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ORIGINS OF THE MALAY RACE
pattiasina
post May 18 2007, 09:57 AM
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The Malay ethnic groups are considered to be one of the many Austranesian groups according to anthropolists. Their origins are as follows:

The actual original malay natives known as the Sakis predates from the cretan age , in which according to the Out of Africa Theory, several African native tribes migarted out of Africa and dispersed themselves into the various Malay islands of today and inhibited the densely forested and mountainous terrains. The word sakis was a term used by the later Austranesain migrants in reference to the already settled original native indegenious who had no recored history or language . The trem means savages becasue these ethinc groups were very backward and primitve, surving only by hunting and fishing in the wild and half dressed. Today, they inhibit the Cameron highlands.

The Austronesains who came as the later wave of migrants and colonisers intermarried the local natives. There were:
1.Central mogoloids who poured out of te sino-tibetan buramese border or the west Tibeten turkic nomads
2. The Thai bumis who were the Mani people who settled in Siam
3. Chinese minority tribes from Yuanan such as the Dais of kunming and yis aof Yuanan who settled in North vietnam of tonkin and Annam and Cambodia . They later became the Torajans in sulawesi and Dayaks and Bajaus in East Kalimantan and te Aeta people from the hills into the Phillipines
4. the natives from Kasmir and the Amanda Isalnds who sailed from the Bay of Bengal and poured into the ploylnesain Isalnds, New Zealand and across the Trans-pacific into the Philippines , Kalimantan, sumatra and central Java. They bacame the Bataks and varios tribes of Java.

Malaysain and Singapore Malays such as the Orang luats originted from the Thai period in the Diva Patra Empire before the trun of the first century. Thailand was the mother and the ancester of the Malay races when the first Thai written empire was formed and founded by King Magrai the great who expanded his empire at the Mekong delta basin in today's Changrai. As the Mekong was infested by pirate raid activities, Mangrai the great traced the priates's route down south East Asia into Cambodia, Loas and Indonesia , extending trade and Thai influences over to the rest of the Malay arcehpalgo world southwards and downwards, leaving traces of Thai influnces and trade relations till present day of today's Asian Pacific regional relationships.
In the meantime, the Austranesain groups and the Chinese were highly knowledagle in seafaring navigation, traced an ancient trade route by sea from the middle east , Africa and Europe all the way to the Polynesian pacific and the gulf of Carpenteria in today's north Darwin .
Consequently, the local Thai natives and the malay natives intergrated and intermarried in its very early evolution, as accoroding to the Malay Sejarah.
100 BC circa was the time of the Langasuka Kingdom, when gold was discovered in north Kedah . This was the period refered to as the Golden Chesrone by Poltemy. This legendary kingdom of gold was the bedrock of the Malay Malaysain cradle of civilization for discovery of Gold led to trade wtih the neighbouring region of India, China, Arabia and the Middle east. Mixtures of Arabia, Thai , India and China blened into the Malay races when trade expanded into the Gulf of Siam eastwards of today's Pulau Langkawi. Langkawi has ample archelogocal evidences of sophiscated gold crafts and pottery that tell of this rich ancient civilization of Langasuka. Its commercail ties with neighouring regions established the Asean trading relationships of present day.

As according to the Malay Sejarah, Langasuka was ruled by king Wongaksan who was desecended of King Alexandra. This suggests its origins from the lower Greek Dravidain and indo-Aryan ancestroy of the Malay austranesian groups .
A point worth noting is also that the term Malay according to the Maleyu Sejarah originated from Sri Lanka . The Ramananya which described the monkey -god Hamunan's resuce of King Rama's consort, sita from the demon king Ravina, lived in a city of gold in an island in Sri Lanka. this city of gold was called Malayan , supporting the evidence that Malay culture originated from the riches of India when its nation was rich and powerful in gold and spices.

The Indonesian Malay bumi groups on theother hand originated from the Kutai Kingdom of today's east Kalimantan in today's Tenggrong Melayu state, following the Kashmir and Indo-Aryan migration. It was also accompanied by the spread of Brahman Hinduism from Thailand and Kelantan or Pan Pan in the fourtyh century by trade and the latter migrations spreaded themselves into Sumatra and Central Java. There was also the Mingnangkabau or Bufflao poeple migration into central Java, Boneo and eventaully into Negri Sembelan in Malacca. Their bufflao horn architectres and edifaces still remains as evidences of its migrationary diversity.

Malaysia gained its initial independence from Thailand when the 5 states of Malaya prospered as a result of the gold mines and trade in black pepper and spices such as Mace and cardimons from India and Sri Lanka. Retrospectively, historical precedence of the discovery of any rare and precious valuables, be it coffe in Brazil , The Eureka Stockade and the Lambing falt riots of the Victorian gold rushes , would inevitably inspire and lead to avarice, migrant struggles and settlements, bloodshed and political cum economic soical hiest and mayhems of the day. In short a double two-edged sword syndrome.
The sultans of the five Malayan states were no exception. They were the ruling heads of the states of Kedah, Kelantan , Perlis, Perak and Trengganu which originally were under Thai dominance and belonged to Thailand when Mengri the great empire extended into Malaysia and Singapore . Malaysia and Singpore also originally belonged to Thailand. Their newly found wealth , power and prosperity catalysted and spurred them to independence, resulting in the Kedah blockade . The hegemony of these five states subsequently reduced Thai domince only to the recognistion of its suzeraintiy , paying resepct and tribute to Thailand with gestures of the golden orchids or flowers as their state emblem.
This is why Malaysain PMs such as Dr. Mahatir are presented with golden aritifical flowers as insignia during important state ceremonies.

It was much later in the Malay archepalogo history of the 18 centry that Malaysia and Singapore Malays became influenced regionally by the Johore-Rau islands alliances and the Bugis who colonised Malaysia briefly.
Thus the riches of tis heritage this present day.

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Conceptually, a 'Malay' person should be looked at 2 level: (1) A 'Malay' at a RACE, stock or racial stock level, and (2) A 'Malay' at the ETHNIC level. See Wikipedia explanation at:(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_race) and (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_people)

(1) Malay at the ethnic level

A person can be RACIALLY Malay but still ETHNICALLY not a Malay. But all ethnic Malays ara racially Malays. Confused? Ethnic Malays live mainly in Malaysia, Indonesia Thailand, Singapore and Brunei.

Other ethnic groups within the Malay RACE but definitely not ethnically Malays are Javanese, Sundanese, Bataks, Minangkabaus, Acehnese, Banjarese and Bugis (examples from Indonesia), Tetum, Mambae, Tukudede, Galoli and Kemak (examples from East Timor) and Tagalogs,Cebuano, Ilocano, Bisaya, Hiligaynon and Bikol (examples from Philippines).

Today there are 22 million ethnic Malays living in Malaysia (about 12 milion; 2006 census), Indonesia (about 7 milion; 2000 census), Thailand (about 2 million; 2006 census), Singapore (0.6 million; 2006 census) and Brunei (about 0.25 million; 2006 census).

Malaysia has the largest single group of ethnic Malays. Malaysia and Brunei are the only ethnic Malay states in the world. Ethnically, Indonesia and Philipines are not ethnic Malay states although they are Malay states at the race level.


Ethnic Malays are an ethnic group of the Austronesian peoples, they speak Bahasa Melayu (literally means Malay language), the language which is now the official/national language of Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei and in Indonesia where it is modified and renamed Bahasa Indonesia (literally means Indonesian language)

The Malay people are believed to have originated in Borneo and then expanded outwards into Sumatra and later into the Malay Peninsula. These people were descendants of Austronesian-speakers who migrated from the Philippines and originally from Taiwan. The main foundation of this school of thought lies in the fact that the oldest Malay settlements have been discovered in Sumatra and not in the Malay Peninsula. This suggests an upward - south to north - migratory route.

The word "Malay" was adopted into English via the Dutch word "Malayo", itself from Portuguese "Malaio", which originates from the Malay word "Melayu". According to one popular theory, the word Melayu means "migrating" or "fleeing", which might refer to the high mobility of these people across the region.

(2) Malay at the race, stock and racial stock level

Malay as a race not limited to just ethnic Malays is a concept espoused by westerners (Stamford Raffles and Johann Frederich Blumenbach). Malays as a single race refer to all indigeneous peoples of Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Madagascar, Brunei, Singapore and East Timor. All indigeneous ethnic groups of these countries, Malays and otherwise, are al Malays racially. So, Javanese, Bataks, Bugis, Tetum, Mumbae, Bisaya, cebuano, Merina, Betsileo (Madagascar) .. and least but not least, ethnic Malaysa themselves are all MALAYS.

This means over 90% of people of Philippines and Indonesia are Malays, about 60% in Malaysia, about 70% in Brunei.

At racial level, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, Philippines, Madagascar are all Malay states. Indonesia is correct when it says only 7% of its people are Malays. Philippines is also correct when it says 98% of its people are Malays. They use different levels to define 'Malay'.

In Malaysia. 'Malay' is defined very differently.





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post May 18 2007, 01:19 PM
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The Thais haven't a strong influence in the Malay World and we are a very mongolid country (like all countries of Indochina excluding Malaysia).

But in Madagascar live many Malay people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar
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What 'bout the region at Pattani and its vicinity ?
I thought that region was a cradle of the Malaysian civilization, no ?

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Are Taiwanese aborigines part of the 'Malay Race'?
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QUOTE(Jc2 @ May 18 2007, 02:08 PM) [snapback]2952698[/snapback]
Are Taiwanese aborigines part of the 'Malay Race'?


taiwan aborgines dna show close affinity to daic populations than to malay on one side, and malay dna show a closer affinity to daic population than to taiwanese aborigines on the other side. malay was just a small tribe splitered from daic in and around southeast coastal china long long ago...



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QUOTE(Esfandiari @ May, 11:16 PM) [snapback]2952233[/snapback]
In Malaysia. 'Malay' is defined very differently.


What is the definition of "Malay" in Malaysia ?
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QUOTE(Esfandiari @ May 18 2007, 11:16 AM) [snapback]2952233[/snapback]
Conceptually, a 'Malay' person should be looked at 2 level: (1) A 'Malay' at a RACE, stock or racial stock level, and (2) A 'Malay' at the ETHNIC level. See Wikipedia explanation at:(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_race) and (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_people)

(1) Malay at the ethnic level

A person can be RACIALLY Malay but still ETHNICALLY not a Malay. But all ethnic Malays ara racially Malays. Confused? Ethnic Malays live mainly in Malaysia, Indonesia Thailand, Singapore and Brunei.

Other ethnic groups within the Malay RACE but definitely not ethnically Malays are Javanese, Sundanese, Bataks, Minangkabaus, Acehnese, Banjarese and Bugis (examples from Indonesia), Tetum, Mambae, Tukudede, Galoli and Kemak (examples from East Timor) and Tagalogs,Cebuano, Ilocano, Bisaya, Hiligaynon and Bikol (examples from Philippines).

Today there are 22 million ethnic Malays living in Malaysia (about 12 milion; 2006 census), Indonesia (about 7 milion; 2000 census), Thailand (about 2 million; 2006 census), Singapore (0.6 million; 2006 census) and Brunei (about 0.25 million; 2006 census).

Malaysia has the largest single group of ethnic Malays. Malaysia and Brunei are the only ethnic Malay states in the world. Ethnically, Indonesia and Philipines are not ethnic Malay states although they are Malay states at the race level.
Ethnic Malays are an ethnic group of the Austronesian peoples, they speak Bahasa Melayu (literally means Malay language), the language which is now the official/national language of Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei and in Indonesia where it is modified and renamed Bahasa Indonesia (literally means Indonesian language)

The Malay people are believed to have originated in Borneo and then expanded outwards into Sumatra and later into the Malay Peninsula. These people were descendants of Austronesian-speakers who migrated from the Philippines and originally from Taiwan. The main foundation of this school of thought lies in the fact that the oldest Malay settlements have been discovered in Sumatra and not in the Malay Peninsula. This suggests an upward - south to north - migratory route.

The word "Malay" was adopted into English via the Dutch word "Malayo", itself from Portuguese "Malaio", which originates from the Malay word "Melayu". According to one popular theory, the word Melayu means "migrating" or "fleeing", which might refer to the high mobility of these people across the region.

(2) Malay at the race, stock and racial stock level

Malay as a race not limited to just ethnic Malays is a concept espoused by westerners (Stamford Raffles and Johann Frederich Blumenbach). Malays as a single race refer to all indigeneous peoples of Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Madagascar, Brunei, Singapore and East Timor. All indigeneous ethnic groups of these countries, Malays and otherwise, are al Malays racially. So, Javanese, Bataks, Bugis, Tetum, Mumbae, Bisaya, cebuano, Merina, Betsileo (Madagascar) .. and least but not least, ethnic Malaysa themselves are all MALAYS.

This means over 90% of people of Philippines and Indonesia are Malays, about 60% in Malaysia, about 70% in Brunei.

At racial level, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, Philippines, Madagascar are all Malay states. Indonesia is correct when it says only 7% of its people are Malays. Philippines is also correct when it says 98% of its people are Malays. They use different levels to define 'Malay'.

In Malaysia. 'Malay' is defined very differently.

No, there is no confusion and should not be . It is very correct to say that the Malay race as a race is awestrrnised term in reference to the indegenious people of the austronesain diversity of Malaysia, Thailand, Burma, Indonesia, the Phillipines and the Austranesain world. This also includes Vietnam, Cambodia, Papua NG of Iran Jaya and timor , the pacific islanders and the Austranesain Taiwanese brown skin races . The christain missionaries also coin the native ingenious of these regions of the Malay Archepalago because it was too confusing and interparse for them to differeniate them and the confucion remains till present day. Ethnically, Borneo and Indonesain tribes are not Malays and don't
consider themsleves as such. In fact they might get angry being termed so becasue they possess a higher learned aptitude than the more primitive stocks of Malaysia who were more backward, primitive and not literate without any wrting system.
The Malay Orang Asli or the oriignal proto malays don't fit into this category either . As such, the Seamng, Semois, Junkuns, wongchae , Selatar and Tanemura are still very withdrawn and don't want to embracre progress and development , keeping to a earth-bound and shamatic harmonous life with nature, land and sea . This has been the very cause of great hinderance confronted by the government , not wanting to give way to Timber logging as deforestization will disrupt the natural eco system. It wasformer PM Mahatir's bumiputra inititative which brought them out fairly into the open and to intermarry and intergrate.

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QUOTE(Esfandiari @ May 18 2007, 11:16 AM) [snapback]2952233[/snapback]
Conceptually, a 'Malay' person should be looked at 2 level: (1) A 'Malay' at a RACE, stock or racial stock level, and (2) A 'Malay' at the ETHNIC level. See Wikipedia explanation at:(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_race) and (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_people)

(1) Malay at the ethnic level

A person can be RACIALLY Malay but still ETHNICALLY not a Malay. But all ethnic Malays ara racially Malays. Confused? Ethnic Malays live mainly in Malaysia, Indonesia Thailand, Singapore and Brunei.

Other ethnic groups within the Malay RACE but definitely not ethnically Malays are Javanese, Sundanese, Bataks, Minangkabaus, Acehnese, Banjarese and Bugis (examples from Indonesia), Tetum, Mambae, Tukudede, Galoli and Kemak (examples from East Timor) and Tagalogs,Cebuano, Ilocano, Bisaya, Hiligaynon and Bikol (examples from Philippines).

Today there are 22 million ethnic Malays living in Malaysia (about 12 milion; 2006 census), Indonesia (about 7 milion; 2000 census), Thailand (about 2 million; 2006 census), Singapore (0.6 million; 2006 census) and Brunei (about 0.25 million; 2006 census).

Malaysia has the largest single group of ethnic Malays. Malaysia and Brunei are the only ethnic Malay states in the world. Ethnically, Indonesia and Philipines are not ethnic Malay states although they are Malay states at the race level.
Ethnic Malays are an ethnic group of the Austronesian peoples, they speak Bahasa Melayu (literally means Malay language), the language which is now the official/national language of Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei and in Indonesia where it is modified and renamed Bahasa Indonesia (literally means Indonesian language)

The Malay people are believed to have originated in Borneo and then expanded outwards into Sumatra and later into the Malay Peninsula. These people were descendants of Austronesian-speakers who migrated from the Philippines and originally from Taiwan. The main foundation of this school of thought lies in the fact that the oldest Malay settlements have been discovered in Sumatra and not in the Malay Peninsula. This suggests an upward - south to north - migratory route.

Yes, this is infac histroically true. As written, the earlier segement of the Malay people did originate from Borneo in the Kutai Kingdom of East Kalimantan Tenggrong Malay kingdom in the 100 BC.

The word "Malay" was adopted into English via the Dutch word "Malayo", itself from Portuguese "Malaio", which originates from the Malay word "Melayu". According to one popular theory, the word Melayu means "migrating" or "fleeing", which might refer to the high mobility of these people across the region.

(2) Malay at the race, stock and racial stock level

Malay as a race not limited to just ethnic Malays is a concept espoused by westerners (Stamford Raffles and Johann Frederich Blumenbach). Malays as a single race refer to all indigeneous peoples of Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Madagascar, Brunei, Singapore and East Timor. All indigeneous ethnic groups of these countries, Malays and otherwise, are al Malays racially. So, Javanese, Bataks, Bugis, Tetum, Mumbae, Bisaya, cebuano, Merina, Betsileo (Madagascar) .. and least but not least, ethnic Malaysa themselves are all MALAYS.

This means over 90% of people of Philippines and Indonesia are Malays, about 60% in Malaysia, about 70% in Brunei.

At racial level, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, Philippines, Madagascar are all Malay states. Indonesia is correct when it says only 7% of its people are Malays. Philippines is also correct when it says 98% of its people are Malays. They use different levels to define 'Malay'.

In Malaysia. 'Malay' is defined very differently.

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post May 19 2007, 06:51 AM
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QUOTE(KUH @ May 18 2007, 01:19 PM) [snapback]2952435[/snapback]
The Thais haven't a strong influence in the Malay World and we are a very mongolid country (like all countries of Indochina excluding Malaysia).

But in Madagascar live many Malay people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar


Quite true . The Thais were in fact the Mani people as part of the Austranesain migration and the turkic tibetan burmese sino natives central mogoliods who debuted after the ice at the tibetan plateau.
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QUOTE(ZturboZ @ May 18 2007, 02:50 PM) [snapback]2952567[/snapback]
What 'bout the region at Pattani and its vicinity ?
I thought that region was a cradle of the Malaysian civilization, no ?


Yes, but Pattani and Pan Pan as part of the Kelantan kingdom emerged in thier role as the Maaly civilisation was much later in the 4 Century by trade. Also, Braham Hinduism which spreaded Sri Lanka to Thailand, Indonesia , Cambodia, Vietnam and Denpasar in the 4 century were of the Gupta empire in north India and the Merayu Kingdoms of south India. These migratory Phenomena gave the Indian dimension to the Malay Heritage.
Kelantan's influence such of Pan Pan and Pattani is most evidence in food and wedding ceremonies ----- the offering of rice cakes and dishes as sacrifical and auspicius food . The most obvious example is the Nasi tumpang or the Pyramid cone -shaped Nasi kuning eaten for luck and porsperity for wedding guests. In Kelantan where it originated, nasi kuning wrapped in conical banana leaves with meat pieces of curried chicken , fish and beef were scared offerign to the gods. The colour of yellow was also made to reflected the auspisce and prestige of gold since the golden Chersone of Langasuka. Many Malay people today don't know of its origins. This dish was subsequently transplanted into Java in relation to volcanic worship and predestiantion of marriage accrding to God's will . The colour of gold in reflection of the prestige of gold was also adopted by India and China by the wearing of yellow garaments for Majestic imperail robes . In these feudal societies, common people were totally forbidden to wear anything yellowish.

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QUOTE(Jc2 @ May 18 2007, 04:08 PM) [snapback]2952698[/snapback]
Are Taiwanese aborigines part of the 'Malay Race'?

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QUOTE(Jc2 @ May 18 2007, 04:08 PM) [snapback]2952698[/snapback]
Are Taiwanese aborigines part of the 'Malay Race'?


They were part of the Austranesain migration after the ice age but not the actual Malaysain malays. Malaysain Malays and Borneo and Bali came from the Dais and the Yis of Yuanan in China.
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QUOTE(firdausj @ May 19 2007, 05:00 AM) [snapback]2953885[/snapback]
What is the definition of "Malay" in Malaysia ?


In response to Firdausi's question: What is the definition of "Malay" in Malaysia?

There is a joke in Malaysia: When is a Malay a 'Malay'? When he is not a 'non-Malay' ethnic Chinese or Indian!! And an Iban or Kadazan isn't a Malay or a non-Malay either but a 'Bumiputra' just like the Malays which means that ethnic Chinese and Indians are neither Malay nor Bumiputra!! Pretty confusing huh??

Seriously speaking ...a "Malay" in Malaysia is CONSTITUTIONALLY defined as: (1) a person who is a Muslim of the Sunni branch of Islam of the Shafie mazhah (school) of thought, (2) having both or one of the parents as Malays, (3) habitually living according to Malay culture and customs including having Malay as a mother tongue, and (4) parents or ancestors from any part of Malay world but having lived in Malaysia on or before Malaysia day.

So under condition (1), one has to be a Muslim of the Sunni Shafie variety to be a Malay in Malaysia, meaning that Arab Muslims, Indian Muslims or Persian Muslims, for example, can't be Malays because they are not of correct Muslim specification under our Constitution

Under condition (2), either one or both parents must be Malays. So, a a child of mixed Malay-Chinese, mixed Malay-Indian, mixed Malay-Arab, mixed Malay-Siamese marriages, etc, is still a Malay, of course other conditions being satisfied too.

Under condition (3), one is a Malay only if he lives habitually according to what are prescribed as Malay customs, Malay adat istiadat, Malay culture, habitually speak Malay, has Malay as mother tongue, live as a Muslim,etc ... of course, other conditions being satisfied too.

Under conditon (4), people of Malay race from regions that now form Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, Philippines, etc, are Malays if on or before Malaysia Day (August 31 1965) they or their ancestors lived in Malaysia. So, technically, all Javanese,Bugis,Banjars,Boyan (Bawean), Kerincis,Mandailings, Minangkabaus, southern Thai Malays, Brunei Malays,etc are all Malays if they had been in Malaysia on or before Malaysia Day.... as long as as they are Muslims of Shafie Sunni sect.

But Malaysia is unique .. it is only here that all ethnics of the Malay race willingly and proudly accept the label "Malay" for them regardless of whether they are ethnically Malay, Javanese, Minangkabau, Bugis, etc. In Indonesia, for example, I am not sure if an ethnic Javanese wants to be called a "Malay". Officially, there are no "Javanese" or "Bugis" or "Minang" or "Banjar" or "Boyan" in Malaysia .... for these people, only the label "Malay" is found on all their official documnets.

Of course, people who come from Indonesia or Philippines to Malaysia TODAY are no longer accepted as "Malays" .. they are simply officially labeled as "Indonesians" or "Filipinos" in offical documents ... it is already past Malaysia Day ... so, they are constitutionally not "Malays" in Malaysia.


Interesting facts about some Malaysians:

The first Prime Minister of Malaysia (Tunku Abdul Rahman) was mixed Malay-Siamese (mother was Manjalara, a Siamese princess). The 2nd PM (Tun Abdul Razak) was ethnically Bugis. Ther 3rd PM (Hussein Onn) was mixed Malay-Arab-Turkish. His famous cousin, Ungku Aziz was even more complicated .. mixed Malay-Arab-Turkish-English!! The 4th PM (Mahathir Mohammed) is mixed Malay-Indian (his grandpa came from Kerala, India and married a Malay woman to give birth to his father, Mohammed). The present and 5th PM (Abdullah Badawai) is mixed Malay-Chinese (his grandpa was a Chinese Muslim from Hainan, China who married a Malay woman to give birth to his mother Kailan). Abdullah Badawi's late wife, Endon, was mixed Malay-Japanese (her mother Japanese, father Malay). Musa Hitam, Malaysia's former deputy PM was mixed Malay-Chinese (mother a Chinese). He married a Peruvian woman, so his children mixed Malay-Chinese-Peruviano.

Selangor State current Chief Minister (Khir Toyo bin Toyo) and Johor State current Chief Minister (Abdulah Ghani) are Malays of Javanese ethnicity. The majority of Malays in Negri Sembilan State are ethnic Minangkabaus who still practice Adat Perpatih and their Sultan/Yang Dipertuan Besar descended from Pagarruyung in Sumatra. The Sultans of Selangor and Johor States are Malay Sultans of Bugis ethnicity.

P.Ramlee, Malaysia's famous anak seni (artist) was partly Acehnese (father, Teuku Nyak Puteh, an Acehnese from Aceh) and partly Malay (mother, Che Mah Hussein, a Malay).
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Being a Malaysian Malay myself, I believe the definition of "Malay" in Malaysia is very much influenced by the sociopolitical conditions facing the Malays in Malaysia during the British colonial era.

Faced with a massive influx of immigration to Malaysia by Chinese and Indians from China and India during British colonial period, Malays were nearly reduced to a minority within their own country .... in fact even today, Malays constitute only about 50% of the Malaysian population vis-a-vis 50% ethnic Chinese, Indians and Sab-Sar (Sabah-Sarawak) Bumiputra indigeneous peoples. If Sab-Sar indigeneous people are put together with Malays, Bumiputra comprises about 65% of Malaysia's population. Etnic Malaysian Chinese constitue about 27% and Indians about 8% of our population. These are just rough figures.

Faced with threat of diminution by immigrants from China and India, all indigeneous ethnic groups in Tanah Melayu or Malaya (now Peninsular or West Malaysia) banded themselves together into single group called "MALAY" ... regardless whether they were Malays, Javanese, Banjars, Bugis, Boyan, etc. After all, they all shared many common cultural characteristics, the most important of which are Islam as the shared religion and Bahasa Melayu as the shared lingua franca. The Chinese and the Indians, on the other hand, evolved into opposite group called "NON-MALAY".

So, now we have a "national" Malaysian racial dichotomy of "Malay" and "Non-Malay". This dichotomy later on become sort of institutionalized, having being acceoted as legal official terms by both the British colonial government in Tanah Melayu/Malaya and later on by the government of independent Malaya/Malaysia. The two groups (Malay and Non-Malay) tried their best to co-exist peacefully although tensions did arise from time to time, mostly on political, economic and socila issues. The peak of these interracial tensions culminated with the "May 13 Tragedy" when Malays on one side and Non-Malays on the other side physically went after each other's throats. The latest one, though on small scale, was the "Kampung Medan Issue" between Malays and Indians. But we Malaysian are trying hard to achieve racial harmony.

The British colonialists themselves realized that Malays could be overwhelmed economically and numerically if not prorected. One of the things that they did to protect was to legislate the Malay Reserve Land Act in the 1930s prohibiting Non-Malays from buying up certain category of Malay-owned land. The Act remains till this day. Under this Act, huge parcels of land were categorized as Malay Reserve Land and off-limit to non-Malays. The Kampung Baru district of Kuala Lumpur is another area protected by a Bristish legislation in 1930s to protect Malays from losing land in KL. The Act is called Malay Agriculture Settlement Act and it remains to this day, and is more vigorous in protecting Malay-owned land than the Malay Reserve Land Act.

Anyway, back to issue of "Malay" race ... so,that is what we Malays are in Malaysia, quite disticntly defined from Malays of other Malay states.
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post May 19 2007, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE(Esfandiari @ May, 10:30 PM) [snapback]2954140[/snapback]
Anyway, back to issue of "Malay" race ... so,that is what we Malays are in Malaysia, quite disticntly defined from Malays of other Malay states.


Thank you Esfandiari for your comprehensive explanation.

Now I can understand, as Indonesian, the "psychology and political" position of Malay people in your country.

I can also understand and acknowledge why your people (also your gov't) are "very-very" proud to your Malay culture.


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post May 20 2007, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE(firdausj @ May 19 2007, 11:41 PM) [snapback]2955109[/snapback]
Thank you Esfandiari for your comprehensive explanation.

Now I can understand, as Indonesian, the "psychology and political" position of Malay people in your country.

I can also understand and acknowledge why your people (also your gov't) are "very-very" proud to your Malay culture.



Thanks to u too! "Malay" is defined under Article 160 of the Federal Constitution of Malaysia.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Malay

"[edit] Definition of a Malay
Main article: Article 160 of the Constitution of Malaysia
The article defines a Malay as a Malaysian citizen born to a Malaysian citizen who professes to be a Muslim, habitually speaks the Malay language, adheres to Malay customs, and is domiciled in Malaysia or Singapore. As a result, Malay citizens who convert out of Islam are no longer considered Malay under the law. Likewise, a non-Malay Malaysian who converts to Islam can claim to be a Malay, provided he meets the other conditions."


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post May 20 2007, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(pattiasina @ May 18 2007, 09:57 AM) [snapback]2952089[/snapback]
Malaysain and Singapore Malays such as the Orang luats originted from the Thai period in the Diva Patra Empire before the trun of the first century. Thailand was the mother and the ancester of the Malay races when the first Thai written empire was formed and founded by King Magrai the great who expanded his empire at the Mekong delta basin in today's Changrai. As the Mekong was infested by pirate raid activities, Mangrai the great traced the priates's route down south East Asia into Cambodia, Loas and Indonesia , extending trade and Thai influences over to the rest of the Malay arcehpalgo world southwards and downwards, leaving traces of Thai influnces and trade relations till present day of today's Asian Pacific regional relationships.

Care to explain about this. Did the King Magrai only live about (1239-1317) and his Kingdom was ChiangRai ? and certainly Malay Malaysian culture was started long before that? And do you say that Ayudhya was actually a Malay (Thailand) kingdom by referring that Thailand (or maybe just southern part of Thailand???) was ancestor of Malay races..
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Yeah betong is rite... gomo betong gomo...
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