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[ocrapdm]

Sami have nothing to do w/ Iceland. Those pictures you posted of Sami have nothing to do w/ Iceland.

Bjork's lineage is quite mysterious that has not been properly explained but a Sami theory is the least likely explanation for her Asiatic looks, considering the total absence of Sami contact with Iceland. My theory is that Bjork has an unaccounted-for East Asian ancestor in the past few generations.

At least 30% of the entire population of Scandinavia do have a distant East Asian ancestor, according to recent genetic studies.

The "True" Europeans are the Mediterranean peoples.

This post has been edited by ocrapdm: Mar 31 2010, 05:16 AM

[walter529]

At least 30% of the entire population of Scandinavia do have a distant East Asian ancestor, according to recent genetic studies.

The "True" Europeans are the Mediterranean peoples.

How does that support the claim that Sami were the indigenous inhabitants of Iceland?

Also Bjork's physical appearance is quite different from other Icelanders. I would estimate that any East Asian ancestor she may have isn't "distant."

[afewminutesofyou...]

Native siberians are east asians



When russians invaded siberia

[crabdonut]

At least 30% of the entire population of Scandinavia do have a distant East Asian ancestor, according to recent genetic studies.

The "True" Europeans are the Mediterranean peoples.

Show some proof. Your baseless claims are completely out of nowhere all the time. And where did you get that number from anyway? Your @$$ thats where.

This post has been edited by crabdonut: Mar 31 2010, 04:21 PM

[Hi Tone]

Show some proof. Your baseless claims are completely out of nowhere all the time. And where did you get that number from anyway? Your @$$ thats where.

europeans did go through Saudi to get to europe

[eledoremassis02]

Kinda reminds me of a movie comming out that I don't think will get a wide release..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GXLnIHsB1g

[crabdonut]

The Sami blood show only European DNA

The "caucasian mummies" from China = show only East Asian DNA

COnfusing eh.

Not quite, they found both types of mummies in China.

[crabdonut]

europeans did go through Saudi to get to europe

And?

[ocrapdm]

Show some proof. Your baseless claims are completely out of nowhere all the time. And where did you get that number from anyway? Your @$$ thats where.

"One particular group of Y-STR values within R1a shows matches in Central Asia, around the Siberian Altai and Uyghur province of Western China. The recent find of Caucasian mummies in the Takla Makan deserts of the Uyghur province prove that a race of red and blond haired people with Scandinavian features, over 6' tall, once lived in this region. R1a is found at very high percentages in Western Norway, where it reaches frequencies between 23% to 30%. Some researchers believe the Icelandic Sagas, which describe a migration of a population from Asia beyond the Ural mountains, to Norway, may actually be based in fact. Thor Heyerdahl, of Kon Tiki fame, spent the remaining years of his life attempting to prove this theory -- and DNA evidence is seeming to prove him right. The Swedes have long believed this legend, and the emergence of a specific type of Scandinavian R1a with a Central Asian motif seems to support this account. "

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancest...aplogroups.html

[crabdonut]

"One particular group of Y-STR values within R1a shows matches in Central Asia, around the Siberian Altai and Uyghur province of Western China. The recent find of Caucasian mummies in the Takla Makan deserts of the Uyghur province prove that a race of red and blond haired people with Scandinavian features, over 6' tall, once lived in this region. R1a is found at very high percentages in Western Norway, where it reaches frequencies between 23% to 30%. Some researchers believe the Icelandic Sagas, which describe a migration of a population from Asia beyond the Ural mountains, to Norway, may actually be based in fact. Thor Heyerdahl, of Kon Tiki fame, spent the remaining years of his life attempting to prove this theory -- and DNA evidence is seeming to prove him right. The Swedes have long believed this legend, and the emergence of a specific type of Scandinavian R1a with a Central Asian motif seems to support this account. "

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancest...aplogroups.html

Most people think R1a comes from South Asia or possibly Central Asia. That does not prove a "distant" East Asian Ancestor. And 23% to 30% is not "At least 30% of the entire population of Scandinavia", so you admit you exaggerated to fit your agenda. Are you done yet?

This post has been edited by crabdonut: Apr 14 2010, 07:26 PM

[ocrapdm]

Most people think R1a comes from South Asia or possibly Central Asia. That does not prove a "distant" East Asian Ancestor. And 23% to 30% is not "At least 30% of the entire population of Scandinavia", so you admit you exaggerated to fit your agenda. Are you done yet?

Hey Mr. clonecd, most people in Siberia, Uyghur, and Central Asia are classified as belonging to the Mongoloid race, or "East Asian" race.

[ocrapdm]

And?

Non-Africans came by way of Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, then to the Arabian Peninsula. A split occurred somewhere here, and a group of people went to the Mediterranean coast - they are (probably) the Southern Europeans. The remainder then migrated through the coast of Iran, Pakistan, and India, and then up to Central Asia. Some of them went to Europe and eventually became the Northern Europeans of Scandinavia; the others went eastward to become the East Asians.

[crabdonut]

Hey Mr. clonecd, most people in Siberia, Uyghur, and Central Asia are classified as belonging to the Mongoloid race, or "East Asian" race.

Siberia is made up of not only what you say "Mongoloid" people but also many different groups of people speaking Indo-European languages aka "Caucasians". Furthermore, you forget that South Asia is also, along with Central Asia, the most supported origin of R1a. I'm sure you know that almost all of South Asia are composed of people you would consider "Caucasian".

Non-Africans came by way of Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, then to the Arabian Peninsula. A split occurred somewhere here, and a group of people went to the Mediterranean coast - they are (probably) the Southern Europeans. The remainder then migrated through the coast of Iran, Pakistan, and India, and then up to Central Asia. Some of them went to Europe and eventually became the Northern Europeans of Scandinavia; the others went eastward to become the East Asians.

First of all, the out of Africa theory is not completely confirmed. Second, I'm quite aware of what he meant but even if we consider the out of Africa theory to be correct, R1a had not even come in to existence yet and the people migrating haven't even developed in to "East Asians" yet when they moved to Europe hence why I think what he said was irrelevant.

Just so we're clear. I am not completely opposed to the idea that some Scandinavians may have "East Asian" ancestry, but you will need far more proof for a claim like that.

This post has been edited by crabdonut: Apr 15 2010, 02:09 AM

[ocrapdm]

Siberia is made up of not only what you say "Mongoloid" people but also many different groups of people speaking Indo-European languages aka "Caucasians". Furthermore, you forget that South Asia is also, along with Central Asia, the most supported origin of R1a. I'm sure you know that almost all of South Asia are composed of people you would consider "Caucasian".

Yup; but the study considers Siberia as being part of "Central Asia". I'm sure you also know that when anthropologists talk about Central Asia and Siberia, it refers to the indigenous people who are largely "Mongoloid" in origins.

The said study also talks about Siberians and Uyghurs, which are both considered Mongoloid.

[crabdonut]

Yup; but the study considers Siberia as being part of "Central Asia". I'm sure you also know that when anthropologists talk about Central Asia and Siberia, it refers to the indigenous people who are largely "Mongoloid" in origins.

The said study also talks about Siberians and Uyghurs, which are both considered Mongoloid.

Nope they consider it Central Asia who are composed of "Mongoloid" and "Caucasian" people. Don't make assumptions. Also you didn't explain the part about scientists also considering South Asia as the origin of R1a and South Asia is composed of mainly "Caucasians".

[ocrapdm]

Nope they consider it Central Asia who are composed of "Mongoloid" and "Caucasian" people. Don't make assumptions. Also you didn't explain the part about scientists also considering South Asia as the origin of R1a and South Asia is composed of mainly "Caucasians".

When they mentioned Siberia and Xinjiang, it means that they referred to people living there, who are classified generally as belonging to the "Mongoloid race". But yes, most of South Asia is "Caucasoid".

Although I think it properly refers to the ancestral group of both Mongoloids and Caucasoids - the Northern Eurasians (Cavalli-Sforza), as you said - but leaning more toward the Mongoloid side.

[Hugham]

Human outside Africa based on their gene are divided into 3 group of migration.

The first human migrate outside Africa known as black race. This black race is the ancestor of Indian Dravidian, Tibetan, Papua New Guinea, Australia Aborigins and Japan Ainu (may be, I'm a bit forget between Ainu or Jomon).

The second human migrate outside Africa known as brown race. This brown race is the ancestor of Arabs, Jews, Mongols-Turkic (old Asian), America Indian and Jomon Japanese. They have a huge head, the biggest head human ever had.

The third human migrate outside Africa known as white-yellow race (yellow or light brown). This white-yellow race is the ancestor of Germans, Han Chinese, SE Asians, North Indian. They called as white race because they have recessive DNA on pigment color that makes them look pale and blond hair. The came out from Africa, stay in the middle east, then move to the Central Asia. From Central Asia they move to 3 directions. One go to the Europe. The other go to North India then to S China, Indo-China and then to West Indonesia. The rest go to the North China through Xinjiang.


From the information above, that is why we can find a lot of DNA similarity between Jomon Japanese and Jews. Chinese and new Asian also have a lot of similarity with European.


About the face. If East Asian and European or Turkic and Arabs are the same people, why they look different, one is Mongoloid and the other is Causasoid. The reason is because of weather and geographic location. If Chinese live in Europe for thousands of years they will slowly became Caucasoid and vice versa. Geographic can change skin color too, from dark to white in just 100 generations if you stay in the right place.

There also mix people. Like Middle Eastern, North Chinese people, Malays, etc.

This post has been edited by Hugham: Apr 17 2010, 06:07 AM

[samnang]

bjork actually has some pretty sweet music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BML2JAFUIaw

i loved that song and video as a kid.

[JaM]

bjork actually has some pretty sweet music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BML2JAFUIaw

i loved that song and video as a kid.

I like that one too.

Anyway, what a bunch of nutty theories in this thread, and nothing to do with Hawaii.

I wonder about whether there is a real movement kind of thing that is supported by native Hawaiians in general, or if it's just some fringe thing? Is there a real wish for independence, and how much of the population of Hawaii consider themselves as native Hawaiians/Polynesians?

[crabdonut]

When they mentioned Siberia and Xinjiang, it means that they referred to people living there, who are classified generally as belonging to the "Mongoloid race". But yes, most of South Asia is "Caucasoid".

Although I think it properly refers to the ancestral group of both Mongoloids and Caucasoids - the Northern Eurasians (Cavalli-Sforza), as you said - but leaning more toward the Mongoloid side.

It doesn't matter if they're considered "Mongoloid", we all already know that they're part Caucasian and it seems that you agree with me that you didn't properly thought this through when you made that claim.