What do Indonesian surnames say abt their lineage? |
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What do Indonesian surnames say abt their lineage? |
Jun 22 2007, 12:29 AM
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AF Supreme Group: Members Posts: 13,151 Joined: 18-January 06 From: singadangdang! |
I found this thread in the Thai Chat extremely interesting... someone is saying that the shorter the surname, the more of a higher status they are in the Thai society....or in actual fact, the shorter the surname the more native they are. Which means many chinese thais tend to have seriously long surnames as they are trying to assimilate to the Thai society.. is that more or less the same also in Indonesia??
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Jun 24 2007, 02:47 AM
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AF Elite Group: Members Posts: 5,662 Joined: 6-October 06 From: Zamrud Khatulistiwa |
Tangyyy.... I've already explained those points!
1. Surnames are used in Indonesia, but not all of us have them, and the government doesn't require us to have one either. But for those who do have them (like Bataks, Manadonese, some Chinese,etc) wear them proudly. 2. Yeah, something like that. But not always. 3. Same as the above, not always. 4. Not only those suffixes. Like I was saying before, those who have Indonesian surnames incorporated their Chinese surname onto their Indonesian surname. Examples: Chinese Surname = Indonesian Surname Tan = Tanujaya Lim = Salim Chan = Chandrawinata Those are how Chinese Indonesians typically create their Indonesian Surname. Example: Lim Sieo Liong became Sudono Salim. So, relating to the issue of surnames, there are at least 3 types of Chinese Indonesians: 1. Those who adopt Indonesian name and doesn't care about taking any surnames. Example: Susi Susanti, where Susanti is not a surname. 2. Those who incorporate their Chinese surname onto their Indonesian surname. Example: Sudono Salim, where Salim is derived from Lim. 3. Those who keep their original Chinese surname. Example: Ivana Lie. |
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tangawizi What do Indonesian surnames say abt their lineage? Jun 22 2007, 12:29 AM
Bhaskara Err... Surnames mean different things to different... Jun 22 2007, 03:47 AM
singapak2 QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jun 22 2007, 03:47 AM) 3... Jun 22 2007, 10:23 AM

han2 QUOTE(singapak2 @ Jun 23 2007, 12:23 AM) ... Jun 22 2007, 11:01 AM
NEWGINAFETS QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jun 22 2007, 12:47 AM) 3... Aug 8 2007, 11:08 AM
singapak2 ok. But my other pure Indo Chinese friends have su... Jun 22 2007, 11:07 AM
Majapahitans In ancient Indonesia people with higher status oft... Jun 22 2007, 01:23 PM
tangawizi Thx guys, so it seems that we can summarise as fol... Jun 23 2007, 04:02 AM
peculiar-alien QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jun 23 2007, 04:02 AM) ... Jun 25 2007, 03:37 AM
pencakarlangit I've read somewhere where during suharto era, ... Jun 22 2007, 03:45 PM
Bhaskara @majjy: We're talking about surnames here... Jun 22 2007, 08:48 PM
Majapahitans QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jun 22 2007, 08:48 PM) 3... Jun 23 2007, 03:46 AM
tangawizi so Bhas, can we same the same for Indonesia as in ... Jun 24 2007, 03:16 AM
Bhaskara The answer is no, and no.
1. No, because AFAIK, a ... Jun 24 2007, 03:29 AM
Bhaskara I agree with you on the 1st point, peccy. I feel s... Jun 25 2007, 04:01 AM
singapak2 I have a Singaporean Malay(Bugis ethnic) who has a... Jun 25 2007, 04:28 AM
Bhaskara Those are actually titles.... not all of those who... Jun 25 2007, 04:44 AM
singapak2 Laden is a father's name... lolx.. Jun 25 2007, 04:50 AM
Bhaskara Yeah, it annoys me when western people think use ... Jun 25 2007, 04:58 AM
singapak2 QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jun 25 2007, 04:58 AM) 3... Jun 26 2007, 04:34 AM
tangawizi QUOTE(singapak2 @ Jun 26 2007, 12:34 PM) ... Jun 27 2007, 06:02 AM
purple my grandfather has a surname, except my mother use... Jun 25 2007, 06:46 AM
Majapahitans QUOTE(peculiar-alien @ Jun 25 2007, 03... Jun 25 2007, 07:49 AM
furansizuka QUOTE(purple @ Jun 25 2007, 07:46 AM) 302... Jun 30 2007, 12:56 AM
Majapahitans QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jun 29 2007, 08:50 PM) 3... Jun 30 2007, 04:12 AM
londoh QUOTE(furansizuka @ Jun 30 2007, 12:56 AM... Jul 2 2007, 02:51 AM
ricochet QUOTE(londoh @ Jul 2 2007, 03:51 PM) 3036... Jul 2 2007, 04:51 AM
Bhaskara purrpie: Yeah, Indonesian Muslims like to use thei... Jun 25 2007, 11:07 PM
tangawizi Wow... so many honorific noble titles....! A... Jun 26 2007, 12:45 PM
Bhaskara Yeah, they are. Jun 27 2007, 12:53 AM
tangawizi Who gives out these titles?
Are there still any ... Jun 27 2007, 05:59 AM
singapak2 ^ Yup it is Arabic.
Even Arab Christians use Bin/... Jun 27 2007, 06:25 AM
Bhaskara Hmm... who gives out these titles? These titles ar... Jun 27 2007, 08:16 PM
tangawizi I have met the youngest brother of Megawati Sukarn... Jun 28 2007, 03:56 AM
Bhaskara Ergh.. he said that? He must be a fake!
1. ... Jun 28 2007, 08:18 PM
tangawizi To be frank, i don't remember his name if it w... Jun 29 2007, 12:26 AM
Bhaskara Hmm... maybe he's a fake, or maybe he's no... Jun 29 2007, 12:56 AM
gadismelayusejati weakness to woman.............hmmmmmmmmmmmm Jun 29 2007, 12:40 PM
Majapahitans QUOTE(gadismelayusejati @ Jun 29 2007, 12... Jun 29 2007, 01:06 PM
Bhaskara If his father really was a Raden, Majjy, why didn... Jun 29 2007, 08:50 PM
tangawizi QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Jun 30 2007, 04:50 AM) 3... Jul 2 2007, 02:01 AM
singapak2 Some Javanese names sound Japanese. Just like the ... Jun 30 2007, 09:03 AM
furansizuka somehow it does sound like japanese name (e.g: Sut... Jul 1 2007, 03:57 AM
Bhaskara Any profiler would agree that Sukarno was a proud ... Jul 2 2007, 01:54 AM
londoh Hi KohRico,
No time to come here ayam bizzy with ... Jul 2 2007, 05:18 AM
ricochet QUOTE(londoh @ Jul 2 2007, 06:18 PM) 3036... Jul 2 2007, 11:17 AM
tangawizi nobody answered purp's question...
is it an a... Aug 7 2007, 01:35 AM
Bhaskara That kind of method is what we call patronymics, r... Aug 7 2007, 02:44 AM
claudia I think Bhaskara was trying to say Waworuntu (Jeff... Aug 9 2007, 02:57 AM
NEWGINAFETS QUOTE(claudia @ Aug 8 2007, 11:57 PM) 311... Aug 9 2007, 11:40 PM
Bhaskara Oops, yeah I was thinking of Jeffry Waworuntu. B... Aug 10 2007, 03:09 AM
claudia No prob! ....See you! Aug 10 2007, 07:47 PM
XxRyoChanxX QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Aug 10 2007, 03:09 AM) 3... Aug 10 2007, 08:15 PM
Bhaskara Ahahaa, you thought of the same thing Ryo? Yeah, I... Aug 11 2007, 02:40 AM
NEWGINAFETS QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Aug 10 2007, 11:40 PM) 3... Aug 11 2007, 10:24 AM
claudia Nop! Lawalatta would be Malukun. Aug 11 2007, 02:47 AM
XxRyoChanxX QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Aug 11 2007, 02:40 AM) 3... Aug 11 2007, 03:03 PM
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