New Theory on Angkor, Who were the last Varman kings? Options

[SEAhistory]

And you know what the Nazi do to the Jews right? Send them all to concentration camp. I think that's what those other Thai should do with these Chinese-Thai living in Bangkok.

Not, really lol. They just have to speak the truth and treat evrybody the same, and spread the wealth among all Thai people, just in any nation.

[PongThep]

Not, really lol. They just have to speak the truth and treat evrybody the same, and spread the wealth among all Thai people, just in any nation.

Don't worry bro, they call run away from their corrupt government but soon karma will get them in the end.

And there's still a prophecy soon to come. I wish the true siamese people peace and good fortune but Jek Thais can all die a million deaths.

[PongThep]

And you know what the Nazi do to the Jews right? Send them all to concentration camp. I think that's what those other Thai should do with these Chinese-Thai living in Bangkok.

That's a great idea, you should forward your idea to red shirt leader asap. Start with PAD jek

[SabaiSabai]

What is this I see? Funanese and Chams working together to fight off Vietnamese?? So, actually my post on Cham and Jayavarman to work together doesn't sound so odd anymore.

I think you read that wrong lol they allied together to raid the Vietnamese lol not joined hands to defend.

Like I said. Your so convinced that your theory is correct you are Even bending these sources to fit lol

[SEAhistory]

I think you read that wrong lol they allied together to raid the Vietnamese lol not joined hands to defend.

Like I said. Your so convinced that your theory is correct you are Even bending these sources to fit lol

So when people attack together they won't defend together? By the way, defending is conquering land by battle and regain control. So I don't really understand you...

Is that all you have to say about it, lol?

I'm just showing that Chams and Funanese went into battle together, and joint hands to battle a common enemy. And it shows that Cham and funanese were dependant on each other for more succes. All key elements that support my theory.

This post has been edited by SEAhistory: Feb 13 2012, 06:18 PM

[PeaceMan]

You know what's funny? The people that are descended from real Thai people are being oppressed by Chinese-Thais from bangkok. The Chinese did really well to integrate into Thai society, so they wouldn't be kicked out as in Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. And now they take the lands of the real Thais and control economy. Chinese-Thais look down on brown people and are among the ugliest Thai people. I like real Thai people, I don't like fake Thai people from China.

I'm a brown people...And yes, you are right! I don't like those particular cocky people as you mentioned,neither...I don't considered some of them as Siamese/Thai,rather just Chinese or mixed Chinese in Siam/Thailand...BUT! PLS don't generalized! there are always nice and rude people in every society.

My grandmother was also of Chinese descent.She never look down on any good people regardless of skin color.

Be Siam or Funan both are pretty much the same...the "melting pot"!

The "real Siamese of Sri Ayuttaya" were mainly the "Austro-Tai"[through centuries of integration...(inter-married)].

And through the same process of integration and evolution, Siamese of RattanaKosin became more mixed of "Sino-Austro-Tai" from the royal family 'till regular people...That made majotity of Thai people both genetically and culturally related from North till South...As one big Thai family.


And I strongly believe that looking down upon our neigboring countries is pretty much like looking down upon our own relatives, since we all are related here...

[Jin4life]

That's a great idea, you should forward your idea to red shirt leader asap. Start with PAD jek

Nazi Germany all started because of class differences. The Jews in Germany has always oppress the native German who are of the poor class society. Their is no difference here with Thailand social society we see today.



SEND ALL CHINESE-THAI TO THE CONCENTRATION CAMP! Jek Sondhi Limthongkul should be the first!

This post has been edited by Jin4life: Feb 13 2012, 07:45 PM

[LoveIsAllAround]

Yeah Siam are like jews, they both like to lie and twist history.

Did you know Jewish religion originated in Ethiopia? Did you know the real Isrealites were Ethiopian? So you are exactly right! Both are twisting history and and claim to be descended from another people that really developed the religion..

Wow, never know that! It's incredible. That's amazing about alternative history, right?

As we are seeing Khmer is not responsible for what you call Khmer Empire or Khmer culture, but the Cham did. It maybe Khmer originiated from Malay (Cham) stock, and adopted ancient Mon language and ancient Mon culture to their Cham culture.

[LoveIsAllAround]

These are real Thai people, of mixed Lao, Khmer and Mon ancestry

Everybody in this world included Khmer are hybrid. You can simply call them, Siamese.

[LoveIsAllAround]

Okay, that makes sense:
The present Thai royal family, the Chakri Dynasty, was founded by King Rama I who himself was partly Chinese.

Don't get confused with King Taksin, he was Chinese-Siamese, his father was Chinese. King Rama I's father was a Mon descent from Ayutthaya. These Chinese and Mon were already assimilated to be SIamese. They were not like New Mon or New Chinese, migrated in 19-20 century.

[LoveIsAllAround]

I don't know who believes that Khmer is Cham, but they certainly are related. I think I have shown so much evidence to support this. I think it's even possible that Kaudinya was a Cham.

Did you say Cham is Khmer?

Umm.. and now Khmer members perspective to Kaudinya was a Cham, not an Indian anymore, like most of you had believed. See? history keeps changed.

[LoveIsAllAround]

Does this Mon king look like Jayavarman? Haha, lol.

Javavarman VII came from Land Chenla region, Ancient Mon territory. He might be Mon. and even today no historians can prove his ethnicity. Some says he was a Cham.

[Leeporter]

let's create a poll for this thread for people that think Funan and Chenla originated in Cambodia, by Khmer and Austronesean people, or in Thailand, by Mon people..

ha ha ha ... I've told you earlier that Funan originated from Chaiya, southern Thailand. They expanded to today Cambodia and southern VN during Fan-shi-man. Chaiya and Nakorn Sridhammarat have been used as the center of power throughout the history of Funan and Chenla. We have proved that many kings of Funan and Chenla were from Chaiya and Nakorn Sridhammarat.

You are misleading people by mixing today Cambodia's territory with "Khmer"

I didn't see any Khmer involved in Funan and Chenla before 600 A.D.

Before 600 A.D. I've found only Tai and Indian names of the kings.

Actually, after 600 A.D. to 1340, we never found any kings of Chenla who is Khmer.

And most of them came from somewhere else.

What we found is that after 600 A.D. there were Khmer slaves involved, but never found Khmer ruler there.

Khmer rulers were found only after 1340 when the power was shifted to Ayudhaya already.

That's the fact!

And THEN we can argue IF Indravarman III was KPM. Even IF Indravarman was KPM the Siamese, it would only conclude that Kamboja had a temporary allie in the form of Sukhotai, nothing more..

No, if you accept that Indravarman III was KPM, it means that what your Khmer people used to believe that Varman kings were Khmer is wrong!

And I will show you later that Funan and Chenla were under Srivijaya until Indravarman III.

[SabaiSabai]

So when people attack together they won't defend together? By the way, defending is conquering land by battle and regain control. So I don't really understand you...

Is that all you have to say about it, lol?

I'm just showing that Chams and Funanese went into battle together, and joint hands to battle a common enemy. And it shows that Cham and funanese were dependant on each other for more succes. All key elements that support my theory.

Not really. You assume that their relations were actually always on good standing. Are you forgetting Chams invaded Cambodia as well as Cambodia invaded Champa lol Chams were the first to sack Angkor. Throughout their histories these two nations waged war on each other numerous times. How on earth did you come up with that they were dependent on each other for success or protection.

The best example of unification against an invading force was Angkor+Siam+Lavo AGAINST Champa.

Like I said. You are trying far too hard to connect Champa with Angkorians.

This post has been edited by SabaiSabai: Feb 13 2012, 08:18 PM

[Leeporter]

Okay, now I will prove some more:
















Please tell me? Where do Siameze come in the picture???

This is what Tai come in the picture.

Kun Tian, Kun Pan Wang, Kun Pan Chan, Kun Pan Chang, Khun Pha Muang.
Unless you claim that those are Khmer names.

Now, reading what you post above and please tell us where do Khmer come in the picture.

Where it said Khmers were the ruler of Funan and Chenla?

[Leeporter]

Does this Mon king look like Jayavarman? Haha, lol.

What a retard, you compare a modern day painting with statue 1,000 years ealier.

And if you want me to say, I would say that that statue was a Buddha image Chinese style.

You think he is Khmer?

This post has been edited by Leeporter: Feb 13 2012, 08:20 PM

[SEAhistory]

Wow, never know that! It's incredible. That's amazing about alternative history, right?

As we are seeing Khmer is not responsible for what you call Khmer Empire or Khmer culture, but the Cham did. It maybe Khmer originiated from Malay (Cham) stock, and adopted ancient Mon language and ancient Mon culture to their Cham culture.

What do you consider Mon culture? The Malay, Cham and Khmer architecture? Or the language with his first roots in South-Cambodia? Or the Sanskrit inscriptions with their oldest sources in South-Cambodia?

[LoveIsAllAround]

You know what's funny? The people that are descended from real Thai people are being oppressed by Chinese-Thais from bangkok. The Chinese did really well to integrate into Thai society, so they wouldn't be kicked out as in Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. And now they take the lands of the real Thais and control economy. Chinese-Thais look down on brown people and are among the ugliest Thai people. I like real Thai people, I don't like fake Thai people from China.



Please tell me? Where do Siameze come in the picture???

Don't be a Chinese hater like Laotards in here. That's disgusting. I know some bad Lao, Khmer in Thailand but I don't hate those Lao and Khmer in Thailand as a whole. It's individual thing. It's Siamese king who offered (or threated) all New Chinese immigrations to assimilated to be Siamese/Thai. It's not all Chinese wanted to assimilate. If King Rama VI never did that, I think some Chinese might assimilated (Like what Old Chinese and other ethnics did) and some Chinese would not. And we would see Millions Chinese with strong Chinese culture and speak Chinese only, not Thai in Thailand. I don't think we Thais wanna see this happens. Laotards may not agree becos they don't want Chinese to be Thai, becos they want to be Thai themselves, they wish SIamese/Thai love them more. 555+ (This is real crazy and funny from Laotards, they don't wanna be Lao anymore)

There are many Khmer Chen too, what do you think about them? Are they Khmer like you? Or are they all greedy like Jews? Are they ruling Khmers in Cambodia, like Khmer Yuon are?

[Leeporter]

I think it's even possible that Kaudinya was a Cham.

What is this I see? Funanese and Chams working together to fight off Vietnamese?? So, actually my post on Cham and Jayavarman to work together doesn't sound so odd anymore.

You know what you see?

You see an evidence that Funan and Cham were two different entities.

[SEAhistory]

This is what Tai come in the picture.

Kun Tian, Kun Pan Wang, Kun Pan Chan, Kun Pan Chang, Khun Pha Muang.
Unless you claim that those are Khmer names.

Now, reading what you post above and please tell us where do Khmer come in the picture.

Where it said Khmers were the ruler of Funan and Chenla?

I claim those are Chinese names. Where Khmers come in the picture is that they are native to South-Cambodia, where the kingdom and culture began and evolved. There is no trace of another ethnicity coming into the area and taking with them their culture, besides the Austronesean people that digged canals and set up trade ports. And I've showed plenty of evidence that the cultrue evolved independantly for centuries before the great temples were build.