Malay Muslim Fanatics seize non muslim baby .. Options

[forrestcat]

I wonder whether this is the first case in decades?

The Indian woman will have no problem converting since she's not a Malay,and the child I believe could choose his religion when he grows up.

This post has been edited by forrestcat: Apr 21 2007, 09:43 PM

[swingdoctor]

I wonder whether this is the first case in decades?

The Indian woman will have no problem converting since she's not a Malay,and the child I believe could choose his religion when he grows up.

The truth is that the Indian woman was born a Muslim, as a child her parents gave her to her maternal grandmother to raise, who was Hindu. So in theory, the Indian lady will not be allowed to change religions.


Irrespective of which, a religious body should never be allowed to take a child away from their parent. This is one of the worst things that someone could do.

In past centuries the Americans tried to remove children from the "natives" to teach them to be cultured, with disasterous consequences. In the 1950's and 60 until early 70's "white" Australia tried to assimilate aboriginies into "Australian" culture, also with disasterous consequences, the children of which are now famously called the Stolen Generation. There must be extremely compellling reasons to remove children from their mothers, and religion is not one of them. We all know individuals who have grown up without adequete or no parental supervision whatso-ever and we see the consequences. This must not be allowed to happen to this little girl.

[maldini]

sad to hear all these... this happened over and over again and worsen...
muslim is such a sad religion that has no confidence with itself. look at their rules and regulations and u will know wat i meant.
tolerance? more like forcing....

[swingdoctor]

sad to hear all these... this happened over and over again and worsen...
muslim is such a sad religion that has no confidence with itself. look at their rules and regulations and u will know wat i meant.
tolerance? more like forcing....

There is nothing wrong with Islam, if I'm not mistaken Islam also says that Muslims need to treat other religions fairly and that Muslims need to live next to other religions happily. Like other religions, its the interpretation thats at fault. Its a matter of which people choose to plce more importance on.

[maldini]

There is nothing wrong with Islam, if I'm not mistaken Islam also says that Muslims need to treat other religions fairly and that Muslims need to live next to other religions happily. Like other religions, its the interpretation thats at fault. Its a matter of which people choose to plce more importance on.

the problem is... did they do that? not sure abt the converting law is in other part of the world as well?

[fadlee]

Malaysia An Unusual And Complex Country, Says Prof Khoo

By Wan A Hulaimi

LONDON, April 14 (Bernama) - A veteran Malaysian academician has described his country as "very unusual and so complex" before an audience of British Muslims.

"Malaysia is truly Asia", Emeritus Professor of History, Datuk Dr Khoo Kay Kim said in an interview-discussion which was part of the weekly event of the London City Circle Islamic group, when asked the question if there were lessons to be learnt from the role of Islam in Malaysia's plural society.

"It is not that we don't have problems. We do have problems but they stem from misunderstandings not hatred," he said.

He cited a recent event where Muslims demonstrated before a church after rumours about a group of Muslims being prepared for conversion to Christianity.

"It turned out that these boys were Indians, so the Hindu Indians made loud noises about the conversion of their children, then it turned out that these were the young children of Christian Indian parents being prepared for religious initiation," he added.

"Non-Muslims in Malaysia generally do not understand Islam because Muslims think Islam has nothing to do with non-Muslims. The Muslims in Malaysia have not seriously played the role of 'muballigh' (spreaders of religion).

"I can tell you that the Muslims are not explaining Islam to non-Muslims. Muslims also should not distance themselves (from them). I said this on TV and they got angry with me. You have to play your role as 'muballigh'.

"The young are not taught Islam properly, the fundamentals of Islam. As my Pakistani friend told me, the fundamentalist is a good Muslim who knows the fundamentals of Islam. He is not a terrorist," Prof Khoo said.

Citing the experience of his own family, he said that his son wanted to do a doctorate in Islamic Studies in Britain but was disappointed when he could not get financial assistance from Malaysian officials who asked him why a non-Muslim would want to pursue the subject of Islam.

There has been unrest in Malaysia even before the May 13 incident but generally Malaysia is a tolerant country.

The biggest statue of the reclining Buddha in that part of the world is not in Thailand but in the Islamist controlled state of Kelantan, he told the audience.

He said that the government recently wanted to promote 'Islam Hadhari', the idea of progressive Islam, but what is needed in Malaysia now is not Islam Hadhari but Muslim Hadhari, progressive Muslims who reach out to non-Muslims and explain their religion.

"Islam in Malaysia has never really been given the opportunity to cross over to the non-Muslims because they (the Muslims) have been told not to," he said.

Asked if the New Economic Policy affected the climate of tolerance in Malaysia, he said that tolerance is always there but the division of parties meant that the politicians are always looking at racial issues.

"We have to make our young comfortable with one another," he said.

"People like to preserve their cultural identity. But you have to explain to them that if they become part of a nation then questions like cultural identity will no longer matter."

He said that the government is now realising this and is looking for better ways to integrate the young through the education system.

Elaborating on the Rukunegara, he said that the children are asked to learn the principles of nationhood by rote without understanding its content.

"The Asian approach to education is very mechanical. They learn by rote, they believe in the correct answer. The Malaysian education system is like that, you must always give the correct answer, you must always ask the correct question.

The students are asked to memorise the Rukunegara, the Rule of Law and so on, but if you ask them what the Rule of Law is they don't know." he said.

Forty years on, Prof Khoo, a member of the panel that formulated the Rukunegara holds this view: "So far it has no serious effect on society."

But even with all that, Malaysia is still a 'blessed society', he said.

When a member of the audience told him that she was not as optimistic on the future of the country, Prof Khoo replied that he had lived 70 years in Malaysia through thick and thin, and the country had always been able to overcome its problems.

"You should not listen to people who complain too much; you should listen to people who take the trouble to know the country," he said.

-- BERNAMA

[swingdoctor]

the problem is... did they do that? not sure abt the converting law is in other part of the world as well?

As I understand there are generally 2 different groups of ideologies, the Arab one which Malaysia is leaning towards and the Turkish one. The Arab one places emphasis on religion controlling everything, which in their system is ok as virtually 100% of the population is Muslim. The Turks have on many occasion rejected the idea of making Turkey an Islamic state and have chosen for Turkey remaining a truly secular country, people outside Islam would see this as being more "modrate". Malaysia in theory is supposed to be a secular society, in some aspects it is but in some aspects its not. The concerning thing for non Muslims is that in the past few years, we are seeing the increasing "Arabisation" of Malaysia. One begs the question, why do people think they are better Muslims?

Even in Australia, some Arab Muslims feel they are "better" Muslims then other Muslims.

[etano]

the problem is... did they do that? not sure abt the converting law is in other part of the world as well?

In Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country , Muslims are free to convert to another religion.

[maldini]

In Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country , Muslims are free to convert to another religion.

so that's mean there is no rule in muslim prohibit muslim to convert to other? only in msia have such rule? if so, i apologize for my earlier statement... i shld said those in MALAYSIA ONLY.... really malaysia BOLEH?

[Bhaskara]

Nope, there is no such rule in Indonesia. People are free to choose their own religion. The official religions (Islam, Catholic, Protestant, Hindu, Buddha, etc) of course. Not some orgy or genocide sects or sumthin'

[HangPC2]

In Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country , Muslims are free to convert to another religion.

patutlah ditimpa bala bencana setiap tahun...

[firdausj]

[quote name='HangPC2' date='May, 08:37 PM' post='2966328']
patutlah ditimpa bala bencana setiap tahun...
[/quote

Inilah contoh komentar dari orang yang otaknya ada di dengkul ...

[Jasel]

Wow that is crazy and disgusting

[swingdoctor]

so that's mean there is no rule in muslim prohibit muslim to convert to other? only in msia have such rule? if so, i apologize for my earlier statement... i shld said those in MALAYSIA ONLY.... really malaysia BOLEH?

No all the countries(which I can think of) where Muslim is the State religion do not allow muslims to convert. So its not Malaysia only.

[Betong]

Inilah contoh komentar dari orang yang otaknya ada di dengkul ...

Ha ini pula dari orang yang takde adab langsung

[HangPC2]

Ha ini pula dari orang yang takde adab langsung

Aku Setuju

[firdausj]

Aku Setuju

Wakakakakak .............
Soal agama itu sih urusan dan tanggung-jawab masing-masing individu sama TUHAN ...
Apa hubungannya dengan banyaknya bencana ????

Ayak-ayak wae ni budak !!!!

[swingdoctor]

Wakakakakak .............
Soal agama itu sih urusan dan tanggung-jawab masing-masing individu sama TUHAN ...
Apa hubungannya dengan banyaknya bencana ????

Ayak-ayak wae ni budak !!!!

I agree. Where are you studying in Melb?

[firdausj]

I agree. Where are you studying in Melb?

I was living there for a short time when working with ANZ.

[HangPC2]

sendiri paham lah kenaper ditimpa musibah mesti ada kesilapan...