Malaysians and Filipinos, Are they related ? Options

[malaccan]

We're all pacific islanders damnit.

[AwangPembela]

Excuse me, but I dont think I am. Honestly.

I'm a mainlander. So were my grandpas n grandmas, my great grandpas n great grandmas, my great great grandpas n great great grandmas. N so on.

We hv been n still r much, much more Mon-Khmeric than Sumatran-Javanese.

The point is, even Malaysians, even Malay Malaysians, r still unclear about the true n complete history of Malaysia.

Sabahans n Sarawakians may be islanders. Even then, it's quite likely that SOME of their ancestors may hv also come from mainlandic SEA. As well as further north from Taiwan n Southern China.

As for Semenanjung (Peninsular) "Malays", the best description, I feel, would be mixed mainlandic-islandic. With northerners tending to hv greater mainlandic ancestry n southerners tending to hv greater islandic ancestry.

Yes. The Semenanjung has a dual character. Technically it is a part of the SEAn mainland. But being a peninsula, politically n culturally it has also been condidered a part of the archipelago for thousands of years. It's like, an almost-island.

This post has been edited by AwangPembela: Feb 11 2009, 06:29 AM

[sonofgunongjerai]

I am with Mr. Awang.

[malaccan]

Excuse me, but I dont think I am. Honestly.

I'm a mainlander. So were my grandpas n grandmas, my great grandpas n great grandmas, my great great grandpas n great great grandmas. N so on.

We hv been n still r much, much more Mon-Khmeric than Sumatran-Javanese.

The point is, even Malaysians, even Malay Malaysians, r still unclear about the true n complete history of Malaysia.

Sabahans n Sarawakians may be islanders. Even then, it's quite likely that SOME of their ancestors may hv also come from mainlandic SEA. As well as further north from Taiwan n Southern China.

As for Semenanjung (Peninsular) "Malays", the best description, I feel, would be mixed mainlandic-islandic. With northerners tending to hv greater mainlandic ancestry n southerners tending to hv greater islandic ancestry.

Yes. The Semenanjung has a dual character. Technically it is a part of the SEAn mainland. But being a peninsula, politically n culturally it has also been condidered a part of the archipelago for thousands of years. It's like, an almost-island.

I am with Mr. Awang.

My response was a lame attempt at sarcasm actually - a few Filipinos keep questioning whether they are Asians or Pacific islanders, which to Malaysians is a non-issue as the answer is fairly obvious.

I am but echoing your thoughts that Semenanjung is where mainland and maritime southeat Asia meets. As a southerner with closer ties to Indonesia than you would have I fully acknowledge the unique attributes of our northern brothers. We too now are mixed and are one in eating belacan, tempoyak, cencaluk, budu - Malaysia is home and not the islands further south nor the kingdoms to the north. Which makes for interesting times come Hari Raya- nak balik kampung suami kat Muar or balik kampung bini kat Sungai Petani?

It's a shame that not more Malaysians speak mainland languages, because there is much we can harness from working closer with our mainland cousins. Just look at the distance between KL and other ASEAN cities - it would need to be pointed out to many that we are georaphically closer to more mainland capital cities than the martime ones. The former are also more accessible as we can drive there if we want.

KL-Singapore: 320km
KL-Phnom Penh/Ho Chi Minh: 1000km
KL-Bangkok/Jakarta: 1200km
KL-Bandar Seri Begawan: 1500km
KL-Manila: 2500km

So don't mind me when I say we're pacific islanders- it's just light banter with our Filipino relatives. I can see why many Filipinos would think that. AsiaFinest was really started for Asians in the States and over there the most represented southeast Asian people there are Filipinos. Add into the mixture Hawaiians and the Spanish-influenced communities, you can see how easily it would be for some to identify themselves more with the Pacific islanders rather than Asians, unlike Malay(sians) with our physical link to mainland Asia and shared Hindu-Buddhist past. I stand by what I said about the many physical similarities between Malaysians and Filipinos - I really have lost count the number of times I'm mistaken for the latter.

[sonofgunongjerai]

But I think that we can't deny about sea gypsies as the early inhabitants in Johore and Singapore. They are considered as Proto-Malays from Austronesian stock.

[nessie09]

I stand by what I said about the many physical similarities between Malaysians and Filipinos - I really have lost count the number of times I'm mistaken for the latter.

Too true! I went for a holiday in Boracay & Manila last October and everywhere I went, people started talking Tagalog with me. I usually responded in English without really understanding what is being said because I'm under the assumption its always something along the lines of 'Welcome/Do u need anything/ What can I do for you' etc... Until 3 or 4 Tagalog sentences later that I'm left dumbfounded and eventually tell them that I'm Malaysian.

Most are surprised and said I don't look or sound Malaysian. See, Carmen Soo was huge in PI for her role in Kahit Isang Saglit while I was there. (I did get to watch 1 episode. Interesting telenovela) Whenever I mentioned I'm Malaysian, most would said I don't sound anything like her and are left disappointed.

Hence, I decided to conduct an experiment (more than once I might add) to see if the local salespersons could tell if I'm local or not by not mentioning my Nationality or telling them I don't understand Tagalog. So whenever they started talking to me in Tagalog, I'd asked the salesperson(s) to converse with me in English as I'm more comfortable with the language. And it worked! But my sole Pinoy travel companion (who never translated for me so he could laugh at my expense, that devil incarnate) told me those who converse in English are usually upper class Pinoys so I did get some dirty looks whenever I made the request. But hey, at least they thought I was local. Hehe..

There's this taxi driver who took me for a ride to the Enchanted Kingdom (about an hr from Manila) last Halloween, who initially thought I was from another province up north when he heard me conversing with one of my travel buddy in Malay. I recalled his words vividly ' Miss, why do you look Pinay? Do you have Filipino blood?' I told him no, not that Im aware of.

And he said to me 'No. I KNOW you have Pinoy blood. You are not Malaysian. I have met Malaysians and Singaporeans tourists in Manila. They are fair-skin with slanted eyes and they have funny English accent. I can understand your English clearly, M'am'

He's convinced I'm from Pampanga, because of my accent.(Which wasn't in my itinerary, sayang di ba). Even after dropping me at my hotel, he still thought I was Pinay. Which I don't really mind because majority of em look like urban Malays to me anyway. He ended up giving me really good rates for a return trip (2000PHP/4 persons) from Manila->Sta Rosa->Makati->Manila->Mandaluyong. Ah.. the perks of being mistaken as a local is good news for my wallet.

Aside from our language similarity, I noticed some similarity with both culture i.e : ManoPo-PI/Bersalam-Malaysia(exactly the same from gestures to whom u give ur respect to); eating with our hands, never being on time. ('Filipino time', which is similar to Malaysia's 'I'm on the way' culture), Balik Kampung/BalikBayan, bargaining..

[salamat]

Too true! I went for a holiday in Boracay & Manila last October and everywhere I went, people started talking Tagalog with me. I usually responded in English without really understanding what is being said because I'm under the assumption its always something along the lines of 'Welcome/Do u need anything/ What can I do for you' etc... Until 3 or 4 Tagalog sentences later that I'm left dumbfounded and eventually tell them that I'm Malaysian.

Most are surprised and said I don't look or sound Malaysian. See, Carmen Soo was huge in PI for her role in Kahit Isang Saglit while I was there. (I did get to watch 1 episode. Interesting telenovela) Whenever I mentioned I'm Malaysian, most would said I don't sound anything like her and are left disappointed.

Hence, I decided to conduct an experiment (more than once I might add) to see if the local salespersons could tell if I'm local or not by not mentioning my Nationality or telling them I don't understand Tagalog. So whenever they started talking to me in Tagalog, I'd asked the salesperson(s) to converse with me in English as I'm more comfortable with the language. And it worked! But my sole Pinoy travel companion (who never translated for me so he could laugh at my expense, that devil incarnate) told me those who converse in English are usually upper class Pinoys so I did get some dirty looks whenever I made the request. But hey, at least they thought I was local. Hehe..

There's this taxi driver who took me for a ride to the Enchanted Kingdom (about an hr from Manila) last Halloween, who initially thought I was from another province up north when he heard me conversing with one of my travel buddy in Malay. I recalled his words vividly ' Miss, why do you look Pinay? Do you have Filipino blood?' I told him no, not that Im aware of.

And he said to me 'No. I KNOW you have Pinoy blood. You are not Malaysian. I have met Malaysians and Singaporeans tourists in Manila. They are fair-skin with slanted eyes and they have funny English accent. I can understand your English clearly, M'am'

He's convinced I'm from Pampanga, because of my accent.(Which wasn't in my itinerary, sayang di ba). Even after dropping me at my hotel, he still thought I was Pinay. Which I don't really mind because majority of em look like urban Malays to me anyway. He ended up giving me really good rates for a return trip (2000PHP/4 persons) from Manila->Sta Rosa->Makati->Manila->Mandaluyong. Ah.. the perks of being mistaken as a local is good news for my wallet.

Aside from our language similarity, I noticed some similarity with both culture i.e : ManoPo-PI/Bersalam-Malaysia(exactly the same from gestures to whom u give ur respect to); eating with our hands, never being on time. ('Filipino time', which is similar to Malaysia's 'I'm on the way' culture), Balik Kampung/BalikBayan, bargaining..

Im not suprised if filipinos have some similarity in culture with malays.
The Philippines pre-spanish was in fact influenced by the hinudistic culture of neighboring Indonesia and Malaysia.
In fact men and women wore sarongs back in the day. And the written language of the Philippines looks a little like sanskrit.

LOL he thought you were Pampangan....I heard that the pampangan language is th closest sounding language to that of Bahasa Malay

[sonofgunongjerai]

I just know that Malay had similarity with Tagalog in numerals:

satu
dua
tiga
empat
lima
anam
tujoh
lapan
samilan
sapuloh

Also some words which sounds like Celebes or Bugis or Minagkabau words like Bagong (New, Baru), Manok (Chicken, Bird, Ayam), Ako (I, Aku), Ikaw (You, Angkau), Tulung (Help, Tulong), Mabuntut (Follow, Mengekori), Bigas (Rice, Bogheh or Beras) and Malukut (Sad, Melukut)

[fatman]

Filipinos call buffalo "carabao", which is similar to "kerbau" in Malay

This post has been edited by fatman: Feb 13 2009, 04:27 AM

[sasigrl4evr]

I just wonder why compare the two?

wellll, im filipino and a see tht the language is quite alike..not exactly

likee this..::
malaysian/tagalog

tenghari=tangali
lelaki=lalaki
buka=bukas
kanan=kanan
putih=puti
taun=taon
lima=lima
manis=matamis
masin=maasin
mangga=mangga
nanka=langka


see? almost the same. and the features are kinda the same too

hope this helps


This post has been edited by sasigrl4evr: Apr 29 2010, 09:15 AM

[Jav3n]

wellll, im filipino and a see tht the language is quite alike..not exactly




see? almost the same. and the features are kinda the same too

hope this helps

I don't know about that...

what I do know is malaysians have this unique accent when they talk in english...they talk the same way in singapore as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRqaVmJe_TI...feature=related

[sasigrl4evr]

I don't know about that...

what I do know is malaysians have this unique accent when they talk in english...they talk the same way in singapore as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRqaVmJe_TI...feature=related

hmmm......... okay, since the spaniards have been ruling philippines for about 300 years, there must have been some changes in the tagalog language, so of course there's a difference in the accent. and i could tell, those people in those pictures aren't full filipino.....

This post has been edited by sasigrl4evr: Apr 30 2010, 08:24 AM

[Jav3n]

hmmm......... okay, since the spaniards have been ruling philippines for about 300 years, there must have been some changes in the tagalog language, so of course there's a difference in the accent.

accent..not language

[sasigrl4evr]

accent..not language

accent doesn't matter, it's the language. even those born in the philippines have different accents but still speak the same language.

[Fictionicon]

I think, not sure, could be mistakened, that there's a malaysian version of Mananangal. A female succubus who's upper half separates and flies around to eat people or something. Y'know, lower mythology.

gotta love those cartoonish effects
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-_dy1lMKks

[StormyWeather]

When people say most Filipinos are Malays, they usually mean 60-70% of Filipinos.

Anyways (I live in Canada) and most of the Filipinos I have met have Chinese/ Spanish ancestors (ancestors, not ethnic Chinese/Spanish)....Just a random fact.


In terms of diversity, I would say that the Philippines is more multiracial seeing as their are 250 000 Americans living there (most of which probably have a Filipino husbund/wife, there for half children), 2-3 million Mestizos, etc.


I wouldn't deny that 60-70% of Filipinos are Malay though. I mean look at them. There's basically no difference (except the names)

[benteunerz36]

lawlz, my former classmate often mistaken me as an indian. Although I look Filipino... but there's "Indian" in it, probably the eyes. The fact is, my eyes came from Latin-race. lawlz! so meaning to say, not all Filipinos looks Malay. To me, there're 45% Malay and 30% Ami, the rest would be half mestizos/morena and filipino. At least inside my classroom.

enough about the race.

I think Malaysia's terracotta or red jars came from the Philippines, during pre-historic times.

[pinkcreamreturns]

lawlz, my former classmate often mistaken me as an indian. Although I look Filipino... but there's "Indian" in it, probably the eyes. The fact is, my eyes came from Latin-race. lawlz! so meaning to say, not all Filipinos looks Malay. To me, there're 45% Malay and 30% Ami, the rest would be half mestizos/morena and filipino. At least inside my classroom.

enough about the race.

I think Malaysia's terracotta or red jars came from the Philippines, during pre-historic times.

you dont look caucasian at all..

[Esfandiari]

you dont look caucasian at all..

Pink,

You should check it out at Philippines Chat where a few Filipinos (a few, I say!), directly or indirectly, really think they are sort of whites, Caucasians or light-skinned Amis. They even go so far to think that they are always whiter, lighter and more Caucasian-looking than Malaysians, Indonesians,etc, even more so than fellow Filipinos in Mindanao! Me, like you, really don't think Filipino looks are extraordinary..they are just ordinary-looking browns with Malay looks. But you can't convince them! Not all of them though have this attitude. Some really are proud of their brown, Malay complexion and looks. In fact, they are bantering against each other over this skin color issue there in Philippine Chat.

[filipinoy]

Pink,

You should check it out at Philippines Chat where a few Filipinos (a few, I say!), directly or indirectly, really think they are sort of whites, Caucasians or light-skinned Amis. They even go so far to think that they are always whiter, lighter and more Caucasian-looking than Malaysians, Indonesians,etc, even more so than fellow Filipinos in Mindanao! Me, like you, really don't think Filipino looks are extraordinary..they are just ordinary-looking browns with Malay looks. But you can't convince them! Not all of them though have this attitude. Some really are proud of their brown, Malay complexion and looks. In fact, they are bantering against each other over this skin color issue there in Philippine Chat.

few, but u have to remember ejay makes a new account all the time so it looks like theres 20 ppl arguing in a thread, he has like 4 accounts in this thread alone lol

ejays point most of the time is that not all pinoys are dark, & many lighter ones exist too (but same applies to m'sians right?) but he exaggerates it sometimes/most of the time to convince ppl

This post has been edited by filipinoy: Aug 5 2010, 06:24 AM