What percentage of Filipinos actually have Spanish blood? Options

[Selkies]

aborignes and chinese people are different. Filipino people are not manily chinese or aborigne we are malay people all u need is too look at the mirror. BTW the land bride during the ice age came from the south and not by north so that taiwan connection is B.S. it just made up so that brown people with inferiority complex can make connection that they descent from taiwnese because they don't like to be called malay. lol!

This post has been edited by Selkies: Jun 9 2008, 12:36 AM

[Hi Tone]

aborignes and chinese people are different. Filipino people are not manily chinese or aborigne we are malay people all u need is too look at the mirror. BTW the land bride during the ice age came from the south and not by north so that taiwan connection is B.S. it just made up so that brown people with inferiority complex can make connection that they descent from taiwnese because they don't like to be called malay. lol!

so taiwan is bull, yet the mtdna says otherwise. Are you sure you're filipino

[2ndsun]

aborignes and chinese people are different. Filipino people are not manily chinese or aborigne we are malay people all u need is too look at the mirror. BTW the land bride during the ice age came from the south and not by north so that taiwan connection is B.S. it just made up so that brown people with inferiority complex can make connection that they descent from taiwnese because they don't like to be called malay. lol!

Where did I say that Aborigines and Chinese are the same? They are not since they speak different languages and look a little different than each other. They are yet both from the Mongoloid race. Screw the mirror, as far as I'm concerned, Filipinos can pass for any Asian in SE Asia. B.S.? I think you're b.s. Why? Because there was a landbridge connection with Taiwan back in the pre-historic period that allowed people to migrate to what is now the Philippines. Now try to scientifically rebutt that, without resulting to the "Oh, it's because they are shamed of being brown Malay," bullsh*t! LOL! We are not Malay, we are Filipinos, period! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbsdown.gif)

American anthropologist H. Otley Beyer was the first to propose that Malays who came from Malaysia populated the Philippines in a handful of waves of migration. However, most contemporary anthropologists, linguists (Blust, Reid, Ross, Pawley), and archaeologists (Bellwood) propose the opposite to be true. The vast majority of Filipinos are said to be descended from Austronesian-speaking migrants who arrived in what is now the Philippines from Southern China and Taiwan during the Iron Age.

Filipinos are sometimes said to be part of a "Malay race"; however, modern anthropologists contend that the classification has little taxonomic validity. The term Malay race was a term coined in 1795 by Johann Friedrich Blumenbach to refer to the brown-skinned inhabitants of the Indian (Malay) archipelago, Oceania, Melanesia, and Australia.

Some genetic studies, based upon very small samples of the population, have begun to provide clues to the origins of Filipino people. Much remains to be learned by larger studies of valid statistical significance about the ancestry of the various Austronesian Philippine ethnic groups.

A Stanford University study conducted during 2001 revealed that Y-chromosome Haplogroup O3-M122 (labeled as "Haplogroup L" in this study) predominates among Filipino males. This particular haplogroup is also predominant among Chinese and Korean males. That finding is consistent with the theory that people migrated from China south into the Philippines. Another haplogroup, Haplogroup O1a-M119 (labeled as "Haplogroup H" in this study), is also found among Filipinos. The rates of Haplogroup O1a are highest among the Taiwanese Aborigines. Overall, the genetic frequencies found among Filipinos point to the Ami tribe of Taiwan as their nearest genetic relative.

A 2002 China Medical University study indicated that certain Filipinos shared a particular gene marker that is also found among Taiwanese aborigines and Indonesians, and concluded that Taiwan aborigines are of Austronesian derivation.

A 2003 University of the Philippines study based on 50 participants each from the islands of Luzon and Cebu provided some insight into the various places of origin of early Filipinos. Some rare genetic markers were found which are shared by people from the different parts of Central and East Asia, reinforcing their mainland Asian origins.

I want to challenge you then, what were we called before the Spanish came to identify us with the Malay "brothers?" And I challenge you to point out a Malay culture that we all came from. And what was that culture called?
The Vietnamese look somewhat like some Chinese and their culture is heavily influenced by Chinese, but yet they don't call themselves Chinese. Since it was assumed they were from the Chinese when recent archaeology proves differently. Same goes for the Filipinos. Sorry dude, but genetics don't ever tell a lie. We are closer to the Taiwan Aborigines and southern Chinese genetically whether you like it or not.

This post has been edited by 2ndsun: Jun 9 2008, 01:26 AM

[martin_nuke]

When the Ten Malay Datus and their Balangays intermarried the Austronesians in the year 1212 in the Island of Panay then there was the the Filipinos Race.

This post has been edited by martin_nuke: Jun 9 2008, 01:25 AM

[2ndsun]

When the Ten Malay Datus and the Autronesians intermarried in the year 1212 in the Island of Panay then there was the the Filipinos Race.

Bullsh*t. What were the names of the Ten Malay Datus then? The story of the Ten Malay Datus have been proven to be false.

[martin_nuke]

That is true it is written in Philippine History

http://www.katalbas.com/kgp/KGPbhistory.htm

This post has been edited by martin_nuke: Jun 9 2008, 01:33 AM

[2ndsun]

That is true it is written in Philippine History

http://www.katalbas.com/kgp/KGPbhistory.htm

Hmmm, and if I remember, the Philippine history textbooks in use are quite obsolete. So if something is obsolete, does that make it true? Not necessarily. Basically, the article that you included with the link is based on just that, obsolete data. Please don't fool with peoples minds.

According to Lamberto P. Gabriel’s Ang Pilipinas: Heograpiya, Kasaysayan at Pamahalaan (Isang Pagsusuri), A Philippine History Textbook, on PAGE 53 and PAGES 75-76: Kalantiaw Code and the Maragtas story of the ten Bornean Datus who settled into the Philippine islands have already been debunked by the late Prof William Henry Scott in his Prehistoric Source Materials for the Study of Philippine History (UST Press, 1969), and subsequently sustained and accepted beyond the shadow of doubt by practically all contemporary institutional and academic historians. The Kalantiaw Code and the Maragtas story are therefore considered as unhistorical data.

Concerning Prof. William Henry Scott, refer to his work, "PREHISPANIC SOURCE MATERIALS FOR THE STUDY OF PHILIPPINE HISTORY," 1984, New Day Publishers.

This post has been edited by 2ndsun: Jun 9 2008, 01:41 AM

[martin_nuke]

Why are there Balangays (Barangays), Kali Martial Arts and Ati-Atihan Comemoration of Malay Datus in the Philippines? Balangay meaning Boat with families is Bornean Malay in origin which is the Barangay System we use in the Philippines. Kali Martial Arts also Malay in origin.

This post has been edited by martin_nuke: Jun 9 2008, 01:53 AM

[2ndsun]

Why are there Balangays (Barangays), Kali Martial Arts and Ati-Atihan Comemoration of Malay Datus in the Philippines? Balangay meaning Boat with families is Bornean Malay in origin which is the Barangay System we use in the Philippines. Kali Martial Arts also Malay in origin.

All based on now debunked myth!

Look at this: http://weekendwarrior.vox.com/


Code of Kalantiao:

The so-called Code of Kalantiao has been considered as the "centerpiece" of Aklanon history by most Aklanons, especially by local historians in Aklan. It has been compared to the Code of Hammurabi.

The Code was described to have been "in use in 150 (?) since 1433" and was codified and enforced by a certain Datu Kalantiao -- later called Datu Bendahara Kalantiaw -- who ruled in an ancient civilization -- a sakup called Aklan, with Batan (or Batang) as its center of government.

According to William Henry Scott, the late historian who investigated the provenance and authenticity of the Code of Kalantiao, the real author of the Code was a certain Jose E. Marco of Pontevedra, Negros Occidental, who also wrote La Loba Negra which was previously ascribed to Father Jose Burgos.

The fantastic story of the Code of Kalantiao originated from the two-volume manuscripts called Las Antiguas Leyendas de la Isla de Negros which, according to Marco, were written by Jose María Pavon. The manuscripts were actually a product of Marco's fertile imagination.

Wrote Prof. Scott: "The shift of the Code from Negros to Panay presumably began with [Josue] Soncuya's conclusion that Rajah Kalantiaw -- as he called him -- had written the code for Aklan because of the presence of two Aklanon, rather than Hiligaynon, words in the text." (Josue Soncuya, one of the founders of Centro Escolar de Señoritas, was from Banga, Aklan.)



* Datu Bendahara Kalantiaw

Datu Bendahara Kalantiaw (or Kalantiao), of course, was the so-called great ruler of a pre-hispanic civilization who codified a set of rules, the so-called Code of Kalantiao.

In 1956, Digno Alba (a native of Batan, Aklan who was a government pensionado to the US in 1903) wrote a pamphlet which stated -- without any supporting evidence -- that Kalantiaw chose Batan as the capital of the ancient sakup of Aklan.

In 1966, Sol Gwekoh wrote in the Sunday Times magazine that Datu Bendahara Kalantiaw was born in 1410 -- again, without any supporting evidence.

In 1970, Gregorio Zaide included in his book Great Filipinos in History other details: that the Datu's real name was Lakan Tiaw (which means, according to Zaide, "Chief of Brief Speech") and that the great Datu allegedly said "The law is above all men." The Datu was said to be the only son of Raja Bendahara Gulah. All these assertions had, of course, no supporting evidence.



* Bornean Datus

The account of the voyage of ten datus and their followers from a foreign land to Panay and their subsequent settlement in this Visayan island is narrated in a book written in Hiligaynon by Pedro Monteclaro, a native of Iloilo.

In his book, Maragtas kon (historia) sg pulo nga Panay kutub sg iya una nga pamuluyo tubtub sg pag-abut sg mga taga Borneo nga amo ang ginhalinan sg mga Bisaya, kag sg pag-abut sg mga Katsila, Monteclaro narrated that the ten datus came from Borneo where the tyrant Datu Makatunao ruled. The datus and their wives were Puti and wife Pinangpang, Sumakwel and wife Kapinangan, Bangkaya and wife Katurong (who settled in Aklan and whose son Balingsanga could not pronounce the letter r ), Paiburong and wife Pabulanan, Padohinog and wife Ribongsapaw, Dumangsol and wife Kabiling, Dumalogdog, Lubay, Balensuela, and Dumangsil.

No archaeological evidence, however, has been unearthed to give credence to this tale. No historical support for the voyage of the datus and their subsequent settling in Panay exists.

In the Maragtas, Monteclaro wrote: "... akon diri igasambit nga duha ka talamdan ang akon naayap..." (I would mention here that I obtained two documents.) However, nobody has ever seen those two documents.



* Code of Maragtas

The datus, who had settled in Panay, divided the whole of Panay among themselves. Definitely, they had to have some sanctions against polygamy, adultery, inter-racial marriage, robbery, and other cases contrary to their customs. So, a "code," later called the Code of Maragtas, (then, still a little later, called the Code of Sumakwel) was said to have been devised. La-di-da... Manuel Carreon wrote that the Code of Maragtas antedated the Code of Kalantiao by over two centuries!

Guillermo Santiago-Cuino surprised historians and other people interested in the Maragtas when his article "El Codigo de Maragtas" was published in the 20 February 1938 issue of El Debate. He boasted that his writing was a direct translation of "ancient Filipino writing." However, he could not produce any evidence. Moreover, the word "Maragtas" first appeared only in 1907 when Monteclaro's book was published. Santiago-Cuino's article is, therefore, the only source of the so-called Code of Maragtas.

This post has been edited by 2ndsun: Jun 9 2008, 01:59 AM

[Selkies]

lol lol, filipinos are malay people, you will know that if u look a the mirror and try go to indonesia they look same as filipino.
Now if go to taiwan do they look like filipino? lol lol!! :P

[2ndsun]

lol lol, filipinos are malay people, you will know that if u look a the mirror and try go to indonesia they look same as filipino.
Now if go to taiwan do they look like filipino? lol lol!! :P

You sound like a broken record (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) Be a man and refute the evidence I brought forth and quit being a mor*n about it. I was talking about the Taiwanese Aborigines retard.

Stay on topic, this is not about your assumed "Malay" crap, but about the percentage of Spanish blood in the Filipinos.

This post has been edited by 2ndsun: Jun 9 2008, 02:22 AM

[2ndsun]

Photos of Taiwan Aborigines:

http://english.ysnp.gov.tw/UserFiles/Image/Sound/bunon2.jpg

http://eng.taiwan.net.tw/Upload/ENG/tourism/8.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...0/02/Atayal.jpg

[Selkies]

Photos of Taiwan Aborigines:

http://english.ysnp.gov.tw/UserFiles/Image/Sound/bunon2.jpg

http://eng.taiwan.net.tw/Upload/ENG/tourism/8.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...0/02/Atayal.jpg

they don't look aboringes to me, aboringes are ones in papua new guniea and australia with dark skin and these people look more like cross breed between pacific islanders and chinese. lol lol
Filipinos are malay people, we are same with indonesian and malaysian people and please post the direct link that prove filipino are not malay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

All i can say filipinos are malay i can say it over over again!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

[2ndsun]

they don't look aboringes to me, aboringes are ones in papua new guniea and australia with dark skin and these people look more like cross breed between pacific islanders and chinese. lol lol
Filipinos are malay people, we are same with indonesian and malaysian people and please post the direct link that prove filipino are not malay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

All i can say filipinos are malay i can say it over over again!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

Do you even know what the meaning of the word Aborigine means? No it doesn't mean only the black people of Australia. it means Native People of a certain country, d!ckhead.
Sorry we are not malay or Indonesian, otherwise we would be speaking their languages or following Islam totally. You can say we are malays/Indo over and over and still you would sound like and idi*t. Ha! You can't deal with the links that speak the truth ha! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

This post has been edited by 2ndsun: Jun 9 2008, 02:41 AM

[Pink Cream]

^lol you are an idiot. do you even know what aborigine means?

[Selkies]

i see no links of these so called evidence that filipino are come from taiwan aboringes... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) maybe aborinals coming from philippines is very possible (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
and wikipedia also has no links of these so called studies. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

"The aboriginal Taiwanese are linguistically related to the Malayo-Polynesian-speaking inhabitants of the Indonesia and the Philippines."

So that makes also the indonesians same with us, so filipino is same with MALAY-polynesian inhabitants! in short MALAY! lol!!!
Taiwanese aboringals are possibly descendants of malay-polynesians since even before columbus or magellans these people are already masters at traveling the pacific oceans and colonizing almost all the islands. Who's the idiot now? :P

I understand you folks are trying to be special because you don't like to be malay, does being not malay make your being a filipino feel superior and special? lol

This post has been edited by Selkies: Jun 9 2008, 03:09 AM

[Graham_Cracker07]

lol lol, filipinos are malay people, you will know that if u look a the mirror and try go to indonesia they look same as filipino.
Now if go to taiwan do they look like filipino? lol lol!! :P

Stop being dumb. Look up the term "Austronesian" and educate yourself. Taiwanese Aborigines were the ppl who inhabited Taiwan before all the ppl from Mainland China began to take over. The Aborigines spread into the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, and eventually all the Pacific Islands. So Indonesians/Malaysians came from Taiwanese Aborigines just like Filipinos did. You really can't be taken seriously any more because you didnt know what Aborigine meant.

[Torete_ako_sa_yo]

i see no links of these so called evidence that filipino are come from taiwan aboringes... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) maybe aborinals coming from philippines is very possible (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
and wikipedia also has no links of these so called studies. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

"The aboriginal Taiwanese are linguistically related to the Malayo-Polynesian-speaking inhabitants of the Indonesia and the Philippines."

So that makes also the indonesians same with us, so filipino is same with MALAY-polynesian inhabitants! in short MALAY! lol!!!
Taiwanese aboringals are possibly descendants of malay-polynesians since even before columbus or magellans these people are already masters at traveling the pacific oceans and colonizing almost all the islands. Who's the idiot now? :P

I understand you folks are trying to be special because you don't like to be malay, does being not malay make your being a filipino feel superior and special? lol

I think we're Malay. We are the same people of Indonesia and Malaysia.

[Pogpog]

Stop being dumb. Look up the term "Austronesian" and educate yourself. Taiwanese Aborigines were the ppl who inhabited Taiwan before all the ppl from Mainland China began to take over. The Aborigines spread into the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, and eventually all the Pacific Islands. So Indonesians/Malaysians came from Taiwanese Aborigines just like Filipinos did. You really can't be taken seriously any more because you didnt know what Aborigine meant.

Never take someone seriously who thinks he looks Spanish.

[Selkies]

Stop being dumb. Look up the term "Austronesian" and educate yourself. Taiwanese Aborigines were the ppl who inhabited Taiwan before all the ppl from Mainland China began to take over. The Aborigines spread into the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, and eventually all the Pacific Islands. So Indonesians/Malaysians came from Taiwanese Aborigines just like Filipinos did. You really can't be taken seriously any more because you didnt know what Aborigine meant.

and where did these people come from then? lol?!! they just popped out of nowhere?? of course they from the philippines!! through land bridge from south indonesia(probably sabah) connectioning to malaysia to south thailand all the way to india and middle east then africa. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)