Martial arts: the round kick, different strategy comparison Options

[chiuchimu]

In Muay Thai, the roundhouse kick is executed like a right hook. Both strikes are sudden and not telegraphed, both start the power from the legs and feet, and both use the twisting momentum of the body to deliver power. The lower leg snaps very little. Some people kick with an almost straight stick like leg.

In Karate, the round house kick is different. The leg is more or less twisted into position and then the lower leg is snapped into the target. This makes the karate kick lighter, but faster and more controlled.

My opinion, use a Muay thai style kick to side of body and lower because many people are tuff there and a maximum power kick is needed. Kick to the head with a karate style roundhouse. The head is hard to kick, people have enough time to counter it so a well timed sneaky kick is needed. I believe watching K-1 matches support my opinion.


Please add your martial arts know-how below and share. Or feel free to comment on my thread.

[YourMuDoIsWeak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq5bsYFURsg...D2&index=19

[chiuchimu]

^ Exactly, Kyukushin Karateka use a whipping action in their kicks, hips followed by upper leg then the final lower leg snap.

Muai Thai uses more of the explosive power from a fast launch. Very little lower leg snap.


Second point I discovered. If your taller and more well balanced than your opponent, Then clinching from the outside is better than clinching from the inside. Not only do you have free usage of your elbows, but you can control the clinch distance. also, by squeezing your arms and elbows over his, you destroy his ability to control you and you control him instead.

[lilasiankid]

Yes, no chambering in Muay thai kick. A muay thai kick to the head or side of the neck will do just fine.

[indacut]

One of the best things about Muay thai is the leg work when throwing a hook or kick. The hips twist giving an extra momentum to whatever you throw, especially hooks and elbows. With kicks that land right on target it can be devastating. That and the defensive head movements is what really caught my eye when I was first shopping for a gym to train at years ago.

I apply all my standards to a street fight. I will never train professionally so thats more realistic. If you open up someone with a quick left jab/cross, take a step forward to switch your feet and follow up with a kick to the side (liver).

It will be either over or the will be over very soon. This ofcourse is applied to a street fight, not professional. And ofcourse if your left jab/cross lands and makes him step back.

This post has been edited by indacut: May 17 2009, 07:40 PM

[chiuchimu]

^ yes, I believe Muay Thai is one of the best MA for street fights.

In the last five years since I started training in Muay Thai I haven't been in a street fight. The total number of street fights I've had since High school is three so I'm no an expert on street fights. But in all three fights, I won by taking the guy down and ground and pound (using what I learned in High school wrestling).

So I thing MA can be useful in a street fight as long as the training is REALISTIC.

If I got into a street fight tomorrow, I would not use my kick or my punches. I would focus on my clinch work, use knees and elbows. The reason is most people don't have a clue what to do if clinched. That gives me ample time for one or two knees to the solar plexus, then elbow to the head for the KO.

[indacut]

That tactic is a good idea for someone your size. But have a plan when you go up against someone like this.



But train enough and you can clinch anyone.


I never seen a clinch in a brawl. But Ive seen plenty of head locks that end up to the ground. Thats why I have allot of respect for BJJ. And I will be taking it soon. Im running out of excuses on why I havent been actually looking.

One of the main reason why I set my standards to the street is because there are no rules and so many variables. A guy can start swinging at you wildy, lunge and try to tackle you, or he might be some one else that trains. Not to mention complete chaos if its multiple people with and against you.

[chiuchimu]

I never seen a clinch in a brawl. But Ive seen plenty of head locks that end up to the ground. Thats why I have allot of respect for BJJ. And I will be taking it soon. Im running out of excuses on why I havent been actually looking.

Yeah, exactly, grab any non-k-1,Muai Thai, MMA guy in a plum clinch, they freeze up! If one doesn't know how to free the clinch or fight from the clinch, one feels helpless and weak. But I'm sure its the same helpless feeling under the control of a BJJ master.


Him, I kick in the balls or wack with a big stick his knee joint.
Or run as fast as I can.

[YourMuDoIsWeak]

That tactic is a good idea for someone your size. But have a plan when you go up against someone like this.



But train enough and you can clinch anyone.


I never seen a clinch in a brawl. But Ive seen plenty of head locks that end up to the ground. Thats why I have allot of respect for BJJ. And I will be taking it soon. Im running out of excuses on why I havent been actually looking.

One of the main reason why I set my standards to the street is because there are no rules and so many variables. A guy can start swinging at you wildy, lunge and try to tackle you, or he might be some one else that trains. Not to mention complete chaos if its multiple people with and against you.

Yeah man tell me when you go to a gym your in Cali, if i were in the bay area i would hit up http://opendoorbjj.com/ or
http://www.ralphgracie.com/home.html AKA is good place to i know you were talking about it earlier.

Yeah, exactly, grab any non-k-1,Muai Thai, MMA guy in a plum clinch, they freeze up! If one doesn't know how to free the clinch or fight from the clinch, one feels helpless and weak. But I'm sure its the same helpless feeling under the control of a BJJ master.


Him, I kick in the balls or wack with a big stick his knee joint.
Or run as fast as I can.

Yeah fu-k dee bo man.

[Psycho John]

Second point I discovered. If your taller and more well balanced than your opponent, Then clinching from the outside is better than clinching from the inside. Not only do you have free usage of your elbows, but you can control the clinch distance. also, by squeezing your arms and elbows over his, you destroy his ability to control you and you control him instead.

That's partially true, but someone who might be shorter but stronger can open you up with the inside position making your face, chest, and stomach open to knees. Obviously if that person lacks any clinching skills then it probably wouldn't matter one way or another.

If I had to fight someone like Deebo, I'd definitely go for the legs. Everyone who trains in Muay Thai or something similar knows how weak untrained legs are to kicks from a trained person.

[chiuchimu]

That's partially true, but someone who might be shorter but stronger can open you up with the inside position making your face, chest, and stomach open to knees. Obviously if that person lacks any clinching skills then it probably wouldn't matter one way or another.

If I had to fight someone like Deebo, I'd definitely go for the legs. Everyone who trains in Muay Thai or something similar knows how weak untrained legs are to kicks from a trained person.

Yes, if he's unusually strong it might be better to take the traditional inside clinch. But, if he IS shorter and you have the ability to keep a straight neck and keep your hips under you and balanced than taking the outside might still be better. There is an excise we do. One person takes the clinch while the other keeps his hands down. The object is to not get bent over, not get kneed, and not get thrown without using your hands. All by using balance and footwork. The hand can be used to hold his shoulders or waist as well as block the knee with the elbow tip but not to clinch back.

Try it. take the outside clinch, dig your elbows into the other guys peck muscles pushing out a little. and squeeze your arms and elbows together while pulling down on the top back of his head, make sure your straight like a bamboo, very important. This crushes the posture of the other guy specially if he is shorter.

[geek4life]

I have a brown belt in TKD and i've been practicing MT for almost 2 years, so i have a lot of experience in this.

TKD/Karate roundhouse kick is more control, faster, and less powerful, and it looks like a whip. This kick is good for point sparring competition.

MT roundhouse is more wild, slower, and very powerful like a baseball bat. This kick is good for self defense and knockout sparring.

This post has been edited by geek4life: Jul 2 2009, 01:29 AM