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Wayang is originated from javaneese not malay
mahatir
post Oct 14 2007, 07:19 PM
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I read many comment from Malaysian minister especially Rais Yatim who try to blur the history of Sriwijaya and Majapahit. One time he said something clearly regarding this case:

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Mengenai wayang kulit yang sering digunakan di Malaysia sebagai hiburan kesenian tradisi, Rais berkata ia tidak ada kaitan langsung dengan Indonesia dan wayang kulit sebenarnya berasal daripada Hinduisme.

"Indonesia tidak berhak untuk mengatakan wayang kulit adalah miliknya kerana ia dibawa oleh Sri Wijaya ke negara itu pada abad ketujuh kemudian berkembang pula ke Langkasuka, Langkawi di Kedah, Palembang, Batavia dan juga ke Temasik.


Some item which is totally wrong from rais:
1. He said that wayang originated from hinduisme and brought by Sriwijaya kingdom. I would like to inform you that Sriwijaya is Budhisme kingdom and wayang is not brought by sriwijaya.
2. There are no direct connection between wayang and indonesia. My comment: totally wrong, wayang is originated from indonesia as had been acknowledged by the world as proclaimed by unesco:
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Wayang Puppet Theatre in Indonesia

UNESCO proclaimed the Wayang Puppet Theatre as a Masterpiece of Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity on 7th November 2003. It was proclaimed, with 28 other masterpiece around the world, enhancing the first list of 19 cultural spaces and expressions selected in May 2001. The Proclamation of Masterpiece of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity programme was created in 1997 at the 29th session of the General Conference of UNESCO.

Wayang is an ancient form of story telling originated on the Indonesian island of Java. For ten centuries wayang flourished at the royal courts of Java and Bali as well as in rural areas. Today, wayang is practiced not only on Java and Bali, but also on the islands of Lombok, Madura, Sumatra and Borneo, where various local performance styles and musical accompaniments have developed.

source:
http://www.unesco.or.id/activities/culture/programme/259.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayang
3. wayang are played at Palembang and batavia. Wrong, people at palembang and batavia don't have wayang culture. I don't know about singapore but i never heard wayang at singapore.
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- mahatir   Wayang is originated from javaneese not malay   Oct 14 2007, 07:19 PM
- - dragonaga   tak kisahlah wayang kulit tu sape punye sbb wayang...   Oct 14 2007, 08:50 PM
|- - mahatir   QUOTE(dragonaga @ Oct 14 2007, 08:50 PM) ...   Oct 15 2007, 05:47 PM
|- - dragonaga   QUOTE(mahatir @ Oct 16 2007, 06:47 AM) 32...   Oct 16 2007, 08:46 PM
- - Henry123   You mean the wayang puppet play? Yes I believe it ...   Oct 14 2007, 08:58 PM
|- - Majapahitans   QUOTE(dragonaga @ Oct 14 2007, 08:50 PM) ...   Oct 15 2007, 09:34 AM
||- - dragonaga   QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Oct 15 2007, 10:34 P...   Oct 16 2007, 09:02 PM
|||- - mahatir   Ok guys... lets back to topic, is there any malays...   Oct 17 2007, 01:03 AM
|||- - Henry123   QUOTE(dragonaga @ Oct 16 2007, 10:02 PM) ...   Oct 17 2007, 04:56 PM
||- - HangPC2   QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Oct 15 2007, 10:34 P...   Oct 17 2007, 10:25 AM
||- - gadismelayusejati   QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Oct 15 2007, 10:34 P...   Oct 18 2007, 09:55 PM
|- - mahatir   QUOTE(Henry123 @ Oct 14 2007, 08:58 PM) 3...   Oct 15 2007, 05:45 PM
|- - Henry123   QUOTE(mahatir @ Oct 15 2007, 06:45 PM) 32...   Oct 16 2007, 06:09 PM
- - Crystallised Dream   QUOTE(mahatir @ Oct 16 2007, 06:47 AM) 32...   Oct 15 2007, 06:55 PM
|- - mahatir   QUOTE(Crystallised Dream @ Oct 15 2007, 06...   Oct 15 2007, 07:37 PM
- - Crystallised Dream   QUOTE(mahatir @ Oct 16 2007, 08:37 AM) 32...   Oct 15 2007, 08:12 PM
|- - mahatir   QUOTE(Crystallised Dream @ Oct 15 2007, 08...   Oct 15 2007, 11:45 PM
|- - Betong   QUOTE(mahatir @ Oct 15 2007, 11:45 PM) 32...   Oct 16 2007, 12:35 AM
- - Betong   The point is wayang kulit in Malaysia never from J...   Oct 15 2007, 08:54 PM
|- - mahatir   QUOTE(Betong @ Oct 15 2007, 08:54 PM) 326...   Oct 15 2007, 11:50 PM
|- - Betong   QUOTE(mahatir @ Oct 15 2007, 11:50 PM) 32...   Oct 16 2007, 12:33 AM
|- - mahatir   QUOTE(Betong @ Oct 16 2007, 12:33 AM) 326...   Oct 16 2007, 12:45 AM
|- - Majapahitans   QUOTE(Betong @ Oct 16 2007, 12:33 AM) 326...   Oct 16 2007, 02:27 PM
|- - mahatir   QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Oct 16 2007, 02:27 P...   Oct 16 2007, 05:16 PM
|- - DrGieL3   QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Oct 16 2007, 02:27 P...   Oct 16 2007, 08:44 PM
||- - Betong   QUOTE(DrGieL3 @ Oct 16 2007, 08:44 PM) 32...   Oct 17 2007, 12:48 AM
||- - DrGieL3   QUOTE(Betong @ Oct 17 2007, 12:48 AM) 327...   Oct 17 2007, 08:20 AM
|||- - Betong   QUOTE(DrGieL3 @ Oct 17 2007, 08:20 AM) 32...   Oct 17 2007, 10:11 AM
|||- - DrGieL3   Hahahaha ..... It is hard to accept that the TRUTH...   Oct 17 2007, 12:25 PM
|||- - Betong   QUOTE(DrGieL3 @ Oct 17 2007, 12:25 PM) 32...   Oct 17 2007, 05:49 PM
||- - gadismelayusejati   QUOTE(Betong @ Oct 17 2007, 01:48 PM) 327...   Oct 19 2007, 09:06 PM
||- - Bhaskara   QUOTE(gadismelayusejati @ Oct 20 2007, 09...   Oct 21 2007, 12:53 AM
|- - Betong   QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Oct 16 2007, 02:27 P...   Oct 17 2007, 12:46 AM
- - Crystallised Dream   QUOTE(mahatir @ Oct 16 2007, 12:45 PM) 32...   Oct 16 2007, 12:22 AM
|- - mahatir   QUOTE(Crystallised Dream @ Oct 16 2007, 12...   Oct 16 2007, 12:29 AM
- - Crystallised Dream   QUOTE(mahatir @ Oct 16 2007, 01:29 PM) 32...   Oct 16 2007, 12:37 AM
|- - ricochet   QUOTE(Crystallised Dream @ Oct 16 2007, 01...   Oct 23 2007, 01:52 PM
- - Betong   ^Let it be CD... We all know that Indonesian can b...   Oct 16 2007, 12:39 AM
- - Crystallised Dream   QUOTE(Betong @ Oct 16 2007, 01:39 PM) 326...   Oct 16 2007, 12:46 AM
- - polisrichard   aisehmen.. another boring topic brought in by our ...   Oct 17 2007, 09:43 PM
|- - gadismelayusejati   QUOTE(polisrichard @ Oct 18 2007, 10:43 A...   Oct 19 2007, 09:11 PM
- - Bhaskara   Bah, we never say anything about Thailand and Camb...   Oct 18 2007, 04:22 AM
- - gadismelayusejati   QUOTE(mahatir @ Oct 15 2007, 08:19 AM) 32...   Oct 18 2007, 09:58 PM
- - Bhaskara   I agree, Wikipedia is not a very reliable source, ...   Oct 18 2007, 10:04 PM
- - singapak2   yes, wayang kulit is from Java. yes it is Malay to...   Oct 19 2007, 05:01 AM
|- - Majapahitans   QUOTE(gadismelayusejati @ Oct 18 2007, 09...   Oct 19 2007, 06:17 AM
|- - doeljengki   QUOTE(singapak2 @ Oct 19 2007, 05:01 AM) ...   Oct 19 2007, 06:18 AM
||- - gadismelayusejati   QUOTE(doeljengki @ Oct 19 2007, 07:18 PM)...   Oct 19 2007, 09:05 PM
||- - DrGieL3   QUOTE(gadismelayusejati @ Oct 19 2007, 09...   Oct 19 2007, 09:54 PM
|- - mahatir   QUOTE(singapak2 @ Oct 19 2007, 05:01 AM) ...   Oct 19 2007, 06:29 AM
- - DrGieL3   Research papers by Dr. Farish Noor on "People...   Oct 19 2007, 10:09 AM
- - gadismelayusejati   yeah baby yeah   Oct 19 2007, 08:46 PM
|- - DrGieL3   QUOTE(gadismelayusejati @ Oct 19 2007, 08...   Oct 19 2007, 10:17 PM
- - HangPC2   WAYANG KULIT @ WOYAE KULEIK EXPLORING WOYAE KUL...   Oct 19 2007, 10:59 PM
- - HangPC2   Modern Wayang Kulit A BILLBOARD IN KOTA BHARU...   Oct 19 2007, 11:09 PM
- - HangPC2   Credit http://raykinzoku.fotopages.com   Oct 19 2007, 11:13 PM
- - singapak2   no wayang is not from java. it is from some Wester...   Oct 21 2007, 12:09 AM
- - HangPC2   Marah lak Si Bhas nih....   Oct 21 2007, 03:22 AM
|- - ricochet   QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Oct 21 2007, 04:22 PM) 32...   Oct 21 2007, 03:42 AM
|- - Majapahitans   QUOTE(dragonaga @ Oct 16 2007, 09:02 PM) ...   Oct 21 2007, 12:05 PM
|- - Majapahitans   Oh yeah about Wayang thing. Can we fairly conclude...   Oct 21 2007, 12:39 PM
|- - dragonaga   QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Oct 22 2007, 01:05 A...   Oct 23 2007, 04:44 AM
|- - Henry123   QUOTE(dragonaga @ Oct 23 2007, 05:44 AM) ...   Oct 23 2007, 03:59 PM
- - rasibiduk   Yes Maja, I really think this is the future of Mal...   Oct 21 2007, 12:19 PM
|- - Majapahitans   QUOTE(rasibiduk @ Oct 21 2007, 12:19 PM) ...   Oct 23 2007, 09:15 AM
- - Henry123   QUOTE(dragonaga @ Oct 23 2007, 05:44 AM) ...   Oct 23 2007, 04:07 PM
- - polisrichard   QUOTE(Henry123 @ Oct 24 2007, 05:07 AM) 3...   Oct 23 2007, 09:43 PM
|- - Henry123   QUOTE(polisrichard @ Oct 23 2007, 10:43 P...   Oct 24 2007, 04:40 AM
- - Jaimu-Jaimu   Please refrain from name-calling or I'll beat ...   Oct 24 2007, 08:28 AM
- - kelantanese   wait wait, if u guys say wayang from malaysia, whi...   Oct 24 2007, 11:50 AM
|- - Bhaskara   QUOTE(kelantanese @ Oct 24 2007, 11:50 PM...   Nov 1 2007, 03:07 AM
|- - Betong   QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Nov 1 2007, 03:07 AM) 32...   Nov 1 2007, 03:57 AM
- - Jaimu-Jaimu   Very much a serious chat topic. Moving again. ---...   Oct 27 2007, 04:47 AM
- - Protoculture   Kelantanese Malays Wayangs are distinct & diff...   Oct 27 2007, 08:24 AM
- - Betong   IMO, there always ONLY one person who create all t...   Oct 28 2007, 03:58 AM
- - Protoculture   QUOTEEmm, I see the problem arise when Malaysia st...   Nov 1 2007, 04:01 AM
|- - Betong   QUOTE(Protoculture @ Nov 1 2007, 04:01 AM...   Nov 1 2007, 04:05 AM
- - Bhaskara   As it has been said by my Indonesian compatriots, ...   Nov 1 2007, 04:09 AM
- - HangPC2   PAWAGAM Malay word coined by P.Ramlee for 'mo...   Nov 10 2007, 12:52 PM
- - Bhaskara   ^What's that supposed to mean? Is it supposed ...   Nov 11 2007, 10:05 PM
- - Protoculture   QUOTEBut even without their help, we would still h...   Nov 12 2007, 04:47 AM
- - Protoculture   QUOTEHow old is the the motion picture industry, c...   Nov 12 2007, 04:51 AM
|- - mahatir   QUOTE(Protoculture @ Nov 12 2007, 04:51 A...   Nov 12 2007, 09:33 AM
- - Bhaskara   Be it as it may, our failure doesn't mean that...   Nov 12 2007, 09:43 PM
- - Protoculture   QUOTEThats why your country need to create BUMIPUT...   Nov 15 2007, 12:11 AM
- - Protoculture   QUOTEWhatever you say, it couldn't change the ...   Nov 15 2007, 12:14 AM
- - Bhaskara   May I remind you that your government use what you...   Nov 15 2007, 03:15 AM
- - hailer   Wayang kulit, Barongan etc were originated and bel...   Dec 2 2007, 02:21 AM
- - bokbong   so stupid! this dispute has gone too long and ...   Dec 17 2007, 11:12 PM
- - kumanddie   .   Dec 21 2007, 08:10 AM
|- - Majapahitans   QUOTE(kumanddie @ Dec 21 2007, 08:10 AM) ...   Dec 21 2007, 08:46 AM
- - hailer   I think the people and the government of China, In...   Dec 21 2007, 10:56 AM
- - hailer   MONDAY, DECEMBER 3, 2007 No More Barongan, Endang ...   Dec 21 2007, 11:12 AM
- - movanugraha   .   May 15 2008, 10:33 AM
- - Betong   Solo means single in Malaysian language   May 17 2008, 01:10 AM
- - movanugraha   .   May 17 2008, 02:05 PM
- - sonofgunongjerai   What is so fun on arguing from where did the Wayan...   May 27 2008, 02:49 AM
- - DutchEastIndiesMan   ^Haven't you realised yet......all we want is ...   May 27 2008, 08:17 AM
|- - sonofgunongjerai   QUOTE(DutchEastIndiesMan @ May 27 2008, 09...   Jun 3 2008, 04:40 AM
- - Meruboy   Gunungjerai, if you say that the Javanese introduc...   Jun 11 2008, 01:54 AM
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