Japan minister's China remarks 'inappropriate' Options

[catman]

I think the U.S. is at the core of all of this. The U.S. is not going to allow Japan to gain a military of her own. The U.S. is always going to be in China's backyard. theirs no way around it. If the U.S. allowed Japan to slowly build up its own forces, Japan could start closing U.s. bases. That's never going to happen.

1) Japan is not a colony. They've made the choice to continue to have US bases on their territory.

2) I'm not 100% certain that China would want a rearmed Japan. If the US were to leave the first think they would probably do is to get nukes.

[PCAT]

Someone was talking about Nanking and revenge. I'm starting to feel like if that's what it takes to ends it, than so be it. Let China come to Japan and shoot down 600,000 people then call it even. I much prefer that to this never ending U.S. presence. This is hell on earth, at this rate, Japan will be a whore for the U.S. forever and ever. We'll never have political freedom.

Ok, but you'll have to be part of that 600,000 that gets shot up and killed by China. Then the deal will be made to relinquish Japan from US protection. Are you OK with that?

This post has been edited by PCAT: Apr 25 2011, 09:48 PM

[InitialDJay]

japan needs uncle sam for protection and development. uncle sam had done a good of helping them, so i'm not that surprise. however if japan is pointing finger at china, then ccp needs to reconsider their strategic plan, either to soften up the japanese worry or counter that with a sino-russia coalition. i think the direction right now moving toward the latter.

[Mid-Night_Sun]

I think the U.S. is at the core of all of this. The U.S. is not going to allow Japan to gain a military of her own. The U.S. is always going to be in China's backyard. theirs no way around it. If the U.S. allowed Japan to slowly build up its own forces, Japan could start closing U.s. bases. That's never going to happen.

Someone was talking about Nanking and revenge. I'm starting to feel like if that's what it takes to ends it, than so be it. Let China come to Japan and shoot down 600,000 people then call it even. I much prefer that to this never ending U.S. presence. This is hell on earth, at this rate, Japan will be a whore for the U.S. forever and ever. We'll never have political freedom.

yikes...that idea is insane.

is that why the US is there? because they think the moment they leave China is going to go for revenge for WW2???

dear lord...honestly, far be it from me to speak for anyone besides myself. but i really doubt Chinese go about their day foaming at the mouth because of WW2...we arent going to forget it. but revenge is something else entirely.

This post has been edited by Mid-Night_Sun: Apr 25 2011, 09:35 PM

[faydabakery]

yikes...that idea is insane.

is that why the US is there? because they think the moment they leave China is going to go for revenge for WW2???

dear lord...honestly, far be it from me to speak for anyone besides myself. but i really doubt Chinese go about their day foaming at the mouth because of WW2...we arent going to forget it. but revenge is something else entirely.

His answer is what happens when nationalism goes overboard even if its just talk.

[qwerty2010]

Someone was talking about Nanking and revenge. I'm starting to feel like if that's what it takes to ends it, than so be it. Let China come to Japan and shoot down 600,000 people then call it even. I much prefer that to this never ending U.S. presence. This is hell on earth, at this rate, Japan will be a whore for the U.S. forever and ever. We'll never have political freedom.

Huh? That's nonsense, the Chinese don't want "revenge" by killing the Japanese, especially when modern Japan had nothing to do with WW2. It is enough that Japan comes to a rapprochement with its neighbors and set the historic records straight. Even the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were deemed "too much" by Mao. There's a famous story about what Mao gifted Tanaka to hint at this...

It's better for Asians and Russians if all non-Asian military LEAVE us to work out our issues, to develop a regional framework, eg. an East Asian Treaty Organization purely for defense of member states and even better, a DEMILITARIZED ZONE for long-term stability for all of us who LIVE next to each other, which is something that benefits all of us. Otherwise, some of us are always going to be proxies for outside forces, and therefore not acting out of our mutual interests and undermining long-term security and regional PEACE.

Finally, the American Empire is rotting from within, like the Roman Empire. Their own Banksters and Oligrachs brought about the collapse of the Dollar Hegemony, and their NeoCons brought about the exhaustion of their Global Military mired in fruitless wars. It's a matter of time that a more balanced and multi-polar world will emerge, it is already starting to take shape in the form of BRICS.

This post has been edited by qwerty2010: Apr 26 2011, 12:27 AM

[chiuchimu]

yikes...that idea is insane.

is that why the US is there? because they think the moment they leave China is going to go for revenge for WW2???

dear lord...honestly, far be it from me to speak for anyone besides myself. but i really doubt Chinese go about their day foaming at the mouth because of WW2...we arent going to forget it. but revenge is something else entirely.

I'm making an extreme point that's all. It's actually pointed at the U.S. I doubt China will ever Attack Japan for WW2.


I'm saying the U.S. - Japan relationship has made it impossible for Japan to act independently. We are too tied to them militarily and economically. If we try to create distance - to start breaking away- The U.S. threatens our economy. Japan has no military right now and the U.S. is not interested in letting Japan build one which would take decades to do. The U.S. would rather see Japan crushed rather than lose control. I see no plan of action Japan can do to free itself of the U.S.

In answer to the bold. It's not necessarily China or has to do with WW2. Anyone can threaten you if you have no military. Could be NK who knows - Japan does believe that as a strategic territory, japan is a pawn. missiles from U.S. bases in Japan can hit China, Korea and Russia. Would China want to take this ability away from the U.S? I think yes. but it depends a lot on how far the U.S. pushes things.


No one predicted any of the conflicts that happened in the last 30 years: Irag, Bosnia, Somalia etc... Who knows whats going to happen in Asia in the next 30.

[KraterosHellas]

Huh? That's nonsense, the Chinese don't want "revenge" by killing the Japanese, especially when modern Japan had nothing to do with WW2. It is enough that Japan comes to a rapprochement with its neighbors and set the historic records straight. Even the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were deemed "too much" by Mao. There's a famous story about what Mao gifted Tanaka to hint at this...

It's better for Asians and Russians if all non-Asian military LEAVE us to work out our issues, to develop a regional framework, eg. an East Asian Treaty Organization purely for defense of member states and even better, a DEMILITARIZED ZONE for long-term stability for all of us who LIVE next to each other, which is something that benefits all of us. Otherwise, some of us are always going to be proxies for outside forces, and therefore not acting out of our mutual interests and undermining long-term security and regional PEACE.

Finally, the American Empire is rotting from within, like the Roman Empire. Their own Banksters and Oligrachs brought about the collapse of the Dollar Hegemony, and their NeoCons brought about the exhaustion of their Global Military mired in fruitless wars. It's a matter of time that a more balanced and multi-polar world will emerge, it is already starting to take shape in the form of BRICS.

it's interesting to note that the roman empire's decline really begins after the period of the Five Good Emperors when everything just goes down hill as the MILITARY interests such as the PRAETORIAN guards take control of the roman policies and over who becomes the emperor. often times these unworthy scums chose their favorite generals to be emperor who usually had NON-ROMAN barbarian backgrounds. anyone see the similarity here? (hint: pay attention to my caps)

[chutzpah]

2) I'm not 100% certain that China would want a rearmed Japan. If the US were to leave the first think they would probably do is to get nukes.

Japan's military might is not to be taken lightly, it is modern with extremely capable equipments. Japan trumps in military technology and could produce nuke in no time at all. The only thing Japan lacks is the proper name for its defence force. But who wants to see a conflict between the two neighbours, it is better that relationship be forged on mutual respect and economy.

[qwerty2010]

It is better for Japan to have its own proper military and for the Americans to leave than the status quo. There is stability in having genuine autonomy when one's own country is at stake. It is more likely for closer co-operation, negotiations and diplomacy than for conflicts to take place, as there is a will to resolve problems peacefully. A WW2 Redux is unlikely to happen. Both China and Japan have a lot to offer each other in complementary economic and political development that brings mutual benefits. The avenue to the future becomes then *The Roadmap* for the region, as everyone shares the same goal for stability and development instead of spending on the Military Industrial Complex. As a proxy for the US, Japan's interest doesn't come first, it's what America perceives to be in its own interest that is front and center, eg. the Dollar Hegemony and the Infinite Debt supported by Asian hard earned savings, which is detrimental to not just Japanese and Chinese productive workers and savers, but the entire region.

Unfortunately, Japan won't be able to shake free of the US, and China has to break away on its own while it can, with the US and its proxies snapping at its heels.

This post has been edited by qwerty2010: Apr 26 2011, 06:14 AM

[Hugham]

Japan's military might is not to be taken lightly, it is modern with extremely capable equipments. Japan trumps in military technology and could produce nuke in no time at all. The only thing Japan lacks is the proper name for its defence force. But who wants to see a conflict between the two neighbours, it is better that relationship be forged on mutual respect and economy.

Yup, and they are envy and crying like a baby when we modernize our military too.

Japanese people love to see his own race dying in the sake of foreigner.

This post has been edited by Hugham: Apr 26 2011, 06:52 AM

[zoopiter]

I think the U.S. is at the core of all of this. The U.S. is not going to allow Japan to gain a military of her own. The U.S. is always going to be in China's backyard. theirs no way around it. If the U.S. allowed Japan to slowly build up its own forces, Japan could start closing U.s. bases. That's never going to happen.

Someone was talking about Nanking and revenge. I'm starting to feel like if that's what it takes to ends it, than so be it. Let China come to Japan and shoot down 600,000 people then call it even. I much prefer that to this never ending U.S. presence. This is hell on earth, at this rate, Japan will be a whore for the U.S. forever and ever. We'll never have political freedom.

that is just crazy. in fact that will further substantiate american presence

nevertheless the minister said "to balance".
it is a very benign word and it is very hard to insist that such remarks are inappropriate.
inappropriate remarks should be left to remarks that are wrongfully degrading to china.

in what physical and limited way had your personal life been affected with "the loss of political freedom"?
is your main concern that japan cannot build up a stronger military of her own?
or is your main concern that u do not like us bases near some other japanese home, though not of yours?
if the deal is that japan can build a stronger military, for exchange of american bases to stay, would that be ok?