Korea's new beginning - a relationship witnh China that benefits e Options

[DewDrop]

The Chinese are coming, and you and I know it too, but is it too soon to declare war is over and it's soon is victory?

As far as the Chinese century is concerned, I personally believe that Korea will be one of China's truest and greatest allies.

A China-Korea dynamicism will be mutually benefitial, and promote mutual understanding between our two great civilizations.

Now that the US is literally teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, and is funding it's far flung fruitless battles with exaggerated dictatorship threats and 'islamic insurgents' using Chinese bankroll.

How can you seriously become and continue to be an Imperial power when you are heavily indebted to your primary geostrategic rival, the PRC?

When the Chinese restore pride to East Asians in general, I believe it is the KOREANS that will be first in line to reap the rewards of a Chinese century.

Here is to ten thousand years of Chinese-Korean friendship! Wan Sui, Wan Sui, Wan wan Sui!

[taebum]

Korea can benefit from China's dominance , well That's as long as Korea could offer things that China can't.
Nowawayd the Korean trading surplus from China is from the supply materials and parts to China's manufacturing sectors. So its in the end for the China's export and industry.

When China finds Korea has nothing to offer to them, I can imagine how China would look at Korea.

But mentoning that China will replace the US position , its too early and unrealistic IMO.
I personally believe EU is considered more equal rival to US once you know their economic infleunce and system that could support their independency. Forget about their financially hard issues , its just just for their currency value and their diet on the excessive welfare system and many more to extract their embedded problems.

You need to know the fact that China is one part of the US-led global economy that designed by US.
If you know China's dependency on US market and how much it occupies the share of their GDP and how US influences the price of the consumed food in Chinese domestic market. And there are many more.

US learned ,to maintain their power of the empire , they always need to emphasize the power of enemy or rival to alert its national people like they did to Germany ,Soviet and Japan ,otherwise they think they will colapse quickly like Rome did.

You know who actually funded the German weapon industry during the WWII and how high class nazis loved British Stering even during the midst of the war of their air bombing campaign on London.
When third reich fallen , most Germans wanted to surrender to US/Britain not French nor Russia.

This is what the manipulators who decide the main things of US major policy learned from Rome Empire and they always try to keep this in their mind.

So they always try to exaggerate the rival's power .
Even if China gone (though I believe China will be mentioned as true rival of US for long decade from now on as it could really offer many things that can match and benefit US ) , they try to look for other rival like India or Brazil whomever they find easy to portray as their threatening rivals.

P.S I am not anti-China.

[Minq]

It's a shame because this messy leftover from the Cold War is an exception to a largely positive historical relationship.

[KraterosHellas]

koreans, japanese, taiwanese, hong kongers, vietnamese all belong to the china world called the sinosphere. the sooner they make friends and reforge alliances, the better

[tom2011]

^u are sooooooooo delusional to think that china would even want to annex korea.

And you are so delusional to think that Asian European Union will work. It will never work because of these reasons:

1) Asia's different political levels where democracy cannot mix and cannot work with totalitarinism. To have one government for one continent, you need a political consensus. Do you really think South Koreans would take orders from a Communist China with serious human rights issues?

2) Asia's different economic income levels that are so vastly different. Do you think opening the borders, will mean there will be no rush of humanity from poor parts of Asia into richer parts? Do you think richer Asians would like to see influx of poor Asians into their countries?

3) And because of the vast economic differences, the common currency will not work. It won't work because poorer Asian countries will need their currency value low so that they can export and grow. If they don't have that advantage anymore, then they're screwed. The EU's monetary and debt disaster has proven that common currency does not work. And even many in the EU want to scrap it. What makes you think the Asians will be able to succeed where Europeans (whose conditions were far more closer to each other than the situation in Asia), failed?

4) Historical differences and nationalism in Asia. Let's not go there again, but enough said.

5) Chinese supramist attitude and cultural chauvinism vis a vie rest of Asia. Chinese ideal of the Yellow Union is one Asian union under China as the leader, with the rest subservient partners beholden to China's wishes and rules set out by China - sort of like Korea paying off the gangster protection money, or paying modern day material tributes. Chinese still can't let go of the past, they want the return of the past in Asia. Korea on the other hand, have a different ideal - they want an equal partnership and cooperation from the Chinese based on mutual respect - something the Chinese are not interested because they still view Koreans as their slaves and servants.

Sorry, but that last point breaks the last straw. it will not work for S. Korea.

[Captain Corea]

koreans, japanese, taiwanese, hong kongers, vietnamese all belong to the china world called the sinosphere. the sooner they make friends and reforge alliances, the better

Some one's got delusions of gradeur.

You know where you can shove that sphere, right?

[tom2011]

Some one's got delusions of gradeur.

You know where you can shove that sphere, right?

And that brings us back to point number 5 in my above post. The ideal of EU and other kinds of union is that every country in that union have mutual respect for each others countries.

But as if we will welcome China to boss us around, while we're bent over, and end up licking their boot. That's the ultimate fantasy of today's young Chinese nationalists overseas.

This post has been edited by tom2011: Apr 2 2011, 06:47 AM

[Pessoptimistic]

koreans, japanese, taiwanese, hong kongers, vietnamese all belong to the china world called the sinosphere. the sooner they make friends and reforge alliances, the better

that kind of union will never work

This post has been edited by Pessoptimistic: Apr 2 2011, 06:57 AM

[zoopiter]

koreans, japanese, taiwanese, hong kongers, vietnamese all belong to the china world called the sinosphere. the sooner they make friends and reforge alliances, the better

well, so much so for the western imperialism u r always talking about.

[ElapsePride]

koreans, japanese, taiwanese, hong kongers, vietnamese all belong to the china world called the sinosphere. the sooner they make friends and reforge alliances, the better

I wouldn't say it will never happen but it's certainly not likely to happen for at least another century or so because people don't trust each other, almost at all
the communist China is playing with fire by manipulating nationalism in the country, it may consolidate it's regime in the short term, but cause troubles in the long term

[SantaKlaws]

koreans, japanese, taiwanese, hong kongers, vietnamese all belong to the china world called the sinosphere. the sooner they make friends and reforge alliances, the better

That's what delusional Chinese imperialists think. I don't mind the particular countries you mentioned, but just take China(PRC) out of this "alliance".

[KaptainAmeriKa]

koreans, japanese, taiwanese, hong kongers, vietnamese all belong to the china world called the sinosphere. the sooner they make friends and reforge alliances, the better

Another delusional member of the communist dictator party.

[DewDrop]

China did not become as successful as she is as a land empire by alienating her neighbors and creating a counter-coalition in Asia.

I understand the prolific diplomatic prowess of the Chinese top leadership, and they know what is the best for our nation.

I have zero resentment against K nationalist on this board, because I know deep down in my heart, the rest of East Asia will fall into line in no time.

That, I am 100% sure of.

Keep on bashing China brothers. Your progeny will be preaching a different gospel soon enough.

This post has been edited by DewDrop: Apr 2 2011, 03:17 PM

[Pessoptimistic]

China did not become as successful as she is as a land empire by alienating her neighbors and creating a counter-coalition in Asia.

I understand the prolific diplomatic prowess of the Chinese top leadership, and they know what is the best for our nation.

I have zero resentment against K nationalist on this board, because I know deep down in my heart, the rest of East Asia will fall into line in no time.

That, I am 100% sure of.

Keep on bashing China brothers. Your progeny will be preaching a different gospel soon enough.

unfortunately, you won't be alive to see it if it even does happen (which it wont).

This post has been edited by Pessoptimistic: Apr 2 2011, 03:20 PM

[faydabakery]

koreans, japanese, taiwanese, hong kongers, vietnamese all belong to the china world called the sinosphere. the sooner they make friends and reforge alliances, the better

dude.. what are u doing? lol.

[tom2011]

dude.. what are u doing? lol.

Just replace "Japanese Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere Empire" with the "Asian Sinosphere Alliance" - and you got what it sounds like. China is like Japan of 1910 - 1930 with a military dictatorship building up its arms and might to be used to further their nationalistic dream of uniting Asia under their rule and/or influence. It's a wet dream for the Chinese overseas nationalists, but a nightmare for the rest of Asia which have to put up with a country of 1.5 billion masses of people who are now demanding China to be "respected".

[KaptainAmeriKa]

Under China's power we've got North Korea. That is not what the people want. SK is far better off without China's control.

This post has been edited by KaptainAmeriKa: Apr 2 2011, 10:06 PM

[HotdogLotion]

Just replace "Japanese Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere Empire" with the "Asian Sinosphere Alliance" - and you got what it sounds like. China is like Japan of 1910 - 1930 with a military dictatorship building up its arms and might to be used to further their nationalistic dream of uniting Asia under their rule and/or influence. It's a wet dream for the Chinese overseas nationalists, but a nightmare for the rest of Asia which have to put up with a country of 1.5 billion masses of people who are now demanding China to be "respected".

no....it's different. Chinese population is 2/3 of East Asian population. China was and will be a natural leader of the region with or without SK's aggreement.
And I doubt South Koreans understand China's strategy. China's ruling elites have no real intend to lure SK into China's camp because SK is not strategically important to China. (the GDP of Canton province alone will be bigger than SK by 2015. How important SK can be to China?) China's only strategic goal with regard to 2 Koreas is to keep them separated and stable. Turing SK into Chinese ally adds no benefit to China and could alert the US.
What's very clear is that China sees SE Asia as her most important partner and will be the base members of the East Asian Bloc. Therefore, China signed a FTA with ASEAN that's very favorable to SE Asian countries. The 2nd step was to sign a FTA with Taiwan, which was done a year ago. The only two that was left out of the block is SK and Japan. All you need to pay attention to now is to take peek at the geographic location of SK and Japan. You see who has been isolated by the block by now? LOL

You wonder why Japanese Hotoyama was so eager to mingle with China, which angered the USA? LOL
Under American pressure, the new Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan reversed the course.
But Japan sure understands the game and will eventually make another turn for her own interests.

[DewDrop]

It's not like Japan's East Asian Co-Sphere Prosperity.

It's more like Sun Yat Sen's Pan-Asianism. (Sun Yat Sen's speech in Kobe, Japan on "Pan Asianism")

Seriously, you dumbasses in this board try to so hard to troll, but honestly, don't compare China with imperialistic Japan.

It's like comparing black people to Jim Crow. Who the fu-k are you to say China is imperialistic like JAPAN, when Krakatohellas is preaching Sun Yat Sen's Pan Asianism, not Japanese imperialistic hegemony..

Stupid idiots. Patronize me. If you are going to troll, pls use intellect, not say rando stupid shizzle.

This post has been edited by DewDrop: Apr 2 2011, 11:37 PM

[KraterosHellas]

China did not become as successful as she is as a land empire by alienating her neighbors and creating a counter-coalition in Asia.

I understand the prolific diplomatic prowess of the Chinese top leadership, and they know what is the best for our nation.

I have zero resentment against K nationalist on this board, because I know deep down in my heart, the rest of East Asia will fall into line in no time.

That, I am 100% sure of.

Keep on bashing China brothers. Your progeny will be preaching a different gospel soon enough.

yep. i myself am faaaaaar from being offended by k-nationalistis. they actually amuse me. to even conceive the notion that they or anyone have the slightest chance to oppose china! even america is going to soon submit to china will LOL