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Spratley Islands, who owns it?
redhotchili
post Jun 26 2004, 07:55 AM
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ok, who does?

there's china, the philippines, and vietnam.

NQSH says that it should be vietnam because they've been claiming it for a hundred years.

the philippines is there because it falls on its territory. (i think we already sent people to live on that island)

the size of the islands is miniscule but it has potential for producing fuel.

so?

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there's also vietnam who sent tourists to the islands.


NQSH:
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The Spratlys has never belonged to you guys. We claimed it for over a century until somehow Philippines "discovered" it 30 years ago.


halohalo:
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Vietnam doesnt own Spratly Islands either


NQSH:
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What crap are you talking about?

Go and do some research on the history of the Spratlys.


halohalo:
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Spratly Island are claimed by different Asian nations. China, Taiwan also claim it in its entirety, not juz Vietnam, based on historical reason. Only portions are claimed by Malaysia and the Philippines.


NQSH:
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Claiming it is one thing but the actual right to claim it is another. Vietnam claims it due to historical reasons and we were the first people to inhabit it. What's Pi's reason for claiming it?


halohalo:
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The third important part of the UNCLOS is Part VI, which justifies claims by Brunei, Malaysia and the Philippines. Justification is based on proximity, not history; hence, China's and Taiwan's historical claims would not likely win arbitrated cases.

Asian Executives Poll:
In a 7 November 1996 poll, 47.6% of Asian business leaders indicated the Philippines had the strongest claim to the Spratly Islands. China accounted for 24.1% of the vote, while Vietnam claimed 13.9% of the vote, Malaysia picked up 9.6%, Taiwan carried 3.6%, and Brunei captured 1.2% of the business leaders' votes.(37)

Supposedly included in Spanish territory by the 1494 Treaty of Tordesillas....


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post Jun 28 2004, 05:38 PM
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- Cuurent status : PRC holds 6 islands, ROC holds Tai Ping Island ( Itu Aba island, the largest island in Spratly), Vietnam illegally occupies 17 islands , philippines 9, malaysia 3.


Tell me, how is it possible to illegally occupy land when the land in question has no legitimate owner, and who makes up the rules about proper ownership of disputed lands? If Vietnam illegally occupies 17 islands then what about the other countries? How are they legally occupying disputed land?

If I remember correctly, Vietnam, China and Taiwan claim the entire group of islands while Brunei, the Philippines and Malaysia claim parts of the Spratleys. History has shown that land ownership falls to the strongest nations, past claims mean nothing since even today's borders are not static. Nations have been conquering and dividing other nations and states for centuries, if it were not for certain countries that wish to maintain the status quo, the world today might look very different from our current map of the world. Besides, did all the said countries not recently agree to not going to war over the Spartleys? I wouldn't want Asian countries to be fighting each other over oil.
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- redhotchili   Spratley Islands   Jun 26 2004, 07:55 AM
- - Forumwalker   i go for halohalo's reasoning.. that's a f...   Jun 27 2004, 02:24 AM
- - dalawapo   i think the Philippines Government is too STUPID t...   Jun 27 2004, 05:03 AM
- - Forumwalker   not stupid but lacks the international influence a...   Jun 27 2004, 06:50 AM
- - Ek-ek   QUOTE (Forumwalker @ Jun 27 2004, 04:24 PM)i ...   Jun 27 2004, 10:18 PM
- - Forumwalker   at least the philippines has more right.. hehe   Jun 28 2004, 06:57 AM
- - Byron   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/asia-pacific/3714627.s...   Jun 28 2004, 05:08 PM
- - 直隸總督   http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopi...   Jun 28 2004, 05:15 PM
- - Byron   Vietnam has ancient evidence showing they were on ...   Jun 28 2004, 05:19 PM
- - Nam Quoc Son Ha   The point is Vietnam claimed it for 150 years and ...   Jun 28 2004, 05:19 PM
- - blank book   QUOTE - Cuurent status : PRC holds 6 islands, ROC ...   Jun 28 2004, 05:38 PM
- - Nam Quoc Son Ha   QUOTE (blank book @ Jun 28 2004, 06:38 PM)QUO...   Jun 28 2004, 05:50 PM
- - TopNotch   QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jun 28 2004, 06:50 P...   Jun 28 2004, 05:55 PM
- - Byron   fu-king Paracels which is undisputely ours, but wh...   Jun 28 2004, 05:57 PM
- - Nam Quoc Son Ha   That's the sneaky tactics of the shrewd imperi...   Jun 28 2004, 06:00 PM
- - TopNotch   QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jun 28 2004, 07:00 P...   Jun 28 2004, 06:03 PM
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- - blank book   Lets stay on topic and not turn another seemingly ...   Jun 28 2004, 06:09 PM
- - Byron   I'm just pissed about the Paracels. It's ...   Jun 28 2004, 06:18 PM
- - Nam Quoc Son Ha   QUOTE (Byron @ Jun 28 2004, 07:18 PM)I'm ...   Jun 28 2004, 06:23 PM
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