Cambodian Elite & their Rich Kids & Destruction of Cambodia, Cambodia is hopeless as long as these leeches are still in power Options

[Nikkie_nid]

There are goods and bads in any of these so-called political leaders. To say that Sam Ransey is the better than Hun Sen is an overgeneralization and short sighted. It's like saying Sam Ransey is never corrupt and Hun Sen is never good.

About those rich kids..............yeah most of them are spoilled pretty badly. But there are a few good ones. The way I see it: just like their parents', their days
are also numbered. If they don't start getting their acts together and setting up a future/career, they'd probably end up in the worst way.

Some of them are generous, but it depends on their origin. And again, I support my early arguments about their aristocratic background...

[preahvihear]

There are several points people are making mistakes about me. First of all, most people think I'm a girl... no I'm a boy.

Well, you should not be wearing a typical female name as your username then.

Second is that I'm supporting CPP... truth is that I'm supporting my opinion.

When your opinion is clearly biased toward CPP then it is natural that people will consider you a part of the CPP system.

Finally is that I'm a rich kid... I'm more of the opposite.

If you say so.

I could sometimes seems like politically bias toward one side. But as long as you guys can present me a pure, convincing reason then there is no reason to deny it.

So now do you still think that Cambodia does not lose any part of its current territory to Vietnam and Sam Rainsy's action is evil against the established law of the CPP? Your bashing of Sam Rainsy and his party littered the forum. That is why people think that you are not a fairminded person. You argued for the defense of Cambodian territory against the Thai encroachment, but todate you have never argued for the defense of Cambodian territory against the Vietnamese encroachment. So how come?

I agree that some rich kids here spend the amount of money poor people could not even earn. Talking about that, I would think that they seems less care about the problems. No! They don't care... and I witness a lot of mistreating. I could say I was sometimes a victim of such acts.

Tell us more about your experience of mistreatment at the hands of these rich obnoxious kids.

But in my own opinion, I would not blame them alone. First is that we will blame the government who is not able to handle the difference between the rich and poor more effectively and that injustice does occur in the first place. Second is that the rich family they are owning money from the poor people. Finally, the society. We should also see the society and its flaw... because Khmer society exists for many years and "classes" also follow its existence. We learn the word "slave" and it was not only for Khmer society, the whole world uses it.

The Khmer society and its classes??? You mean the Funan society was the same as the Chenla society and the Chenla society was the same as Angkorean society and the Angkorean society was the same as the Post Angkorean society and the Post Angkorean society was the same as the French Colonial Cambodian society and the French Colonial Cambodian society was the same as Sihanouk regime and Sihanouk regime was the same as Lon Nol regime and Lon Nol regime was the same as Pol Pot regime and Pol Pot regime was the same as Hun Sen regime??? Pol Pot already did away with "classes". So what classes are you talking about? In fact, if you want to talk about class, then Hun Sen is still of the lower class and all of the newly rich Cambodians are still of the lowe class. All you need to do is to trace these people's family lines back to the French colonial Cambodia. If they aint $hit during that time, then they aint $hit now. As far as I know Cambodian law through the ages does not allow slavery. So what slavery are you talking about. You need to correct your view that the whole world uses slavery. You might land yourself in jail say in a country of Japan if you say you own slaves.

And I also see the current social system as a supporting pillar for the rich, because even though the poor are allowed free education in the primary level, they are struggling with the social needs which lead them to abandon education, which is the key to their escape from poverty. And above all, much to your guys interest, corruption is the great obstacles for the poors to "challenge" the riches. I'm also powerless against that. You can blame me but what's next?

Society is a human invention and institutions are also human invention. Since you know so much of the Cambodian societal classes then you should understand this simple concept. You are not powerless. You need to vote for a new party to lead Cambodia and to make it a place of growth, prosperity, and justice and equality before the law. You can be as educated as you can be, but if there are no opportunities for you to grow, then you will become useless just the same. Look at all the educated people during the Pol Pot's era. What had become of them?

My resolution is not clear. We are the losers because we are weak. So what I'm focusing is my studying. Well then! I could become rich and your target of bashing. But for me, the future in within us all and we are the part of it.

You totally lose it there, Nikki. Just because you are rich and you think you will be the target of bashing, you are wrong. We need good honest hardworking rich people who have a culture of providing services, creating jobs, investing in industries, research, science, projects, etc. If you are rich as a result of stealing Cambodia's national resources, bribery, extortion, oppression, and abuse of the poor, then you are not rich.

By the way, some of your understanding are outdated.

[snookman]

But, improving anyone but ME is not the goal of most people. Their belief system basically boils down to "me me me."

And, the same behavior that led to the Khmer rouge rising up and killing the elite once looks like it's on track to happen again.

There is only so long that you walk all over poor people with your 5,000 dollar shoes before they get together and decide to cut your legs off.

Looks like Cambodia hasn't changed.

But, this isn't just how it is in Cambodia. This is how it is almost anywhere you have rich folks. If grinding up poor people to feed to their pet dogs would make them more money, many of them would do it.

"Oh, it's not my responsibility" Sure. Believe that all you want, but it can get you and your whole class deader than dead. It already happened once in Cambodia. Hope they smarten up before it happens again.

What's funny is that there seems to be no limit to people's greed. When does it become enough to be a millionaire? A billionaire? A trillionaire?

When do you have enough that you finally say "Hey, I can afford to help other people get ahead! I can help my country out?

For many people, that level never seems to happen. If they have 20 bucks and they could help some poor kid on the street, for about 1/100th of a cent, they don't.

If they have 100 and could help their mother out for 10 bucks, they don't.

If they have a 1000... etc.

I have seen it all my life. So have you. In countries like Cambodia it might be more obvious, but it happens everywhere.

thats exactly it. khmer rouge were basically the poor country people who didnt want to be economically exploited and probably face the same type of persecution that the current structure is holding now. basically, this is all they know. this is all cambodia knows. that is the sad reality and why i believe the communist revolution was much worse in cambodia then anywhere else. the communist manifesto is of that, the working poor class get fed up of all the rich people in cambodia controlling everything and then they revolt to overthrow the bougousie class and then everything will be equal. what transpired after the revolution was a decade of no growth because cambodia was closed to the free market world. then when china opened and vietnam opened. cambodia followed because they realized that no growth wont occur unless they open.

here's the thing though why the current system is worse. its worse because we have to start from scratch and because of that, we have to depend on everyone else to help cause. this is where vietnam comes in but nothing is free. thats why the current government has to turn the other cheek whenever hanoi wants something for their own development.

the wrong thinking for the khmer rouge was that the old structure was actually good. the reason why money wasnt allocated properly was because we were still developing. but we were developing better then now imo. the streets were clean back then. we had our own factories, educational institutions, our own doctors and professionals, our own government and military. from what i heard, before the revolution, we were the number one rice exporter in the world. our riel was the same value as the dollar. phnom penh was known as paris of the east because of how clean and organize the city was. we had structure. the khmer rouge didnt realize that their lack of economic power was not because they didnt have access but because development takes time. these are just my opinion. why else would the people who survive the genocide have so much anamosity towards cambodia. even chinese cambodians went anti china because they feel it was china that brought this upon cambodia from what i heard about them protesting.

the point is i agree that the way we treat rich and poor people is probably the reason why the communist manifesto in cambodia was worse then anywhere else. yet, the current government is doing the same thing they fought against. thats because, THIS IS ALL THEY KNOW.

[snookman]

also, thats why its up to us cambodians who are living in the rich democratic nations to go back to cambodia and to show the people how to live civilized in a developing society. educate them by both lecturing them and also showing them. for instance, americans are the biggest tippers in this world. yes, many would question why do i have to tip. but, if u look at tipping, its actually a good system. it creates decent jobs for people who are hustling and bustling their butts to serve u for minimum wage. so tipping allows them to make a decent living, doing what they do. then they themselves can use that money to buy things for themselves which contributes to the economy. for instance, u own a flower store and u go eat at a restaurant and u tip the guy there. he then goes to your flower shop to buy flowers for his girlfriend. the money goes around and keeps the economy going.

the point is as an example is when i go to cambodia, i tip the workers there and many are so happy because they dont make a lot hourly. my homegirl from cambodia who is living in the states for about three years now said thats because people dont get tipped often. she has become a strong believer in tipping and when she went back, she tipped big on their standards. i heard now, the custom has caught on and some people are tipping now. my homegirl tells people when she goes there and spends dollars and say she spends five dollars for a meal. some people will tip like 1000 riel (25cents). she on the other hand will give one or two dollars. her mother said why so much. she said in america, we tip even more then that. if i do it over there as a custom, why not do it here. this way, it allows your average worker to make a decent living and most importantly they pick up the manner of sharing and gratitude. this will allow those students who work and go to school to understand the importance of gratitude and they when they become working class professionals in cambodia, they understand the importance of keeping such system in place. this is how many college students in america pay their way through college. we cambodians that are expose to the modern world should feel bless for what we have and we have the chance to make a change in our own country by exposing them to the positive lifestyle of living in a wealthy society.

[Kingkhmer]

There are several points people are making mistakes about me.

First of all, most people think I'm a girl... no I'm a boy.

Second is that I'm supporting CPP... truth is that I'm supporting my opinion.

Finally is that I'm a rich kid... I'm more of the opposite.

I wouldn't mind people making bad comments about me and my opinion. I've been through this ever since I start posting here. Not only against anti-government people, but I also sometimes get involved in war of words with Thai and Vietnamese people, as well as my personal arguments.

I could sometimes seems like politically bias toward one side. But as long as you guys can present me a pure, convincing reason then there is no reason to deny it.

KhmerKing sent me a beautiful message but that was just too normal for me. I'll response with a greeting.

Now back to the topic...

I agree that some rich kids here spend the amount of money poor people could not even earn. Talking about that, I would think that they seems less care about the problems. No! They don't care... and I witness a lot of mistreating. I could say I was sometimes a victim of such acts.

But in my own opinion, I would not blame them alone. First is that we will blame the government who is not able to handle the difference between the rich and poor more effectively and that injustice does occur in the first place. Second is that the rich family they are owning money from the poor people. Finally, the society. We should also see the society and its flaw... because Khmer society exists for many years and "classes" also follow its existence. We learn the word "slave" and it was not only for Khmer society, the whole world uses it.

And I also see the current social system as a supporting pillar for the rich, because even though the poor are allowed free education in the primary level, they are struggling with the social needs which lead them to abandon education, which is the key to their escape from poverty. And above all, much to your guys interest, corruption is the great obstacles for the poors to "challenge" the riches. I'm also powerless against that. You can blame me but what's next?

My resolution is not clear. We are the losers because we are weak. So what I'm focusing is my studying. Well then! I could become rich and your target of bashing. But for me, the future in within us all and we are the part of it.

Mr.CPP, so u like my massages that I sent to u.

[ArtphotoasiA]

the reason why money wasnt allocated properly was because we were still developing. but we were developing better then now imo. the streets were clean back then. we had our own factories, educational institutions, our own doctors and professionals, our own government and military. from what i heard, before the revolution, we were the number one rice exporter in the world. our riel was the same value as the dollar. phnom penh was known as paris of the east because of how clean and organize the city was. we had structure. the khmer rouge didnt realize that their lack of economic power was not because they didnt have access but because development takes time. these are just my opinion. why else would the people who survive the genocide have so much anamosity towards cambodia. even chinese cambodians went anti china because they feel it was china that brought this upon cambodia from what i heard about them protesting.

I have been in cambodia in 2001 quite long time ago... I was amazed by so many things... but I never though that development is matter of time... probably it should be but is not! Example here in Italy we are going back... 2000 years of history ??? and now??? Cambodia also had a great history.... and now???

Time is not matter... social awarnees, culture, and knowledge it is.... but all this factors can drammatically change.

This post has been edited by ArtphotoasiA: Dec 28 2009, 10:30 AM

[snookman]

I have been in cambodia in 2001 quite long time ago... I was amazed by so many things... but I never though that development is matter of time... probably it should be but is not! Example here in Italy we are going back... 2000 years of history ??? and now??? Cambodia also had a great history.... and now???

Time is not matter... social awarnees, culture, and knowledge it is.... but all this factors can drammatically change.

yes, economic development takes time. but also, it takes responsible leaders to ensure that quality jobs are created for the people.

This post has been edited by snookman: Dec 28 2009, 04:57 PM

[ArtphotoasiA]

what i mean by development is economic development. for instance, the more money in a country means they have a certain amount of gdp. but also, gdp per capita determines how the gdp in the country is allocated through jobs and how companies and government is paying their workers. thus, gdp per capita gives an idea what u can expect an average worker to make. all of these grows as money is accumulated. but like i said, it all comes down to how the people at the top decide to use that money. will the rich just sit on it or will they create jobs that pay a suitable wage. will the government use tax money to create jobs such as hiring people to pick up trash and giving them benefits as well as a suitable wage or salary. these are the responsibilities of a responsible government. the problem with the current system is that they dont use money for what its suppose to be use for at times. they just pocket it. how bad can u be when angelina jolie donates a million dollars to build an orphanage and the money is pocketed by government officials. how blatant can u be. its like the people have no other idea on how things work. that is why i call the people "srai". no disrespect, but it is what it is.

my homegirl from srok khmer living in america now said that there was a government official in phnom penh that when he had power, was cleaning up the streets and picking up trash. how did he do that, he use government money to create jobs for people to pick up trash. now people have jobs. but, his peers didnt like it cause it was cutting into their money so they cut him loose.

its like imagine if all the teachers, doctors, professors, businessmen, scientists, were eliminated by uneducated ghetto people and then they ran the country in your developed country.

cambodia is so backwards right now. all we can do is hope that the current government gets full and decides that its time to make a change.

I understand what do you mean... Cambodia was so unlucky... I read a lot about... most of all you all deserve justice and freedom now....
also here in Italy we are waiting changes...

there is always hope...

[GrillPorkOnRice]

Some of those that put their comments here might have never been to Cambodia or maybe came here a few times... most people here might also not living in Cambodia, that's my guess for now... below is my response.

I live in Cambodia for nearly 30 years, born here, educated partly local and partly abroad. I witness Cambodia developments, either into democracy, economic, or sometimes into war until now. My perception toward Cambodia stability is that we only achieve a real peace at the end of the 21st century, which is about 10 years. Remember when there were more than one governments before 1999 when there were Khmer Rouge in the jungle, there were Khmer Sar(White), etc... So who is here to justify that Cambodia has been long at peace for 30 years? And within the beginning of those years from 1979, who was helping Cambodia to build schools, hospitals, institutions, etc... ? The western? oh well, not until they realized the Khmer Rouge regime was genocide, which is around the election of 1993? When did the US assist Cambodia in development assistances started again beside their supports to the Khmer Rouge at the UN table and with the aim of overthrowing the CPP government because they wanted to have their Democracy influence in South East Asia? maybe that is around the late 1990s and early 2000s.

So yeah, who taught us to get corrupt with all those loggings? If CPP knew that, they would have done it even before the 1993. Or is it because the value of those weren't attractive or those logs weren't seen as valuable to buyers yet? I think those corruption starts from FCP when they introduced all those real and so-call-educated people into Cambodia along with their foreign friends with deep pockets to purchase those logs...

How about Sam Rainsy? sound good with what he does but he seems to be running from Democracy to out-of-the-law guy... Within party, he is the one who is getting all the contributions from donors (majority from the US?) and partly from his fellows? But anyone sees him building any school lately? Igniting fire with the East(VN) and support the West(SIAM) is what he should be doing at this time? Have anyone heard of him helping Cambodia trade policies with the west or he just there to sabotage those policies with his close-friend senator or congressman? How have he helped Cambodia overall welfare or is he just there to sabotage in order to show that Cambodia is still poor under CPP's rule? hmmm... something to think about isn't it? As I know, Cambodia has not received any school from Sam Rainsy Party at all... is this the way to build the country democracy by not supporting the education system? Do you all know that not all communes has one High School located? Many communes still don't, so where are you guys to help building those for our people or you expecting the tax money could solve everything if there is no corruption? think again.... Do you know that foreign High ranking official and Consultants could get higher than $700 a day in Cambodia based on the projects from International government or non-government agencies? Imagine how much of the so-called donating money got back in the pockets of those who is saying they are here to help Cambodia developments? But yet, I do recognize and appreciate their contributions because it's better than nothing beside just yap! yap! yap! Oh yeah, lately.. if Sam Rainsy really committed to helping the people getting jobs... there is something to think about here.. Cambodia tries to push an through a trade policy to put Cambodia on the same line as other LDCs in African country that received MFN-duty free to the US, Sam Rainsy didn't say a word to that. Is that wrong for Sam Rainsy to help Royal Government of Cambodia and its people get that status so that we will get more factories to invest in Cambodia then Cambodian people will get more jobs? Or Sam Rainsy is being back-play by the the US Senator that doesn't support this policy so that Cambodian people would not be prosperous under CPP's rule? Give me a reason why he should not be helping to push this policy? I never heard him raise a voice under this issue!

CPP - many bad stories about the Riche kid and the Family in power... I agree to some extend. But do you guys really believe that the children that got married don't have the love for one another? I heard that Sophy loves her husband since they were young together. Something I experience, Sophy is one of the brightest student in the class. She's the Cambodian Paris Hilton? hmmm.. maybe... but she has the right to be, or is it a copy-right that there has to be only one in the US? haha...

In Cambodia, there are people who put their efforts into working until 2 or 3 am nearly everyday, and getting up at 5 or 6am. There is nothing mentioned here. Maybe critiques are what of interest to (some or many) people.

Oh well... for those who have not been to Cambodia, not live here or working for the development of this country, don't just sit at where you are... come and chip in... either through NGO works, International Agencies, Working for the change that you believe that Cambodia should turn into... come here! don't just sit and criticize and tell others (especially your next generations) about this and that about Cambodia and sitting there and do nothing. You should be ashame for doing nothing but yap! yap! yap! How many lives can be improved by doing that? How many poor people can you lift out of poverty?


There are corrupted officials and bribing individuals who are trying to get away from the laws everyday in the US and Cambodia. In the US, if you are not paying 10 or 20% tip for the service at the restaurant, you are just feeling ashame of yourself because it is the custom that u gotta pay. is it a corruption there? In Cambodia, I wouldn't have to say... if you are here, you can see...

Anyway, my message is.. come and help.. don't just yap! yap! yap!

[ArtphotoasiA]

Some of those that put their comments here might have never been to Cambodia or maybe came here a few times... most people here might also not living in Cambodia, that's my guess for now... below is my response.

I live in Cambodia for nearly 30 years, born here, educated partly local and partly abroad. I witness Cambodia developments, either into democracy, economic, or sometimes into war until now. My perception toward Cambodia stability is that we only achieve a real peace at the end of the 21st century, which is about 10 years. Remember when there were more than one governments before 1999 when there were Khmer Rouge in the jungle, there were Khmer Sar(White), etc... So who is here to justify that Cambodia has been long at peace for 30 years? And within the beginning of those years from 1979, who was helping Cambodia to build schools, hospitals, institutions, etc... ? The western? oh well, not until they realized the Khmer Rouge regime was genocide, which is around the election of 1993? When did the US assist Cambodia in development assistances started again beside their supports to the Khmer Rouge at the UN table and with the aim of overthrowing the CPP government because they wanted to have their Democracy influence in South East Asia? maybe that is around the late 1990s and early 2000s.

So yeah, who taught us to get corrupt with all those loggings? If CPP knew that, they would have done it even before the 1993. Or is it because the value of those weren't attractive or those logs weren't seen as valuable to buyers yet? I think those corruption starts from FCP when they introduced all those real and so-call-educated people into Cambodia along with their foreign friends with deep pockets to purchase those logs...

How about Sam Rainsy? sound good with what he does but he seems to be running from Democracy to out-of-the-law guy... Within party, he is the one who is getting all the contributions from donors (majority from the US?) and partly from his fellows? But anyone sees him building any school lately? Igniting fire with the East(VN) and support the West(SIAM) is what he should be doing at this time? Have anyone heard of him helping Cambodia trade policies with the west or he just there to sabotage those policies with his close-friend senator or congressman? How have he helped Cambodia overall welfare or is he just there to sabotage in order to show that Cambodia is still poor under CPP's rule? hmmm... something to think about isn't it? As I know, Cambodia has not received any school from Sam Rainsy Party at all... is this the way to build the country democracy by not supporting the education system? Do you all know that not all communes has one High School located? Many communes still don't, so where are you guys to help building those for our people or you expecting the tax money could solve everything if there is no corruption? think again.... Do you know that foreign High ranking official and Consultants could get higher than $700 a day in Cambodia based on the projects from International government or non-government agencies? Imagine how much of the so-called donating money got back in the pockets of those who is saying they are here to help Cambodia developments? But yet, I do recognize and appreciate their contributions because it's better than nothing beside just yap! yap! yap! Oh yeah, lately.. if Sam Rainsy really committed to helping the people getting jobs... there is something to think about here.. Cambodia tries to push an through a trade policy to put Cambodia on the same line as other LDCs in African country that received MFN-duty free to the US, Sam Rainsy didn't say a word to that. Is that wrong for Sam Rainsy to help Royal Government of Cambodia and its people get that status so that we will get more factories to invest in Cambodia then Cambodian people will get more jobs? Or Sam Rainsy is being back-play by the the US Senator that doesn't support this policy so that Cambodian people would not be prosperous under CPP's rule? Give me a reason why he should not be helping to push this policy? I never heard him raise a voice under this issue!

CPP - many bad stories about the Riche kid and the Family in power... I agree to some extend. But do you guys really believe that the children that got married don't have the love for one another? I heard that Sophy loves her husband since they were young together. Something I experience, Sophy is one of the brightest student in the class. She's the Cambodian Paris Hilton? hmmm.. maybe... but she has the right to be, or is it a copy-right that there has to be only one in the US? haha...

In Cambodia, there are people who put their efforts into working until 2 or 3 am nearly everyday, and getting up at 5 or 6am. There is nothing mentioned here. Maybe critiques are what of interest to (some or many) people.

Oh well... for those who have not been to Cambodia, not live here or working for the development of this country, don't just sit at where you are... come and chip in... either through NGO works, International Agencies, Working for the change that you believe that Cambodia should turn into... come here! don't just sit and criticize and tell others (especially your next generations) about this and that about Cambodia and sitting there and do nothing. You should be ashame for doing nothing but yap! yap! yap! How many lives can be improved by doing that? How many poor people can you lift out of poverty?


There are corrupted officials and bribing individuals who are trying to get away from the laws everyday in the US and Cambodia. In the US, if you are not paying 10 or 20% tip for the service at the restaurant, you are just feeling ashame of yourself because it is the custom that u gotta pay. is it a corruption there? In Cambodia, I wouldn't have to say... if you are here, you can see...

Anyway, my message is.. come and help.. don't just yap! yap! yap!

Big post here... and interesting... thanks.

Nice to ear the voice of those who live or lived in Cambodia.

I have been there only one time like traveler but I lived in southeast asia 5 years of course I read some books on Cambodia issues, I find unsustainable and a big shame for a westeners all this story. Just can not bear.

- Can not bear the fact that westerners bombed Cambodia when it was neutral with no real reason...
- Can not bear the fact that the above was the real cause of kmer rouge surgent and aftermath genocide...
- Can not bear the fact that westerners joined to UN table together with kmer rouge enturage as legit government of Cambodia at that time...
- Can not bear the fact that after years of help and money nothing or just few things have been inprouved because UN was just useless as always as inmany other cases ...

Becouse of that when I was there in 2001 I went to pay respect to Angkor Wat and also I went to see myself how things are in Phnom Phen, Battambang, Sianookville..

Believe me ignorance is the worst thing ever, and when I was back in Thailand or Laos or Singapore speaking with other asians I was so astonished that today in 2010 the knew so few of their recent history of their neighboour country recent history.... I do not blame them... this is what goverments over there want to teach and let people know.
Beside that... probably we all must let Cambodians in peace and let them manage themself.... they will find their own way if interferencess will stop!

This post has been edited by ArtphotoasiA: Dec 29 2009, 07:02 AM

[snookman]

while i agree with u grillporkrice and thank you for your contribution because i will not deny you of your opinion since u live there for thirty years. although, it doesnt make any of my opinions any less, especially if they are coming from viable sources. as long as the media that i get is telling the truth and that the people i get eyewitness experience from is telling the truth, it could be possible too that i might be more expose to the truth then u, as a theory ofcourse. i am not at all saying that i know more about what is going on in cambodia. while i agree with u that sam rainsy hasnt built any schools but here's my logic behind that. he doesnt have the money. lets put it this way, who is richer, sam rainsy's party or the cpp. last i heard, i think i heard hun sen is a billionare now. is sam rainsy even a millionare (someone please tell me). how do u think hun sen and his colleage became billionares. by pocketing money that was either donated or by illegal business of some sort.

i mean i care about the country also and i want the country to do good, but does it make me a bad person now because I DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD A SCHOOL FOR YOU GUYS. just basing your opinions on sam rainsy because he hasnt donated money for building a school makes u sound like what i heard about cambodians lately, PEOPLE WAITING FOR THAT HANDOUT. well, u know what, if what people say is true, your handout has been given, its just the cpp never let it trickle down to your people. dont blame sam rainsy, he never really had power there. dude had to come to the u.s. to get donations from cambodian americans at a dinner party.

oh, and westerners going there to make up to 700 dollars a day of pocketing money, well, they probably would do that $hit in their own country too if they had a chance. it aint even their country to begin with. doesnt make them and the cpp is doing is right. are u telling me that because the FCP and some westerners that work there are corrupt, it makes what the current government is doing is legit. at least westerners bring their skills to help the country develope at a now we know pricier tag then we thought, but what is the CPP providing for the people. they seem to be only taking for their own good.

oh my goodness, dont even compare cambodia to the u.s. yes, there is corruption in the u.s. but its minimal because there are laws here and authorities to make sure people at the top are doing what they are doing. we have a check and balance here. the difference with cambodia and the u.s. is that barack obama can go to jail but hun sen will never go to jail in cambodia. that is the difference. not to mention corruption in cambodia has much more of an effect cause the country is not ECONOMICALLY DEVELOPED yet. u have people literally starving for food. in america, we have safety nets for the poor such as welfare, low income housing, food stamps, etc, to keep people from being homeless. does cambodian government have any safety nets for their poor people? i ask u (sarcastically ofcourse).

once again, stop using this logic that because corruption is everywhere, it validates that what is occuring in cambodia is normal. its not normal when u are considered one of the most corrupt countries in the world. yeah, right next to mexico and africa. i'm sure cambodians would love to be on that list. what can i say, two wrongs dont make a right.

u want sam rainsy to use his own money to build schools so that could make him a good person but u say what the cpp is doing is okay because corruption is everywhere. do u know that sam rainsy wouldnt have to build schools for u if the cpp didnt pocket money that was suppose to go to your institutions. whose the government now. thats just obsurd.

i will agree with u on one thing and that is, educated cambodians living abroad should go there and help. i try to do my part by being a good tourist since its hard for me to relocate because i already have a family out here. so i do what i can from a tourist point of view in terms of pouring money into the economy. yet, i think it takes more then that cause the problem here is the root of the issue. the people know no better.

This post has been edited by snookman: Dec 29 2009, 04:50 PM

[preahvihear]

WTF? "GrillPorkOnRice? You are a pig meat eater, sh*t. I hate pig meat eater. You must be one of them $hitty disgusting Khmer riche kids, huh. Let me see your $hitty thought. You guys are known around the world as cheaters in school, spoiled brats, and gangsters.

I live in Cambodia for nearly 30 years, born here, educated partly local and partly abroad. I witness Cambodia developments, either into democracy, economic, or sometimes into war until now. My perception toward Cambodia stability is that we only achieve a real peace at the end of the 21st century, which is about 10 years. Remember when there were more than one governments before 1999 when there were Khmer Rouge in the jungle, there were Khmer Sar(White), etc... So who is here to justify that Cambodia has been long at peace for 30 years? And within the beginning of those years from 1979, who was helping Cambodia to build schools, hospitals, institutions, etc... ? The western? oh well, not until they realized the Khmer Rouge regime was genocide, which is around the election of 1993? When did the US assist Cambodia in development assistances started again beside their supports to the Khmer Rouge at the UN table and with the aim of overthrowing the CPP government because they wanted to have their Democracy influence in South East Asia? maybe that is around the late 1990s and early 2000s.

Stop making excuses for your nonsense, you dirty pork meat eater! Nobody wants to hear your $hitty excuses because they are all FALSE and twisted to serve your agenda.

So yeah, who taught us to get corrupt with all those loggings? If CPP knew that, they would have done it even before the 1993. Or is it because the value of those weren't attractive or those logs weren't seen as valuable to buyers yet? I think those corruption starts from FCP when they introduced all those real and so-call-educated people into Cambodia along with their foreign friends with deep pockets to purchase those logs...

Again stop blaming others for your endless greeds, mather f*cker! During the military occupation of Cambodia, Vietnam and Hun Sen government had been exploiting Cambodia's timbers and fishes and gems for years. So stop blaming others, you disgusting irresponsible mather f*cker.

How about Sam Rainsy? sound good with what he does but he seems to be running from Democracy to out-of-the-law guy... Within party, he is the one who is getting all the contributions from donors (majority from the US?) and partly from his fellows? But anyone sees him building any school lately? Igniting fire with the East(VN) and support the West(SIAM) is what he should be doing at this time? Have anyone heard of him helping Cambodia trade policies with the west or he just there to sabotage those policies with his close-friend senator or congressman? How have he helped Cambodia overall welfare or is he just there to sabotage in order to show that Cambodia is still poor under CPP's rule? hmmm... something to think about isn't it? As I know, Cambodia has not received any school from Sam Rainsy Party at all... is this the way to build the country democracy by not supporting the education system? Do you all know that not all communes has one High School located? Many communes still don't, so where are you guys to help building those for our people or you expecting the tax money could solve everything if there is no corruption? think again.... Do you know that foreign High ranking official and Consultants could get higher than $700 a day in Cambodia based on the projects from International government or non-government agencies? Imagine how much of the so-called donating money got back in the pockets of those who is saying they are here to help Cambodia developments? But yet, I do recognize and appreciate their contributions because it's better than nothing beside just yap! yap! yap! Oh yeah, lately.. if Sam Rainsy really committed to helping the people getting jobs... there is something to think about here.. Cambodia tries to push an through a trade policy to put Cambodia on the same line as other LDCs in African country that received MFN-duty free to the US, Sam Rainsy didn't say a word to that. Is that wrong for Sam Rainsy to help Royal Government of Cambodia and its people get that status so that we will get more factories to invest in Cambodia then Cambodian people will get more jobs? Or Sam Rainsy is being back-play by the the US Senator that doesn't support this policy so that Cambodian people would not be prosperous under CPP's rule? Give me a reason why he should not be helping to push this policy? I never heard him raise a voice under this issue!

WTF? What a disgusting mather f*cker you really are! You take this opportunity to attack Sam Rainsy? After 30+ long years of administering Cambodia and succeeding in creating Cambodia to be the MOST poorest country (living on a fraction of a dollar) in the planet and you mather f*cker thinks CPP is doing its best? What a mather f*cker! The Sam Rainsy Party has endures so much of the atrocities of the CPP since its inception until the present-day. SRP's members got killed endlesslessy by the CPP village chiefs, police, and CPP henchmen. The bully CPP continues to use its courts to jail many SRP sympathizers and members. Your CPP gets all the donation money worth hundred of billions of dollars every year. On top of it, your CPP plunder Cambodia's natural resources for its own greedy benefits. YOUR CPP members are the biggest gangsters and bullies who can take anybody out just like that in Cambodia. Your CPP organization is the BIGGEST BROTHER in Cambodia, owning everything and ruling everything. For example, your CPP uses its created law to evict people off their land so that the government can convert it into the property of the state. WTF? How is that fair?

Thanks goodness for the presence of Sam Rainsy. He protects the little people, the poor, the disenfranchised people, the oppressed, the mass of Cambodia. He gives them hope and strength to stand up to the bullies and gangsters of your CPP. You talk about CPP's numerous schools. F*ck your schools. Even Pol Pot created schools, mather f*cker. Schools are just structures, mather f*cker. Your CPP created schools are just places of gathering to learn about your CPP's indoctrination of political patronage system, mather f*cker! So don't even talk about "democracy", you mather f*cker. Your thicked skull has not yet evovled to understand the concept.

CPP- many bad stories about the Riche kid and the Family in power... I agree to some extend. But do you guys really believe that the children that got married don't have the love for one another? I heard that Sophy loves her husband since they were young together. Something I experience, Sophy is one of the brightest student in the class. She's the Cambodian Paris Hilton? hmmm.. maybe... but she has the right to be, or is it a copy-right that there has to be only one in the US? haha...

WTF? Mather f*cker giving $hitty opinion again? The point of the article is that the CPP Riche Kids are gangsters and bullies who are above the CPP's created law and plunderers of Cambodia's national resources for their own beneifts. Nobody cares about the romance or mental retardation of your gangster CPP Riche Kids, mather f*cker! All the people want is that these CPP Riche Kids play by the same rules.

In Cambodia, there are people who put their efforts into working until 2 or 3 am nearly everyday, and getting up at 5 or 6am. There is nothing mentioned here. Maybe critiques are what of interest to (some or many) people.

What people, YOUR CPP People? Please! Your brain-dead CPP People can't do sh*t. Even a little thing, there is someone else to do it for you. Your CPP mather f*ckers always need an advisor for this and that. Your CPP People are the laziest in the world, capapble of only taking from others and the nation. In fact, your CPP People have created the most despicable name for Cambodia as the "BEGGAR NATION".

Oh well... for those who have not been to Cambodia, not live here or working for the development of this country, don't just sit at where you are... come and chip in... either through NGO works, International Agencies, Working for the change that you believe that Cambodia should turn into... come here! don't just sit and criticize and tell others (especially your next generations) about this and that about Cambodia and sitting there and do nothing. You should be ashame for doing nothing but yap! yap! yap! How many lives can be improved by doing that? How many poor people can you lift out of poverty?

WTF? There are too many NGOs already and Cambodia is still being blocked from every directions by the gangster omnipresent CPP Orgnaization. Haven't you read the article of the Khmer Riche, you mather f*cker? Your riche Kids said that if anybody want to do any businesses in Cambodia the person needs to be better connected to the top people of the CPP Organization (pay them a monthly share of your profit). Otherwise, the businesss will go down under at any time because there are other CPP leeches who come to you on a daily basis to demand "protection money". How can anybody invest in an environment where too many of CPP human vultures and leeches keep asking for protection money on the daily basis, mather f*cker.

There are corrupted officials and bribing individuals who are trying to get away from the laws everyday in the US and Cambodia. In the US, if you are not paying 10 or 20% tip for the service at the restaurant, you are just feeling ashame of yourself because it is the custom that u gotta pay. is it a corruption there? In Cambodia, I wouldn't have to say... if you are here, you can see...

WTF? You are out of reality and you are talking out of your brain-dead skull. USA is a country of rules and everyone is under the rules. An American citizen can always take anybody to the court of law to seek justice. Do you have that in Cambodia? NOT! mather f*cker. Regarding paying tips at a restaurant, nobody is forcing to pay any of it if you don't want to. Go to any fast food restaurants and you don't have to pay any tips if you don't want to.

Anyway, my message is.. come and help.. don't just yap! yap! yap!

F*ck your message, fool. You want to people in invest in your retarded environment so that you CPP people can leech and vulture on them on a daily basis for your spending money. Fool, that is called "extortion money". Go reread the article again, I learn about it from the article itself. The Riche Kids say that in Cambodia if your are doing any businesses and you have no connection to the top CPP dawgs, then the money-loving above-the-law CPP gangsters will extort for money every day. Should a business person refuses any of the CPP gangsters, then the business will be destroyed. If that happens, there goes your personal savings and time and effort. As long as your CPP gangsters are in power and continue to abuse your privileges and power, then Cambodia will always be a f*cked up place on the planet earth.

This post has been edited by preahvihear: Dec 29 2009, 04:29 PM

[Nikkie_nid]

Well, you should not be wearing a typical female name as your username then.



When your opinion is clearly biased toward CPP then it is natural that people will consider you a part of the CPP system.



If you say so.



So now do you still think that Cambodia does not lose any part of its current territory to Vietnam and Sam Rainsy's action is evil against the established law of the CPP? Your bashing of Sam Rainsy and his party littered the forum. That is why people think that you are not a fairminded person. You argued for the defense of Cambodian territory against the Thai encroachment, but todate you have never argued for the defense of Cambodian territory against the Vietnamese encroachment. So how come?



Tell us more about your experience of mistreatment at the hands of these rich obnoxious kids.



The Khmer society and its classes??? You mean the Funan society was the same as the Chenla society and the Chenla society was the same as Angkorean society and the Angkorean society was the same as the Post Angkorean society and the Post Angkorean society was the same as the French Colonial Cambodian society and the French Colonial Cambodian society was the same as Sihanouk regime and Sihanouk regime was the same as Lon Nol regime and Lon Nol regime was the same as Pol Pot regime and Pol Pot regime was the same as Hun Sen regime??? Pol Pot already did away with "classes". So what classes are you talking about? In fact, if you want to talk about class, then Hun Sen is still of the lower class and all of the newly rich Cambodians are still of the lowe class. All you need to do is to trace these people's family lines back to the French colonial Cambodia. If they aint $hit during that time, then they aint $hit now. As far as I know Cambodian law through the ages does not allow slavery. So what slavery are you talking about. You need to correct your view that the whole world uses slavery. You might land yourself in jail say in a country of Japan if you say you own slaves.



Society is a human invention and institutions are also human invention. Since you know so much of the Cambodian societal classes then you should understand this simple concept. You are not powerless. You need to vote for a new party to lead Cambodia and to make it a place of growth, prosperity, and justice and equality before the law. You can be as educated as you can be, but if there are no opportunities for you to grow, then you will become useless just the same. Look at all the educated people during the Pol Pot's era. What had become of them?



You totally lose it there, Nikki. Just because you are rich and you think you will be the target of bashing, you are wrong. We need good honest hardworking rich people who have a culture of providing services, creating jobs, investing in industries, research, science, projects, etc. If you are rich as a result of stealing Cambodia's national resources, bribery, extortion, oppression, and abuse of the poor, then you are not rich.

By the way, some of your understanding are outdated.

Thanks for spending time replying to my specific comments.

Well! I feel tired reading yours. I'm not people who repeat my own words. You can say whatever you want about me, this is your total freedom.

I feel great that someone express their opinions and even try to track the arguments into each individual matter, in that case, you have been trying to prove that I am a CPPer and a rich kid. I could see how much you hate the current government of Cambodia and maybe "me... "

Unless you don't drag me out of this topic, I would be in constant peace. Ciao

[kevo]

Thanks for spending time replying to my specific comments.

Well! I feel tired reading yours. I'm not people who repeat my own words. You can say whatever you want about me, this is your total freedom.

I feel great that someone express their opinions and even try to track the arguments into each individual matter, in that case, you have been trying to prove that I am a CPPer and a rich kid. I could see how much you hate the current government of Cambodia and maybe "me... "

Unless you don't drag me out of this topic, I would be in constant peace. Ciao

Denith....you don't owe anybody in here any explanation about anything.......you are your own person with your own opinions based on your experiences just like everybody else on here. You shouldn't get personally attacked constantly for disagreeing or having a different point of view.

Keep doing your thing Nikkie/ Denith & keep US OVERSEAS KHMERS posted on your life experiences of growing up & living in Cambodia & all the changes happening in the motherland both good & bad.

You're right Nikkie it's an honor that someone spends soooo much time & energy focused on you & you alone tracking down your every move & words & taking the time to write such lengthy replies & messages to you & about you. Let's you know how much of an impact you have on their lives as opposed to the opposite!!!

Keep your head up brother!!!

[preahvihear]

Thanks for spending time replying to my specific comments.

Well! I feel tired reading yours. I'm not people who repeat my own words. You can say whatever you want about me, this is your total freedom.

I feel great that someone express their opinions and even try to track the arguments into each individual matter, in that case, you have been trying to prove that I am a CPPer and a rich kid. I could see how much you hate the current government of Cambodia and maybe "me... "

Unless you don't drag me out of this topic, I would be in constant peace. Ciao

Thanks for replying as well, mather f*cker!

[Sovann]

also, thats why its up to us cambodians who are living in the rich democratic nations to go back to cambodia and to show the people how to live civilized in a developing society. educate them by both lecturing them and also showing them. for instance, americans are the biggest tippers in this world. yes, many would question why do i have to tip. but, if u look at tipping, its actually a good system. it creates decent jobs for people who are hustling and bustling their butts to serve u for minimum wage. so tipping allows them to make a decent living, doing what they do. then they themselves can use that money to buy things for themselves which contributes to the economy. for instance, u own a flower store and u go eat at a restaurant and u tip the guy there. he then goes to your flower shop to buy flowers for his girlfriend. the money goes around and keeps the economy going.

the point is as an example is when i go to cambodia, i tip the workers there and many are so happy because they dont make a lot hourly. my homegirl from cambodia who is living in the states for about three years now said thats because people dont get tipped often. she has become a strong believer in tipping and when she went back, she tipped big on their standards. i heard now, the custom has caught on and some people are tipping now. my homegirl tells people when she goes there and spends dollars and say she spends five dollars for a meal. some people will tip like 1000 riel (25cents). she on the other hand will give one or two dollars. her mother said why so much. she said in america, we tip even more then that. if i do it over there as a custom, why not do it here. this way, it allows your average worker to make a decent living and most importantly they pick up the manner of sharing and gratitude. this will allow those students who work and go to school to understand the importance of gratitude and they when they become working class professionals in cambodia, they understand the importance of keeping such system in place. this is how many college students in america pay their way through college. we cambodians that are expose to the modern world should feel bless for what we have and we have the chance to make a change in our own country by exposing them to the positive lifestyle of living in a wealthy society.

tipping is good in the economic sense, but culturally, it's not normal in cambodia. you have to keep in mind that some of your thinking is very different, culturally, and is not like the local khmer in cambodia.

that's why you don't agree and have cultural conflict with the khmers from srok khmer like grillpork, or denith, because of your american cultural upbringing and what's right and what's wrong and how to behave in america.

[GrillPorkOnRice]

while i agree with u grillporkrice and thank you for your contribution because i will not deny you of your opinion since u live there for thirty years. although, it doesnt make any of my opinions any less, especially if they are coming from viable sources. as long as the media that i get is telling the truth and that the people i get eyewitness experience from is telling the truth, it could be possible too that i might be more expose to the truth then u, as a theory ofcourse. i am not at all saying that i know more about what is going on in cambodia. while i agree with u that sam rainsy hasnt built any schools but here's my logic behind that. he doesnt have the money. lets put it this way, who is richer, sam rainsy's party or the cpp. last i heard, i think i heard hun sen is a billionare now. is sam rainsy even a millionare (someone please tell me). how do u think hun sen and his colleage became billionares. by pocketing money that was either donated or by illegal business of some sort.

i mean i care about the country also and i want the country to do good, but does it make me a bad person now because I DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD A SCHOOL FOR YOU GUYS. just basing your opinions on sam rainsy because he hasnt donated money for building a school makes u sound like what i heard about cambodians lately, PEOPLE WAITING FOR THAT HANDOUT. well, u know what, if what people say is true, your handout has been given, its just the cpp never let it trickle down to your people. dont blame sam rainsy, he never really had power there. dude had to come to the u.s. to get donations from cambodian americans at a dinner party.


oh, and westerners going there to make up to 700 dollars a day of pocketing money, well, they probably would do that $hit in their own country too if they had a chance. it aint even their country to begin with. doesnt make them and the cpp is doing is right. are u telling me that because the FCP and some westerners that work there are corrupt, it makes what the current government is doing is legit. at least westerners bring their skills to help the country develope at a now we know pricier tag then we thought, but what is the CPP providing for the people. they seem to be only taking for their own good.

oh my goodness, dont even compare cambodia to the u.s. yes, there is corruption in the u.s. but its minimal because there are laws here and authorities to make sure people at the top are doing what they are doing. we have a check and balance here. the difference with cambodia and the u.s. is that barack obama can go to jail but hun sen will never go to jail in cambodia. that is the difference. not to mention corruption in cambodia has much more of an effect cause the country is not ECONOMICALLY DEVELOPED yet. u have people literally starving for food. in america, we have safety nets for the poor such as welfare, low income housing, food stamps, etc, to keep people from being homeless. does cambodian government have any safety nets for their poor people? i ask u (sarcastically ofcourse).

once again, stop using this logic that because corruption is everywhere, it validates that what is occuring in cambodia is normal. its not normal when u are considered one of the most corrupt countries in the world. yeah, right next to mexico and africa. i'm sure cambodians would love to be on that list. what can i say, two wrongs dont make a right.

u want sam rainsy to use his own money to build schools so that could make him a good person but u say what the cpp is doing is okay because corruption is everywhere. do u know that sam rainsy wouldnt have to build schools for u if the cpp didnt pocket money that was suppose to go to your institutions. whose the government now. thats just obsurd.

i will agree with u on one thing and that is, educated cambodians living abroad should go there and help. i try to do my part by being a good tourist since its hard for me to relocate because i already have a family out here. so i do what i can from a tourist point of view in terms of pouring money into the economy. yet, i think it takes more then that cause the problem here is the root of the issue. the people know no better.

Thank for responding to my post in a very polite and respectful way.

I didn't say anywhere in my post that corruption make by CPP is okay. I just did say that corruption is everywhere here and I don't have to mention anything in my post about corruption here and there.

Sam Rainsy gotta play his politics out the right way. He is just too out of control to do his politics that way if he wants to get his voice heard. He played it right during the last two elections by influencing democracy philosophy to the youth leaders at the Universities across Cambodia, then they became leaders of influencing NGOs and other key players within his party that went on to influence decision of many voters to believe in his party. But still those people lost their fate because they see nothing has improved. I am not here to figure out for his best next step but that is my comment and that is why I am here to say that even though he is trying to establish what he believes in, he is not doing it right.

As a Cambodian, I would want him to do whatever that would help our people out of poverty even though it may seems in favor of the current government. Just like getting the Most-Favorable-Nation(MFN) status that putting Cambodia on the similar line as other LDCs in Africa. You guys can talk about African countries are corrupting nations but why would US still give them those status and why not Cambodia? You guys might have heard the policy of Linking-Trade-To-Labor Standard that started in 1999, Cambodian labor standard and rights have been improved since then. And if you compare to those of the African, Bangladesh, and least developed countries, Cambodia has the best labor standard. Those countries are coming to learn from Cambodia now. And I can tell you this, Cambodia, as an LDC, pay about 10 times of all LDCs in Africa combine during this last 10 years. Cambodia in 2006 and 2007, pay import duty to the US as high as what France and UK were paying to the US with so much disproportionate amount of export and yes, Cambodia is an LDC and UK and France are developed nations. So should there be not a reason for you guys in the US and Sam Rainsy Party people not helping to push through so that our garment workers could negotiate with their employers for better pay easier? For me to give my vote to SRP, they need to show me something that they do right at the right time in order to get my vote. Even some of their promises before election should be realistic too for us to believe. We ain't that dumb.

As I know, in the US, they also have what is called Lobbying to the committee that have influences in the drafting laws. As yet, that's legal in the states. Isn't it? don't tell me that lobbying is different from corruption in Cambodia. If not so, many factories in the US would be shut down. If democracy in the US is about caring for the people all over the world and not their own power, they would shut those factories that polluting the CO2 into the environment already just for the good of all. Yet, they bragging that Cambodia are cutting trees and that is not environmental friendly. There are now many land concessions given to many of the foreign investors and so trees are cutting down so that rubber trees can plan in. Not too many donor likes the idea because if Cambodia is better off, they won't be able to have influence on Cambodia anymore through their donations.

Talking about safety net, you should be talking to donors about this then. Why do they donate money to the economy and why not using those money to build the safety net? Or do they feel that economically developing the country and let that coming later is a better thing to do and that's why they don't place their money there? You think that Cambodia just can do everything in one night? There are many laws that we need to develop and pass in order to serve what are needed. Even corruption law is now under way and I hope that to come out soon too.

Poor people moves to Phnom Penh to find better opportunities. While they are here, they want to get a place to live that is free, so they started settling on the public properties like gardens, condo (one of them called Bo-ding = Building), near Beoung Kak lake, etc... So are those places legal for them to be located on? So when you live on an illegal land for a while, the government tells you to go away, you blame on the government for taking away your homes? hmmm... That is not an acceptable logic to me. And I believe that compensating something to them is right, and compensating to the level where their new places have enough facilities and other services as what they have in their previous location have is even better; but this is what the government cannot satisfy them. You should come and see new relocation places. I would say those are better houses for them but just other facilities and services aren't at the same level.

In addition, if you are talking about Cambodia abusing power, my family only experience us being abused by the poor. When the value of your land goes up, they come and bother and say whatever they please. Let me illustrate you a scenario here, I own a land that is 85meters length, the one who live behind who has no witness, no land title, and have a garden at the back, she just put a complain to the local authority and say her land is until there. And that keep us occupying to solve this problem for more than 5 years now. I am just saying that the current system isn't good enough to solve problems and we need a better system. Yet, we cannot turn this overnight.

Anyway, I have to go now. I will respond to you guys post later. I just hope that you guys could give respect in your own response. Otherwise, you are worse than Pol Pot who called each other Met (friend) for what ever ranking you are.

[preahvihear]

Thank for responding to my post in a very polite and respectful way.

I didn't say anywhere in my post that corruption make by CPP is okay. I just did say that corruption is everywhere here and I don't have to mention anything in my post about corruption here and there.

Sam Rainsy gotta play his politics out the right way. He is just too out of control to do his politics that way if he wants to get his voice heard. He played it right during the last two elections by influencing democracy philosophy to the youth leaders at the Universities across Cambodia, then they became leaders of influencing NGOs and other key players within his party that went on to influence decision of many voters to believe in his party. But still those people lost their fate because they see nothing has improved. I am not here to figure out for his best next step but that is my comment and that is why I am here to say that even though he is trying to establish what he believes in, he is not doing it right.

As a Cambodian, I would want him to do whatever that would help our people out of poverty even though it may seems in favor of the current government. Just like getting the Most-Favorable-Nation(MFN) status that putting Cambodia on the similar line as other LDCs in Africa. You guys can talk about African countries are corrupting nations but why would US still give them those status and why not Cambodia? You guys might have heard the policy of Linking-Trade-To-Labor Standard that started in 1999, Cambodian labor standard and rights have been improved since then. And if you compare to those of the African, Bangladesh, and least developed countries, Cambodia has the best labor standard. Those countries are coming to learn from Cambodia now. And I can tell you this, Cambodia, as an LDC, pay about 10 times of all LDCs in Africa combine during this last 10 years. Cambodia in 2006 and 2007, pay import duty to the US as high as what France and UK were paying to the US with so much disproportionate amount of export and yes, Cambodia is an LDC and UK and France are developed nations. So should there be not a reason for you guys in the US and Sam Rainsy Party people not helping to push through so that our garment workers could negotiate with their employers for better pay easier? For me to give my vote to SRP, they need to show me something that they do right at the right time in order to get my vote. Even some of their promises before election should be realistic too for us to believe. We ain't that dumb.

As I know, in the US, they also have what is called Lobbying to the committee that have influences in the drafting laws. As yet, that's legal in the states. Isn't it? don't tell me that lobbying is different from corruption in Cambodia. If not so, many factories in the US would be shut down. If democracy in the US is about caring for the people all over the world and not their own power, they would shut those factories that polluting the CO2 into the environment already just for the good of all. Yet, they bragging that Cambodia are cutting trees and that is not environmental friendly. There are now many land concessions given to many of the foreign investors and so trees are cutting down so that rubber trees can plan in. Not too many donor likes the idea because if Cambodia is better off, they won't be able to have influence on Cambodia anymore through their donations.

Talking about safety net, you should be talking to donors about this then. Why do they donate money to the economy and why not using those money to build the safety net? Or do they feel that economically developing the country and let that coming later is a better thing to do and that's why they don't place their money there? You think that Cambodia just can do everything in one night? There are many laws that we need to develop and pass in order to serve what are needed. Even corruption law is now under way and I hope that to come out soon too.

Poor people moves to Phnom Penh to find better opportunities. While they are here, they want to get a place to live that is free, so they started settling on the public properties like gardens, condo (one of them called Bo-ding = Building), near Beoung Kak lake, etc... So are those places legal for them to be located on? So when you live on an illegal land for a while, the government tells you to go away, you blame on the government for taking away your homes? hmmm... That is not an acceptable logic to me. And I believe that compensating something to them is right, and compensating to the level where their new places have enough facilities and other services as what they have in their previous location have is even better; but this is what the government cannot satisfy them. You should come and see new relocation places. I would say those are better houses for them but just other facilities and services aren't at the same level.

In addition, if you are talking about Cambodia abusing power, my family only experience us being abused by the poor. When the value of your land goes up, they come and bother and say whatever they please. Let me illustrate you a scenario here, I own a land that is 85meters length, the one who live behind who has no witness, no land title, and have a garden at the back, she just put a complain to the local authority and say her land is until there. And that keep us occupying to solve this problem for more than 5 years now. I am just saying that the current system isn't good enough to solve problems and we need a better system. Yet, we cannot turn this overnight.

Anyway, I have to go now. I will respond to you guys post later. I just hope that you guys could give respect in your own response. Otherwise, you are worse than Pol Pot who called each other Met (friend) for what ever ranking you are.

F*ck you mather f*cker. Stop "yapping" and start giving back to the people, mather f*cker. Stop stealing from the people. Don't talk about Pol Pot because if you are a CPP member, you are already a Khmer Rouge, mather f*cker. Stop making excuses and start giving back to the country the things you stole from the nation, mather f*cker.

[modernthai]

prearvihear, I will be serious and critical to your topic after I have witnessed Cambodia with my own experience.

Cambodia is indeed a RICH country because of plenty of food and natural resource. More international business are coming to Cambodia

As you can see, more Korean residents are living in Cambodia more than Thailand because Cambodia is more potential in the economical aspect

(I mean, Cambodia has more rooms to grow than Thailand) Not to talk about pumping oil, Cambodian government's economical plan is flawless

Come back to Seam Reap, Cambodia and you will be shocked by the astonishing development.



Here's real deal : Next 10 years, it can be said that Cambodia will be more prosperous than Thailand

and the average income of Khmer people

in the next 10 years will be higher than average income of Thai people.

You know why?: The answer are: There are many factors that can bring Cambodia not only out of poverty

or underdeveloped but also can bring Cambodia to be like Singapore or Dubai

[Kingkhmer]

F*ck you mather f*cker. Stop "yapping" and start giving back to the people, mather f*cker. Stop stealing from the people. Don't talk about Pol Pot because if you are a CPP member, you are already a Khmer Rouge, mather f*cker. Stop making excuses and start giving back to the country the things you stole from the nation, mather f*cker.

Gillporkonrice sound like Nikkicock.