New Theory on Angkor, Who were the last Varman kings? Options

[LoveIsAllAround]

I'm just waiting for someone to make a claim king Narai is a khmer now rofl I bet it will happen. These people will try to connect anything with Khmer lol

There is more evidence. Let's share all evidence in our hands so we can see the truth.

King Narai's message to King of Portugal is very similar to what French Ambassador, La Loubere who visited Ayuttaya in King Narai era 1688.

คำสั่งที่มอบให้ทูตไทยไปโปรตุเกส เมือ คศ 1684 นี่้มีความใกล้เคียงกับ ต้นกำเนิดกรุงศรีอยุธยา ที่ลา ลูแบร์ ราชทูตฝรั่งเศสได้บรรทึกไว้ เมือมี พศ 2231 คศ 1688

"ปฐมกษัตริย์ของชาวสยามนั้นมีพระนามว่า พระปฐมสุริยเทพนรไทยสุวรรณบพิตร (Pra poathonne Sourittp pennartui sonanne bopitra) (พระปทุมสุริยวงศ์?) พระมหานครแห่งแรกที่เสด็จเถลิงถวัลยราชสมบัตินั้น ชื่อว่า ไชยบุรีมหานคร (Tchai pappe Mahanacon) ซึงข้าพเจ้าไม่แจ้งว่าอยู่ที่ไหน เมื่อเสด็จเถลิงถวัลยราชสมบัตินั้น พระพุทธศาสนายุกาลล่วงแล้ว 1300 พรรษา นับตามศักราชสยาม และมีพระมหากษัตริย์สืบสันตติวงศ์อีก 10 ช่วงกษัตริย์ องค์สุดท้ายทรงพระนามว่า พญาสุนทรเทศมหาราชเืทพ (Ipoia Sanne Thora Thesma Teperat) (ยโศธรเทศมหาเืทพราช?) ย้ายพระนครหลวงมาสร้างราชธานีใหม่ที่เมือง ธาตุนครหลวง (Tasoo Nacora Loung ยโศ(ธร) นครหลวง? )

[SEAhistory]

There is more evidence. Let's share all evidence in our hands so we can see the truth.

King Narai's message to King of Portugal is very similar to what French Ambassador, La Loubere who visited Ayuttaya in King Narai era 1688.

คำสั่งที่มอบให้ทูตไทยไปโปรตุเกส เมือ คศ 1684 นี่้มีความใกล้เคียงกับ ต้นกำเนิดกรุงศรีอยุธยา ที่ลา ลูแบร์ ราชทูตฝรั่งเศสได้บรรทึกไว้ เมือมี พศ 2231 คศ 1688

"ปฐมกษัตริย์ของชาวสยามนั้นมีพระนามว่า พระปฐมสุริยเทพนรไทยสุวรรณบพิตร (Pra poathonne Sourittp pennartui sonanne bopitra) (พระปทุมสุริยวงศ์?) พระมหานครแห่งแรกที่เสด็จเถลิงถวัลยราชสมบัตินั้น ชื่อว่า ไชยบุรีมหานคร (Tchai pappe Mahanacon) ซึงข้าพเจ้าไม่แจ้งว่าอยู่ที่ไหน เมื่อเสด็จเถลิงถวัลยราชสมบัตินั้น พระพุทธศาสนายุกาลล่วงแล้ว 1300 พรรษา นับตามศักราชสยาม และมีพระมหากษัตริย์สืบสันตติวงศ์อีก 10 ช่วงกษัตริย์ องค์สุดท้ายทรงพระนามว่า พญาสุนทรเทศมหาราชเืทพ (Ipoia Sanne Thora Thesma Teperat) (ยโศธรเทศมหาเืทพราช?) ย้ายพระนครหลวงมาสร้างราชธานีใหม่ที่เมือง ธาตุนครหลวง (Tasoo Nacora Loung ยโศ(ธร) นครหลวง? )

Thai are durty liars. they try to twist history ever since 1351. I don't believe any Thai webiste, unless it's international accepted. You are brainwashed people

[SEAhistory]

Thais try to twist history ever since they came from Southern China and want to belong to the sacred predecessors. Only show internationally accepted evidence please on this thread. No legends, assumptions or any other crap which comes from a Thai source. No offence to Thai people, there are some smart Thais that know the real history and which disagree with their rulers twisting truth. My country has bad people as well, my motherland as well, so it's not just Thais, but what a bunch of fu-king liars..

[Leeporter]

I think the one who translated that Chinese annal, may use Teochew accent when translated to Thai. Hu Lam maybe be Hu Nan? or Fu Nan?

But I notice, Old CHinese see Central and Southern Thailand in the past as same region, called Xian, that might trace from Xia Tou.

Yes, that translation is definitely Thai "Teochew"

And I am sure it refered to Funan.

May be we should find the one that was translated into Mandarin to see whether he mean Funan or not.

[Leeporter]

Thai are durty liars. they try to twist history ever since 1351. I don't believe any Thai webiste, unless it's international accepted. You are brainwashed people

Thais try to twist history ever since they came from Southern China and want to belong to the sacred predecessors. Only show internationally accepted evidence please on this thread. No legends, assumptions or any other crap which comes from a Thai source. No offence to Thai people, there are some smart Thais that know the real history and which disagree with their rulers twisting truth. My country has bad people as well, my motherland as well, so it's not just Thais, but what a bunch of fu-king liars..

Calm down, we just presented what the Chinese and the French had recorded.

It's not from a Thai source; it's only what we translated into Thai.

You can verify whether it's true or not by checking the source in Chinese and French.

If we can find the record of Chinese during King Taksin period, we can ask Xigon to read it to see whether Hu Lam = Funan or not.

[LoveIsAllAround]

Thais try to twist history ever since they came from Southern China and want to belong to the sacred predecessors. Only show internationally accepted evidence please on this thread. No legends, assumptions or any other crap which comes from a Thai source. No offence to Thai people, there are some smart Thais that know the real history and which disagree with their rulers twisting truth. My country has bad people as well, my motherland as well, so it's not just Thais, but what a bunch of fu-king liars..

I don't know why you are so angry, Maybe You think we Thais will get what you named as "Khmer' from you?. NO, it's not like that. What you call sacred predecessors, have been already Siamese. Nothing involved with Khmer. If there were no Khmer, Siamese still be like this.

Those what I posted here, you can't fine in any Thai websites, Becos I read it from a book. And it's not what the book writer wrote but they are from Portugal and France governments, they sent these evidence to Thailand gov.

Siamese king claimed their ancestor built Yasodharapura (Angkor), it happened almost 400 years ago. I think that time nobody especially westerners knew about Angkor kings yet.

[Leeporter]

And what sculpture in Cambodia shows this influnce before 550AD?

Why don't you stop your silly argument? No one understand at all your logic.

It doesn't prove at all who the rulers of Funan/Chenla were.

We have more direct evidences such as non-sanskrit names of the rulers, the title names, the Chinese record about siam, the French record about the history of kings of Ayudhaya etc.

But you prefer to ignore those direct evidence and use indirect evidences which can't prove at all who those rulers are.

Like when we are trying to find who was the robber of a bank is; we have clear pictures of robbers on CCTV but you ignored it and used evidence such as what kind of perfume that robber used when he robbed. You claim that the perfume you found on the suspect doesn't match the smell the bank cashiers said they smelt when he robbed the bank, so he is not the one. You ignored the fact that his face exactly match the one caught on CCTV.

Silly argument and it won't make you win, don't you think so?

[SEAhistory]

What I've shown you so far:

- The oldest evidence of Khmer language and culture derrived in Southern-Cambodia.

- The language and culture expanded northward.

- The Mon style of pre-Dvaravati doesn't hold any relation to Khmer style.

- There was a vast populated area around Tonlé Sap with people with knowledge of agriculture (200BC).

- Sailendra and Java had a relationship and a common source in Indonesia.

- The Chams came to Southern-Cambodia to intermix with the indeginous population.

- The Chams and the Khmers had a influence from Javanese architecture.

- Khmers got Sanskrit from the Cham (or at least the same source).

- The Khmers and Chams were on the same time freed from a foreign enemy (Jayavarman II calling out his own country, the Chams making an inscription that they regained control)

- Chaiya in the inscription would have called "Jaya", instead of "Java".

- The new architecture suddenly shows an increased influence from Java/Champa, while reports of pirates have been described by the inscriptions.

- Jayavarman II began in South-Cambodia, according to the inscription: "returned to the land of his ancestors" and began his career again in southern Cambodia.

- Chvea is much more likely to be Chvea (Champa) then Java or Lavo, according to the new influences the Khmers received.

- Chinese Li are not reliable, but the ratio of the distances cohere with a place in Southern- Cambodia.

- Chinese use their own words that predate Thai language, and are not coherent with the literally foreign word.

- The language of Khmers is biquinary, as it was in Angkor.

- Chenla and Funan were the same.

Okay, no let's sum up what you have shown:

- Chinese words look like Thai words, so they are Thai words.

- The (tHAI LIAR) legends hold all truth and are more reliable then any other evidence.

- There was a culture before Khmers came there, so that's the Khmers culture.

[LoveIsAllAround]

Let break the mood.

Queens of Langgasuka, a Thai movie.
















This post has been edited by LoveIsAllAround: Feb 11 2012, 10:31 PM

[Leeporter]

Siamese king claimed their ancestor built Yasodharapura (Angkor), it happened almost 400 years ago. I think that time nobody especially westerners knew about Angkor kings yet.

You got the point.

Ayudhaya kings won't try to twist the history to claim something which was not known to the world yet.

There was no such silly word as "Angkor" yet 400 years ago.

It's a very dumb argument to claim that King of Ayudhaya made the story up to claim the famous Angkor from Khmer.

But that's the only way Khmer member can do when they can't disprove evidences like these.

They always used the argument such as "nobody believe evidence from your Thai side" even if those evidences are from Chinese, Portugest, French etc.

This post has been edited by Leeporter: Feb 11 2012, 10:35 PM

[LoveIsAllAround]

You got the point.

Ayudhaya kings won't try to twist the history to claim something which was not known to the world yet.

There was no such silly word as "Angkor" yet 400 years ago.

It's a very dumb argument to claim that King of Ayudhaya made the story up to claim the famous Angkor from Khmer.

But that's the only way Khmer member can do when they can't disprove evidences like these.

They always used the argument such as "nobody believe evidence from your Thai side" even if those evidences are from Chinese, Portugest, French etc.

I think they are still shocked, becos they think Siem=Tai.

I sense these Khmer's racist to others like Tai peole, they call 'Jungle Tai' LOL Damn, they don't want Thai to look down on them but deep in their hearts they are racist themselves. Don't you know the word 'Chong and Phnong' are pejorative words, these people are like bannork redneck. So these Chong, Phnong must declare that their name is KUI which means Human. These Khmer think they are real Angkor rulers. In fact they are Chong, Phong mixed with Cham.

[PongThep]

If siamese claim they built angkor then why couldn't they buit something like it with all the elite Khmers they captured.

Why just settle for a cheap miniature replica? why have soldiers try to disassemble Khmer temples when they could've built their own?

Sounds like cheap lips flapping and not enough action. LOL

[LoveIsAllAround]

If siamese claim they built angkor then why couldn't they buit something like it with all the elite Khmers they captured.

Why just settle for a cheap miniature replica? why have soldiers try to disassemble Khmer temples when they could've built their own?

Sounds like cheap lips flapping and not enough action. LOL

Dumbass, Don't you know Theravada Buddism is the key. LOL You are stupid fool troll, should be in read-only mode only.

[PongThep]

Dumbass, Don't you know Theravada Buddism is the key. LOL You are stupid fool troll, should be in read-only mode only.

It's true, use your 10 base counting system and build another angkor wat temple or any Khmer temple.

Let's see what you Tais can do with the Khmer know how rather than lips flapping in the wind.

Start by building one that DOESN'T look like a PENIS for once.

[Kdaw_Tmaw]

What I've shown you so far:

- The oldest evidence of Khmer language and culture derrived in Southern-Cambodia.

- The language and culture expanded northward.

- The Mon style of pre-Dvaravati doesn't hold any relation to Khmer style.

- There was a vast populated area around Tonlé Sap with people with knowledge of agriculture (200BC).

- Sailendra and Java had a relationship and a common source in Indonesia.

- The Chams came to Southern-Cambodia to intermix with the indeginous population.

- The Chams and the Khmers had a influence from Javanese architecture.

- Khmers got Sanskrit from the Cham (or at least the same source).

- The Khmers and Chams were on the same time freed from a foreign enemy (Jayavarman II calling out his own country, the Chams making an inscription that they regained control)

- Chaiya in the inscription would have called "Jaya", instead of "Java".

- The new architecture suddenly shows an increased influence from Java/Champa, while reports of pirates have been described by the inscriptions.

- Jayavarman II began in South-Cambodia, according to the inscription: "returned to the land of his ancestors" and began his career again in southern Cambodia.

- Chvea is much more likely to be Chvea (Champa) then Java or Lavo, according to the new influences the Khmers received.

- Chinese Li are not reliable, but the ratio of the distances cohere with a place in Southern- Cambodia.

- Chinese use their own words that predate Thai language, and are not coherent with the literally foreign word.

- The language of Khmers is biquinary, as it was in Angkor.

- Chenla and Funan were the same.

Okay, no let's sum up what you have shown:

- Chinese words look like Thai words, so they are Thai words.

- The (tHAI LIAR) legends hold all truth and are more reliable then any other evidence.

- There was a culture before Khmers came there, so that's the Khmers culture.

This is more than enough proof. Even the Malays, Laos, Viets and other members such as dreamhunter and sonofgun... knows the Khmer history as well and acknowledge Mon-Khmer existence. These couple of Thais and a Chinese dude does not (go figure why). The only thing these Thais in here will argue with is that they are all brainwashed by the French. Hahaha! Seriously, Hahahaha! Everything I've read from them so far is a joke. If they go argue with dreamhunter and sonofgun... they will just call them idiots and been brainwashed by the French. Let's just make it simple for them and say the whole world is brainwashed by the French. Hahaha!

I respect Thai and Siamese people. I even have 2 best Thai friends and they are also brainwashed by the French and American. Hahaha! Seriously, Siamese have a beautiful culture whether it stemmed from ours or from Mon, I respect that. But these Thais in here not only want to discredit us, but put us down at the same time. If you think I'm exaggerating, go read how they mock the word Khmer and claim how we came to be. Seriously, over 50 pages and nothing concrete from them but only a load of insults and derogatory comments.

[LoveIsAllAround]

What I've shown you so far:

- The oldest evidence of Khmer language and culture derrived in Southern-Cambodia.

- The language and culture expanded northward.

- The Mon style of pre-Dvaravati doesn't hold any relation to Khmer style.

- There was a vast populated area around Tonlé Sap with people with knowledge of agriculture (200BC).

- Sailendra and Java had a relationship and a common source in Indonesia.

- The Chams came to Southern-Cambodia to intermix with the indeginous population.

- The Chams and the Khmers had a influence from Javanese architecture.

- Khmers got Sanskrit from the Cham (or at least the same source).

- The Khmers and Chams were on the same time freed from a foreign enemy (Jayavarman II calling out his own country, the Chams making an inscription that they regained control)

- Chaiya in the inscription would have called "Jaya", instead of "Java".

- The new architecture suddenly shows an increased influence from Java/Champa, while reports of pirates have been described by the inscriptions.

- Jayavarman II began in South-Cambodia, according to the inscription: "returned to the land of his ancestors" and began his career again in southern Cambodia.

- Chvea is much more likely to be Chvea (Champa) then Java or Lavo, according to the new influences the Khmers received.

- Chinese Li are not reliable, but the ratio of the distances cohere with a place in Southern- Cambodia.

- Chinese use their own words that predate Thai language, and are not coherent with the literally foreign word.

- The language of Khmers is biquinary, as it was in Angkor.

- Chenla and Funan were the same.

Okay, no let's sum up what you have shown:

- Chinese words look like Thai words, so they are Thai words.

- The (tHAI LIAR) legends hold all truth and are more reliable then any other evidence.

- There was a culture before Khmers came there, so that's the Khmers culture.

Let me summarize it for you...

Khmer is Cham (Malay)

[LoveIsAllAround]

This is more than enough proof. Even the Malays, Laos, Viets and other members such as dreamhunter and sonofgun... knows the Khmer history as well and acknowledge Mon-Khmer existence. These couple of Thais and a Chinese dude does not (go figure why). The only thing these Thais in here will argue with is that they are all brainwashed by the French. Hahaha! Seriously, Hahahaha! Everything I've read from them so far is a joke. If they go argue with dreamhunter and sonofgun... they will just call them idiots and been brainwashed by the French. Let's just make it simple for them and say the whole world is brainwashed by the French. Hahaha!

I respect Thai and Siamese people. I even have 2 best Thai friends and they are also brainwashed by the French and American. Hahaha! Seriously, Siamese have a beautiful culture whether it stemmed from ours or from Mon, I respect that. But these Thais in here not only want to discredit us, but put us down at the same time. If you think I'm exaggerating, go read how they mock the word Khmer and claim how we came to be. Seriously, over 50 pages and nothing concrete from them but only a load of insults and derogatory comments.

And you idiot do nothing when your Khmer folks like Nakaslave and Khamerboi insult Thai/Thailand first. LOL You already know that Thai members here never insult Khmers, we even sometimes side to Khmer to bash those Laotards. What we have been doing here is just bashing those ignorants khamens. LOL And you the idiot who insult me without reason. Don't act like a gool guy, PongThep, LadyboyFarang and more must be your own accounts. If you don't wanna here us bashing some idiotic khamen, Why won't you go suck your own khamen kadaw. LOL

[khmerking]

This is more than enough proof. Even the Malays, Laos, Viets and other members such as dreamhunter and sonofgun... knows the Khmer history as well and acknowledge Mon-Khmer existence. These couple of Thais and a Chinese dude does not (go figure why). The only thing these Thais in here will argue with is that they are all brainwashed by the French. Hahaha! Seriously, Hahahaha! Everything I've read from them so far is a joke. If they go argue with dreamhunter and sonofgun... they will just call them idiots and been brainwashed by the French. Let's just make it simple for them and say the whole world is brainwashed by the French. Hahaha!

I respect Thai and Siamese people. I even have 2 best Thai friends and they are also brainwashed by the French and American. Hahaha! Seriously, Siamese have a beautiful culture whether it stemmed from ours or from Mon, I respect that. But these Thais in here not only want to discredit us, but put us down at the same time. If you think I'm exaggerating, go read how they mock the word Khmer and claim how we came to be. Seriously, over 50 pages and nothing concrete from them but only a load of insults and derogatory comments.

Thai and Khmer were getting a long fine on AF until khmerboi & Nagaprincess came in and destroy the peace.

[khmerking]

Khmer never knew about their own history until the white man came and told them Khmer origin.

[Kdaw_Tmaw]

And you idiot do nothing when your Khmer folks like Nakaslave and Khamerboi insult Thai/Thailand first. LOL You already know that Thai members here never insult Khmers, we even sometimes side to Khmer to bash those Laotards. What we have been doing here is just bashing those ignorants khamens. LOL And you the idiot who insult me without reason. Don't act like a gool guy, PongThep, LadyboyFarang and more must be your own accounts. If you don't wanna here us bashing some idiotic khamen, Why won't you go suck your own khamen kadaw. LOL

I don't give a $hit who you side with. No one asked you to side with anyone so that you can throw more insults just to satisfy your needs. I see Khmer, Thai and Lao go at it with each other all the time here on AF and that's why I hardly come here much anymore. This place is a $hithole. And you're still clueless as to why you and I bumped heads. Well go back to that one thread where you crossed the line by hijacking someone's thread just so that you can personally attack another member. That's right, you deserve a taste of your own medicine, but I did it without being a racist $hit like you. All the $hit you've said only shows your true hatred for Khmer and Lao. Not all Thai members will try to counter the way you do, and just be glad that not all Thais are like you. If you want to make this personal then go open another thread or send a PM... my 9 inch kdaw is waiting for you, sweetie.