:38 AM

[Rayzor]

Haplogroup O3 has been implicated as a diagnostic genetic marker

of the Austronesian expansion when it is found in populations of Oceania. Its distribution in Oceania is mostly limited to the traditionally Austronesian culture zones, including moderately high frequencies in the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Polynesia, with generally lower frequencies found in coastal and island Melanesia, Micronesia, and Taiwanese aboriginal tribes.

O3 is GENETIC MARKER OF SEA, it is found HIGHEST FREQ among SEA n Chinese (TOO BAD, be careful korean, run away from these people! soon as you look like them they dont want anything to do with you!)

they use the word likely because they found a lot the variations of O3 among SEA POPULATIONS

Its distribution in Oceania is mostly limited to the traditionally Austronesian culture zones, including moderately high frequencies in the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Polynesia, with generally lower frequencies found in coastal and island Melanesia, Micronesia, and Taiwanese aboriginal tribes.

Haplogroup O2a reaches its highest frequencies among the populations of the islands of Sumatra, Java, Bali, and Borneo in western and central Indonesia.
I don't think o3 is Indonesian dominant. Seem to me wikipedia contradict with itself. First they said o3 are associated with Chinese, then they said it haplogroup O3 has been implicated as a diagnostic genetic marker of the Austronesian expansion when it is found in populations of Oceania

You still haven't tell me which part of southeast asia you live. Why you keep avoiding this questions?

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 11 2011, 07:02 AM

[islandBrother]

Haplogroup O3 has been implicated as a diagnostic genetic marker

of the Austronesian expansion when it is found in populations of Oceania. Its distribution in Oceania is mostly limited to the traditionally Austronesian culture zones, including moderately high frequencies in the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Polynesia, with generally lower frequencies found in coastal and island Melanesia, Micronesia, and Taiwanese aboriginal tribes.

O3 is GENETIC MARKER OF SEA, it is found HIGHEST FREQ among SEA n Chinese (TOO BAD, be careful korean, run away from these people! soon as you look like them they dont want anything to do with you!)

D* and O2* are in south east asia.

korea sam han kingdoms was not south east asian? what about mtDNA ? korean women mtDNA is same as ainu and jomon?

[kieshin]

D* and O2* are in south east asia.

korea sam han kingdoms was not south east asian? what about mtDNA ? korean women mtDNA is same as ainu and jomon?

O3 is genetic marker of austronesian expansion! LOL (do u understand what that mean?NO?) they associated this genes with chinese because chinese is 1.3 billion people, even if HALF of it is still 700 million, while the whole SEA combined pop only less than 600 million....your english comprehension is BAD

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 11 2011, 06:48 AM

[Rayzor]

I don't mind being associated with southeast asian because as dongyi said, everyone share similar ancestors, it just a matter how much you trace back time. So, whatever you said really make no difference.

@kieshin, just answer which part of southeast asian you live, then I will be able to tell whether you are lying or not when you said Chinese mix with southeast asian. Right now I'm more interested with this.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 11 2011, 06:57 AM

[zoopiter]

ancient korean kingdom was sam han.

Yerroperil. you don't want koreans to relato to south east asians?




Koreans have south eastern DNAs, because east china sea was a land, during ice age, and it's why chinese not have O2b because O2b people live around coast, now below sea. O3 is probably chinese, but some from south east asia.

there are already theories that linked koreans to southeast asians, that one of them being the hmong. but those are more of a pre-historic mythology, and little real life relevance is present. not being an expert on land migrations or as such, i dun think that stretches to the ice age. mythology had it that a great flood and wars with the chinese forces the hmong to split from the koreans and migrated via inland route down the western parts of china (at that time), across szechuan and then into the southwest of china now.

This post has been edited by zoopiter: Sep 11 2011, 07:09 AM

[kieshin]

I don't mind being associated with southeast asian because as dongyi said, everyone share similar ancestors, it just a matter how much you trace back time. So, whatever you said really make no difference.

@kieshin, just answer which part of southeast asian you live, then I will be able to tell whether you are lying or not when you said Chinese mix with southeast asian. Right now I'm more interested with this.

O3 is genetic marker of austronesian people, it is spread among chinese in hi freq, because of hi rate on intermixing between chinese n these SEA ppl ( which again proved my point)
i lived in malaysia now but i have relatives in singapore, thailand, indonesia, hongkong.

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 11 2011, 07:07 AM

[Rayzor]

O3 is genetic marker of austronesian people, it is spread among chinese in hi freq, because of hi rate on intermixing between chinese n these SEA ppl ( which again proved my point)

Sigh..if you are going to use all human out of Africa theory, then obviously all human can relate with each other. However, during that time, the identity of Chinese, or austronesian is not created yet. If you mean modern day, then the answer is no. Han Chinese do not mix itself with Austronesian people. That is why I want to know which southeast asian part you live so that I can confirm whether you are lying or not.

i lived in malaysia now but i have relatives in singapore, thailand, indonesia, hongkong.

Did you just edit your post? Anyway, since you live in Malaysia, the answer is no. Most Han Chinese in Malaysia are Buddhist or Christian. The native of Malaysia, Malay are Muslim. In Malaysia, Muslim and non Muslim can not marry each other. Marriage between Han Chinese and Malay/Muslim are very rare. If Han Chinese want to marry Malay, they need to convert. So, if a lot of Han Chinese marry Malays(southeast asian) as you claim they need to convert but as you can see, most Chinese in Malaysia are either Christian or Buddha.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 11 2011, 07:13 AM

[kieshin]

Sigh..if you are going to use all human out of Africa theory, then obviously all human can relate with each other. However, during that time, the identity of Chinese, or austronesian is not created yet. If you mean modern day, then the answer is no. Han Chinese do not mix itself with Austronesian people. That is why I want to know which southeast asian part you live so that I can confirm whether you are lying or not.

lol u can say what ever u want but according to your wikipedia, genetic of han chinese is mixture of, from asutronesian, SEA, tibetans (O3 & O2a) to manchu, japanese, mongols, korean (O2b)

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 11 2011, 07:13 AM

[kieshin]

Sigh..if you are going to use all human out of Africa theory, then obviously all human can relate with each other. However, during that time, the identity of Chinese, or austronesian is not created yet. If you mean modern day, then the answer is no. Han Chinese do not mix itself with Austronesian people. That is why I want to know which southeast asian part you live so that I can confirm whether you are lying or not.



Did you just edit your post? Anyway, since you live in Malaysia, the answer is no. Most Han Chinese in Malaysia are Buddhist or Christian. The native of Malaysia, Malay are Muslim. In Malaysia, Muslim and non Muslim can not marry each other. Marriage between Han Chinese and Malay/Muslim are very rare. If Han Chinese want to marry Malay, they need to convert. So, if a lot of Han Chinese marry Malays(southeast asian) as you claim they need to convert but as you can see, most Chinese in Malaysia are either Christian or Buddha.

lol dont even try i live there...a lot of those datuk has chinese blood in them mostly from their great/grandmother. unlike the indian mixd they downplay the chinese mixed, bcos chinese here r discriminated and lookdown by the malay

unless u befriend n familiar with these ppl u'll never know, unless they look chinese they wont tell anyone except close friends n family....but a lot of malay have chinese blood in them, trust me i know....

[Rayzor]

lol u can say what ever u want but according to your wikipedia, genetic of han chinese is mixture of, from asutronesian, SEA, tibetans (O3 & O2a) to manchu, japanese, mongols, korean (O2b)

Sure, same goes to Korean. Due to this o2a-o2b-o2 connection, the same logic can also be applied to Korean as well. Anyway, they don't. Han Chinese in Malaysia don't mix with Malay. I already explained the reason why and this is because of religion issue. Don't think you can fool me. Most of them do not have Chinese blood.

You want to hate interracial marriage, keep it to yourself. Don't drag other into this or use other race to justify your hatred or prove your point. I am not a fan of interracial marriage either, but I don't use other race to as an excuse.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 11 2011, 07:51 AM

[thesecond]

thesecond,
i understand. japanese emperor and jomons are also from southern china, Han Chinese of Sichuan, Guangxi, and Guangdong.
but even without O2* YDNA, chinese already relatives of japanese emperor because marriages of japanese emperor with chinese exile princess from chinese empire thousands of years ago.
The subclades of Haplogroup O2a with their defining mutation, according to the 2006 ISOGG tree:
O2a (M95) Typical of Austro-Asiatic peoples, Kradai peoples, Malays, Indonesians, and Malagasy, with a moderate distribution throughout South Asia, Southeast Asia, East Asia, and Central Asia
O2a*
O2a1 (M88, M111) Frequently found among Hani, She people, Tai peoples, Cambodians, and Vietnamese, with a moderate distribution among Qiang, Hlai, Miao, Yao, Taiwanese aborigines, populations of Borneo,[6] and Han Chinese of Sichuan, Guangxi, and Guangdong
O2a1*
O2a1a (PK4) Found at low frequency among Pashtuns,[7] Tharus,[8] and tribals of Andhra Pradesh[8]
O2a2 (M297)

And Japan emporer also came from africa like other human beings. So I have no clue what u r trying to say.
Japan emporer is O2? Care to share some source to backup your idea?

btw we chinese never expel our prince/princess.

[kieshin]

Sure, same goes to Korean. Due to this o2a-o2b-o2 connection, the same logic can also be applied to Korean as well. Anyway, they don't. Han Chinese in Malaysia don't mix with Malay. I already explained the reason why and this is because of religion issue. Don't think you can fool me. Most of them do not have Chinese blood.

lol you are very slow indeed,

like the beginning, research already shown, most likely all asian come from SEA....
chinese, relate to sea, japanese, relate to sea, manchus relate to sea, SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT?! back to zero, so far u still have no idea what is the point/conclusion of this genetic studies

let make it simple,
japanese, korean ,manchu, mongols go north n stay there n didnt intermix with their southern brother for a very loooong time, til their genes mutated...

The phylogeography of Haplogroup O2b suggests an ancient origin in Manchuria or a nearby part of northern East Asia, followed by a long period of isolated evolution and population increase in the vicinity of the Korean Peninsula. Only branches of this haplogroup that are labeled as Haplogroup O2b*, i.e. those that do not exhibit the 47z mutation, have been detected among the indigenous populations of Inner Mongolia and northern Manchuria, and even then they are found only at very low frequencies. However, Haplogroup O2b* Y-chromosomes have been detected with high frequency in Korea, where they account for approximately 14%[3][4][14] to 33%[8] of the Korean male population.

meanwhile in china everyone meet up n start screwing each other up....


u read wikipedia about chinese in malaysia, but in reality they intermarry in hi frequency, yes religion is barrier, prob less than in thai for example, but still it is 10x more than say black - white in america the same theme all over SEA......where do u live, i live here, have friends and families, i experience it first hand....know a lot of malay politic, lots of those malaysian politician, i didnt say most but a lot of them have chinese ancestry even they dont look chinese at all

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 11 2011, 08:11 AM

[Rayzor]

lol you are very slow indeed,

like the beginning, research already shown, most likely all asian come from SEA....
chinese, relate to sea, japanese, relate to sea, manchus relate to sea, SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT?! back to zero, so far u still have no idea what is the point/conclusion of this genetic studies

let make it simple,
japanese, korean ,manchu, mongols go north n stay there n didnt intermix with their southern brother for a very loooong time, til their genes mutated...



meanwhile in china everyone meet up n start screwing each other up....


u read wikipedia about chinese in malaysia, but in reality they intermarry in hi frequency, yes religion is barrier, prob less than in thai for example, but still it is 100x more than say black - white in america

Duh, like I said, o2a-o2b are siblings, ok? So they can relate with each other as well. Stop making me repeating the same thing again and again. Without o2, there will be no o2b or o2a. Also, you forget this important part.

The subgroup O3a5-M134 is particularly closely associated with Sino-Tibetan populations, and it is generally not found outside of areas where a Sino-Tibetan language is currently spoken or that are historically supposed to have undergone Chinese colonization or immigration, such as Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Indonesia.

I am aware all asian can relate with SEA, I only explain why SEA can choose to relate with Korean more.
The interracial marriage among malay and Chinese are even lesser than whitexblack in America. I don't like to reveal my identity, but for you information, I am from Malaysia as well.

'Kau tahu cakap Bahasa Melayu? Dah berapa lama kau tinggal di Malaysia?'

The above sentences are Malay language. If you know Malaysia well, you should be able to understand it, right? I believe I know my country better than you. Enough of the lies. The moment you use the words 'pakcik', 'makcik'(which means uncle and aunty), I already seen through everything and what kind of agenda or lies you have. Stop using Han Chinese in southeast asia as an excuse to dislike interracial marriage.

This post has been edited by Rayzor: Sep 11 2011, 09:04 AM

[kieshin]

Duh, like I said, o2a-o2b are siblings, ok? So they can relate with each other as well. Stop making me repeating the same thing again and again. Without o2, there will be no o2b or o2a. Also, you forget this important part.


I am aware all asian can relate with SEA, I only explain why SEA can choose to relate with Korean more.
The interracial marriage among malay and Chinese are even lesser than whitexblack in America. I don't like to reveal my identity, but for you information, I am from Malaysia as well.

'Kau tahu cakap Bahasa Melayu? Dah berapa lama kau tinggal di Malaysia?'

The above sentences are Malay language. If you know Malaysia well, you should be able to understand it, right? I believe I know my country better than you. Enough of the lies. The moment you use the words 'pakcik', 'makcik'(which means uncle and aunty), I already seen through everything and what kind of agenda or lies you have. Stop using Han Chinese in southeast asia as an excuse to dislike interracial marriage.

i can speak bahasa melayu u dumb @$$ how long i've been living in malaysia? long enough to know u are not that smart lol

wikipedia did not contradict itself , u think that way because u are dumb...

so please read this over and over again so you can find connection...

O2a and O2b has almost no connection at all except it is originated from O2, while O2 is rare among modern human, O2b is not mutated from O2a, it is mutated from O2......

so the connection between O2a and O2b taken waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back to hundreds of thousand of yEARS AGO!!!!

so the koreans separated from the SEA hundreds of thousands of years AGO!!!! so their O2 mutated to O2b while SEA's O2 mutated into O2a

O2b is even said originated from manchu

Possible time of origin 6,300 [95% CI 600–37,000] years ago
Possible place of origin Manchuria or a nearby part of northern East Asia

its like african went to europe after 10,000yrs separated they genes mutated, and they become european.

we're talking about time frame here, not origin, so u don't get confuse.

O2a predominantly Southeast asia: vietnamese, thailand, indonesia, etc.
O2b predominantly Northeast asia: Manchu, Mongols, Japanese, & Koreans

you trying to connect SEA with Japanese and koreans using O2 but reject any connection between SEA and chinese while variant of O2a (subgroup of O2a) found in moderate freq among chinese population, this is a direct variant of O2a

Subgroups

The subclades of Haplogroup O2a with their defining mutation, according to the 2006 ISOGG tree:

O2a (M95) Typical of Austro-Asiatic peoples, Kradai peoples, Malays, Indonesians, and Malagasy, with a moderate distribution throughout South Asia, Southeast Asia, East Asia, and Central Asia
O2a*
O2a1 (M88, M111) Frequently found among Hani, She people, Tai peoples, Cambodians, and Vietnamese, with a moderate distribution among Qiang, Hlai, Miao, Yao, Taiwanese aborigines, populations of Borneo,[6] and Han Chinese of Sichuan, Guangxi, and Guangdong
O2a1*
O2a1a (PK4) Found at low frequency among Pashtuns,[7] Tharus,[8] and tribals of Andhra Pradesh[8]
O2a2 (M297)

now O3, this single mutation, linked all asian and

more recent mutation, still widely found/distributed among asian population, it is even said originated either from china or SEA!

Possible time of origin 10,000 to 30,000 years ago
Possible place of origin China or Southeast Asia

it is found in HIGH FREQUENCY among han chinese and SEA population, from oceanic to land people

Haplogroup O3 has been implicated as a diagnostic genetic marker

of the Austronesian expansion when it is found in populations of Oceania. Its distribution in Oceania is mostly limited to the traditionally Austronesian culture zones, including moderately high frequencies in the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Polynesia,

Among all the populations of East and Southeast Asia, Haplogroup O3 is most closely associated with those that speak a Sinitic, Tibeto-Burman, or Hmong–Mien language

The Tibeto-Burman family of languages, often considered a branch of the Sino-Tibetan language family, consists of languages spoken in various central, east, south and southeast Asian countries, including Burma (Myanmar), Tibet, northern Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, parts of southwest and central China (Yunnan, Sichuan, Guizhou and Hunan), northern mountains and middle hills of Nepal, eastern parts of Bangladesh (Chittagong Division), Bhutan, northern parts of Pakistan (Baltistan), and various regions of India (Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, the Ladakh and Kargil regions of Jammu and Kashmir, and North-East India

some variant of O3 found specifically among sino-tibetan but most variant of this genetic mutation found among SEA

Microsatellite data show that the O3 haplotypes are more diverse in Southeast Asia than those in northern East Asia.[2] This suggests a southern origin of the O3-M122 mutation to be likely.

this single genetic marker that LINKED all asian but somehow u rejected it and call it just chinese, no one else has anything to do with it, while try hard to link SEA with korean/japanese using very ancient genetic mutation that is almost nowhere to be found among modern human, O2,

This post has been edited by kieshin: Sep 11 2011, 02:33 PM

[KraterosHellas]

to put it bluntly, japanese people is a composite of chinese and SEA. taiwanese is probably the closest to japanese besides okinawans.