Anyone living in Malaysian please answer me, i wonder about malaysian law Options

[duanja]

Please Come answer me.
I know that Malaysia's law favours Malays concerning economics.
I dont know in concret details, if you know please tell me.
I know that Chinese and Indian whose ancestor immigrated to Malaysia are more well-off. Based on this fact, the government claim that they need to launch the law that favors Malay people.

And.....comparing the real standard of living between Thai and Malay, whose citizen are more well-off? (Dont mention the GDP....it does not show the real poverty of most of thai people.)

If anyone know...please answer me.
Thank u in advance ja.

[caramel]

I will not be 100% correct but here are my thoughts.

The Malaysia economy is in favour of the Bumiputeras which consists of Malays and other indigenious tribes due to the "disparity of wealth" between the non-Bumiputeras and Bumiputeras which is caused by the fact that during the earlier years of Malaysia, the non-Bumiputeras were mostly involved in the economic side of M'sia whereas the Bumiputeras were mostly involved in the political side.

So the politicians believe that to be fair to the Bumiputeras to catch up with the non Bumiputeras, there should be laws which are in favour to the Bumiputeras.. which I think did not succeed mainly because of cronism. Furthermore, some Bumiputeras used the advantages to gain short term profit instead of long term one. Whereas, some non Bumis take the disadvantage to work harder and make more profit.

What most politicians fail to see (or are just being plain ignorant or just want the laws to be in their favour) is that the main issue to tackle is not to make the rich Bumis even richer, but to lessen the gap between the poor and the rich in M'sia as a whole.

Even with these economic laws, the poor Bumis are not benefiting from it except maybe the 10% off property prices (and I do not think the poor ones are able to benefit much from it).

However, the government continues to support the Bumis due to their own interest. If the government will to abolish the "in favour of Bumiputera laws", do you think most of the Bumi citizens will vote for them? No obviously.

Furthermore, the current voting system is in favour of the Bumis as well. Most non Bumis are concentrated in the cities whereas the Bumis are both in the cities and in the less developed area. Both of these areas, regardless of the concentration has the same weightage (If you compare to the way they count the votes in the US you will see the difference).

In whole, I think the biggest losers are the low income and middle income Malaysians regardless of their races. Isn't that the same in Thailand?

But anyway, I am not too sure about the standard of living in Thailand. So I can't really compare. But hope you can see why the government implement such stupid rules. Self Interest. Short term benefits over long run. Also, BN (the ruling party at the moment) had been sitting on the throne for far too long and it's getting very comfortable.

This post has been edited by caramel: Oct 6 2005, 05:03 PM

[Iron Malayan]

Please Come answer me.
I know that Malaysia's law favours Malays concerning economics.
I dont know in concret details, if you know please tell me.
I know that Chinese and Indian whose ancestor immigrated to Malaysia are more well-off. Based on this fact, the government claim that they need to launch the law that favors Malay people.

Indians are well off ?

Hahaha. Good one.

Even the Chinese get to keep their retail businesses bcoz the Malay govt protect them from super efficient foreigners like Macro, Tesco and others

and favours are given to Malays bcoz we are the only race who are capable of building and defending this nation.

Malays are proud bcoz we are the most technologically advanced race in SEAsia and we are fully in control of our nation

just like you Thais are proud of your ethnic Chinese Prime Minister.

And.....comparing the real standard of living between Thai and Malay, whose citizen are more well-off? (Dont mention the GDP....it does not show the real poverty of most of thai people.)

I don't want to make fun of you anymore so figure this out yourself.

[duanja]

Thank you for enlighten me na ka.
I am stupid by thinking that Indian are more well-off in Malaysia ?
I reallt don't know if i say something look funny to you.
I just figured out by comparing to thailand ka.
Indian in thailand is also rich...(comparing to ordianary thai)...though chinese are much richer.

Indian in Thai is famous in the business of garment; and secretly lending money to the poor with 100 % profit in the long run. Coz the poor dont have opportunity to borrow money from the bank ka.

All of you enlightens my ignorance. I appreciate your idea.
ANY mORE suggestions of about the Concrete Details of the economic law which are biased ? (still lacking)

(...I confess that do not concern about the business of the our neighbour's country untill recently. I think you all know that there is a kind of Insurgency or Terrorism (if u hate) in four provinces in Southern Thailand whose border connect with Malaysia. Thai seems to have conflicts with Malaysia. The newest issue is that people in the southern Thailand, whom Thai government claim to be "suspected Terrorist" or Insurgency if you like, immigrated to Malaysia. Since Malaysia denies to send them back to Thailand, some of Thai people are discontented and avow that they will not support Malaysia's product....)

Well...i never go to Malaysia. How can I compare the standard of living between Thai and Malays. I should visit Malay one day if i have money na.
Let us compare by this way....Income And the average costs of living.

Taksin has just define who get 50 baht per day is the poor.
but i think that in the Big City, 200 Baht should be considered the poor .
Coz the average cost of living in urban is 200.
They will not have any saving and they cannot enjoy a lifestyle.(by this, i mean travel, hobby, movies, a car.) but they can afford through borrowing money)

In the small city, i think below 100 should be considered the poor.
So share me about things in Malaysia.......
Actually, many Thai think that Thai are better than our neighbour countries such as Burma, Lao, Cambodia, Vietnam, and perhaps Malaysia.

This post has been edited by duanja: Oct 7 2005, 12:15 AM

[samheisfl]

Another reason why government help the bumis is beccause of the 13th may 1969 incident. During that time, our first prime minister doesn't concern much about the bumis.

On the 13th May 1969, there's been a riot. A really big riot between races. In penang, a bunch of Malay people were burnt down in cinema. In villages, the chinese were slain.

But this incident happen? At that time, the chinese holds the of our country wealth more than 50% if i not mistaken while the malays only holds 4-5% or may be less. The riot happens because there are some politicians using this issue to gain popularity.

There has been jealousy between these two races since the bumis has their privillaged while the chinese holds the economy. The riot happens because of this and because of stupidity of some politician.

Though the government is helping the malays, in my opinion, its not gonna be forever. The government sets target 30% of the country's wealth for the Bumis. Now the Bumis holds nearly 19%. After the bumis holds 30%, i believe that a lot of Bumis privillaged in education and economy will gone acception in the political part.

I've heard a rumors said that all the bumis privillaged which is the social contract should end by 2000. But the malays didn't perform well so it was extended. Seriously, i dont think the malays want to be spoonfed forever.

In Malaysia, If the family income less that RM 400 = 4000 baht, they can be considered poor. But in the big cities especially K.L, i think if your income is just RM1500 = 15000 baht, you just can survive only. Not so much entertainment you can afford.

Correct me if i'm wrong please...

[caramel]

I heard that the 19% got stagnant for quite a long time. Hence, many said that the government is trying to hide some figures from the citizens.

I've read somewhere as well that during the earlier years of M'sia, the Malays are less involved because the government entities are supporting the Malays. Hence, the lower figure of Malays getting involved in the economy. However, during the Mahathir era, there was privatisation in most public entities. Which made most of the citizens suffer because the private entities are acting to their own interest, there was cronism and the government was bailing them out when they lose money. The privatisation was to the interest of the ruling party instead for M'sia.

I really hope that the cronism would end as I do not hope that M'sia would fall like how Indonesia did during the Suharto regime.

But the outlooks of M'sia is pretty good at the moment. Hopefully no one does anything funny. Hehe.

[malaccan]

Wut dii khrab duanja

Just two posts in A so far? Welcome na khrab

Just want to say that one of Malaysia's most daughters who has made Thailand her home is Mrs Balbir. She runs Mrs Balbir's Indian Restaurant near Th Sukumvit. Her parents were victims of the dreadful May 13th incident and her grandaprents sent her to Bangkok to find a nice Singh husband there. I think it's a great story of how success can come from such tragic adversity.

The current Thai-Malaysia spat? LOL. Makes not a single difference to me and my Thai friends. Because we know each other as opposed to some Malaysians and Thais who only vent their frustrations in local forums.

[johnleemk]

There are two problems with the affirmative action policies in general:
1. All Bumiputras benefit, regardless of economic standing; if you're a Bumi, you can get a discount on your second mansion or fifth limousine.
2. Even so, most benefits such as permits for importing cars (effectively a license to print money) are handed out only to selected Bumis who have friends in the government.

The concept of the social contract itself is problematic because it implies some Malaysians are less Malaysian than others. You can be a Bumiputra drug addict, but because of your "birthright" you are more Malaysian and hence entitled to more economic benefits than an Indian rubber tapper toiling to feed his family or a Chinese hawker who can barely pay the bills.

Even our non-Bumiputra war veterans and dead soldiers are still viewed as owing the country a debt for their citizenship under the terms of the mysterious social contract that isn't explicitly mentioned in any piece of legislation, let alone the constitution.

[malaccan]

There are two problems with the affirmative action policies in general:
1. All Bumiputras benefit, regardless of economic standing; if you're a Bumi, you can get a discount on your second mansion or fifth limousine.
2. Even so, most benefits such as permits for importing cars (effectively a license to print money) are handed out only to selected Bumis who have friends in the government.

The concept of the social contract itself is problematic because it implies some Malaysians are less Malaysian than others. You can be a Bumiputra drug addict, but because of your "birthright" you are more Malaysian and hence entitled to more economic benefits than an Indian rubber tapper toiling to feed his family or a Chinese hawker who can barely pay the bills.

Even our non-Bumiputra war veterans and dead soldiers are still viewed as owing the country a debt for their citizenship under the terms of the mysterious social contract that isn't explicitly mentioned in any piece of legislation, let alone the constitution.

Agree. The main impetus for change has got to come from us Malays. I have benefited from the bumiputera policy johnleemk. But I know that even without it, I can excel with no problems. the intentions were good, but it's time that it is fine-tuned to include all races. The true segregating factor among malaysians now is not really race, it is social class. Many of my Malay friends quietly agree with my stand, but they somehow never feel the need to express them. But yes, they are also people who call me petualang bangsa!! Dear oh dear.

[johnleemk]

I don't fault Malays in general for this problem; I blame Mahathir for institutionalising something that could have died out when its time came. Instead, this anachronism of a social contract and cancer of Malay cronyism continue to live on.

[caramel]

@malaccan: Yup. My Malay friend was also called a petualang bangsa. Sometimes I feel like giving these people some smack on their face to wake them up.

@johnleemk: Sigh. How much I do not want to admit but things that you said are true.


Editted: Damn grammar can bring a totally different meaning.

This post has been edited by caramel: Oct 11 2005, 05:55 PM

[mat kilau]

@malaccan: Yup. My Malay friend was also petualang bangsa. Sometimes I feel like giving these people some smack on their face to wake them up.

try lar if you dare

[caramel]

^Aiks. What I meant was my Malay friend was also called a petualang bangsa. Just because she sometimes fights for non Malays.

I feel like giving the people who called her that a smack to wake them up. Unfortunately, I do not know who they are.

[Bodyslam]

About the southern insurgency in thailand.
I saw many campaigns in famous Thai Webboard against the Malasian goods. The hatred to malasian have increase so much throughout the Thai People.

[Bodyslam]

duanja

If you would like to compare income distribution between the people in each country. You can use "the Gini coefficient" and if you would like to compare income of purchasing power between the two country. You can use "Purchasing power parity" to compare between Thailand and Malaysia. You can not just convert the Thai Bath into Ringgit. Because the exchange rate will blind your perception. According to the data from CIA website. The Per captia income between Thailand and Malaysia is not difference so much. The two country is in the same category and not far from each other.

[no future nation]

Troll Banned

This post has been edited by BatangDamo: Jun 30 2006, 07:33 AM

[RatPunK]

hello, people..

Dear iron_malaysia... u have quoted that Malays are proud bcoz we are the most technologically advanced race in SEAsia and we are fully in control of our nation


man... dude! most of the technolgy malaysis uses is FORIEGN!! And The owners are NON_MALAYS.. like for instance ASTRO ha!

Dude, almost all malaysian prime ministers are/were mixed... they were/are not pure malays.. if only they were.. i bet malaysia will be only involved wiith belacan!

by the way, Indians are not that well of in malaysia only la macha!

They are doing well in the other parts of the world! HEy, people dont even know where malaysia is, or what malay is!! LOL

They know, chinese and indians... but malays.. what the hell is that?? is it some kind of Food??

Your national car, is it 100% malaysian???? LOL....

hmm... what else.. hey u know what.. statistics states, a Small country like singapore will onlyt need 48 hours to demolish malaysia!!!

Dictionary defines malays as LAZY people (oh hell yes, they are)

There is a joke,

to get a chinese gal, u have to have a honda, or BMWQ
to get an indian gal, u hafta be Doctor,lwyer or an engineer
to get a malay gal... you only hafta buy her a ramly burger


okay now let me come to the point....

regarding the bumiputra thingy

yes, malays do benefit alot from this bumiputra plan

man... they get to buy house cheaper.... they get to enter UM easily ( no wonder Um ranking went down massively)

we non-malays work our @$$ off... to educate our children...
we pay income tax.. and these money government uses to support the bumis
Government spends alot for teh Bumis...
for the bumis studying abroad get a laptop, a handphone and monthly USD300

and US? non-malays??

these are the reasons why there is such hatred against the malays....

so just imagine, if the were no such plan (bumiputra plan)
what will the malays do? sell nasi lemak? catch fish and sell ikan kering and do belacan

wakakakakaka

iron malaysia, u are such a joker

[swingdoctor]

Forgive my ignorance but what is a petualang bangsa? I know what bangsa menas but not petualang.

[rudravarman2]

you're absolutely right RatPunK. i cant believe these idiots can shamelessly claim they are the most technologically advanced in this region. the malays wouldnt even be living in the cities in malaysia if it werent for all their bumiputra plans. they know for a fact that on a level playing field, they would never be able to compete with the indians and chinese.
its true that indians arent doing well in malaysia, and like you said its only in malaysia that they are not doing well. indians are the most successful minority community in america and uk, where they do practice a meritocracy, unlike malaysia.
the malays dont even have a history to be proud of. they are hardly mentioned in any world history book. but the indians and chinese have such long and glorious histories to be proud of. while the chinese can be proud of their Great Wall and indians of their Taj Mahal, all the malays can be proud of is rumah kampung.
just to reiterate the abilities of malays. if you give a malay (Tajuddin Ramli) a respectable and profitable airline (MAS), he will destroy it and bring it to its knees, and wait for the government to save him. if you give a struggling two-aircraft airline (AirAsia) to an indian (Tony Fernandes), he will turn it into the best budget airline in Asia.
even after all their discriminatory plans, the chinese and indians still have a disproportianately high amount of doctors, lawyers, engineers and businessman in this country. need i remind anyone that the two richest men in malaysia are a chinese and an indian.

[ricochet]

you're absolutely right RatPunK. i cant believe these idiots can shamelessly claim they are the most technologically advanced in this region. the malays wouldnt even be living in the cities in malaysia if it werent for all their bumiputra plans. they know for a fact that on a level playing field, they would never be able to compete with the indians and chinese.
its true that indians arent doing well in malaysia, and like you said its only in malaysia that they are not doing well. indians are the most successful minority community in america and uk, where they do practice a meritocracy, unlike malaysia.
the malays dont even have a history to be proud of. they are hardly mentioned in any world history book. but the indians and chinese have such long and glorious histories to be proud of. while the chinese can be proud of their Great Wall and indians of their Taj Mahal, all the malays can be proud of is rumah kampung.
just to reiterate the abilities of malays. if you give a malay (Tajuddin Ramli) a respectable and profitable airline (MAS), he will destroy it and bring it to its knees, and wait for the government to save him. if you give a struggling two-aircraft airline (AirAsia) to an indian (Tony Fernandes), he will turn it into the best budget airline in Asia.
even after all their discriminatory plans, the chinese and indians still have a disproportianately high amount of doctors, lawyers, engineers and businessman in this country. need i remind anyone that the two richest men in malaysia are a chinese and an indian.

must be another indian mama trying to flame