Wayang is originated from javaneese not malay Options

[singapak2]

yes, wayang kulit is from Java. yes it is Malay too. Malay race.

[Majapahitans]

are you being sarcastic, boy?

Yes I did, girl.....! duh....!
Please understand my natural tendency to be sarcastic, it's embedded in my harddrive.

Anyway, I found witty sarcasm is the sign of intellectual thinking.
Patronizing someones intellegence by word jousting can be very exciting.


About my statement:
I'm muslim, but yes...., sometimes intolerant-puritant-God monopolizing-self righteous-fanatics-who often labelled themself as "true" muslim can irritate me and tingle my agresive side..... especially those who bomb Bali.

[doeljengki]

yes, wayang kulit is from Java. yes it is Malay too. Malay race.

Again...
your wet dream about Malay Race
There's no such race terminology

Again ...
"The Malay Race" is just a small tribe occupying a small part of the sumatra island and also part of the peninsula
go to Sabah and Serawak; they won't admit themselves as Malay.

Again ...
Go to the eastern region of indonesia
No one there think that they are of Malay race

Again ...
Go to the Toba region
it's even nearer to the peninsula
no one there want to be called Malay
try calling them Malay
and they will kill you on the spot

Again ...
throw away your misconception about the great malay race
there's no such race as you are always proud of
only a political construct of UMNO elites
to preserve their reign

I hope u understand...

[mahatir]

yes, wayang kulit is from Java. yes it is Malay too. Malay race.

This is why i am asking to malaysian what is definition of Nusantara, Budaya Nusantara and Alam Melayu at this thread :
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=137061

Malaysian government try to blur the history of majapahit and sriwijaya, and what happen are their people doesn't know the truth fact of some term they used. At the end of this october i will be at KL for business purposes, may be i will go to the malaysian bookstore to find the official definitions of such term.

[DrGieL3]

Research papers by Dr. Farish Noor on "People's History of Nusantara" .... It is good papers with malaysian view/perpective ....

See this link: http://www.othermalaysia.org/content/category/6/20/38/ ......

It is clear now that malaysia history is a part of history of nusantara ...

[gadismelayusejat...]

yeah baby yeah

[gadismelayusejat...]

Again...
your wet dream about Malay Race
There's no such race terminology

Again ...
"The Malay Race" is just a small tribe occupying a small part of the sumatra island and also part of the peninsula
go to Sabah and Serawak; they won't admit themselves as Malay.

Again ...
Go to the eastern region of indonesia
No one there think that they are of Malay race

Again ...
Go to the Toba region
it's even nearer to the peninsula
no one there want to be called Malay
try calling them Malay
and they will kill you on the spot

Again ...
throw away your misconception about the great malay race
there's no such race as you are always proud of
only a political construct of UMNO elites
to preserve their reign

I hope u understand...

first of i don't understand the purpose of creating this thread....

anyway, boy (the guy who said that malay race is javanese etc.......) , i think doeljengki is right.
there is no clear definition of the malay race.it is still debated.yes again wikipedia stated that all of indonesian ethnicities, philipine ethnicities, brunei malay, singaporean malay and and malaysian malay in ethnicity are of the malay race. remember it's wikipedia! i never agree with this theory ever.

do you think that the indonesians except those malays in riau proudly call them apart of the malay race! hell no! i think they will feel offended.they couldn't care less! if they think that they are of malay race, they will never debate in this tread and accept it! there just proud of their ethnicities and never ever the malay race like you do, boy!


i never ever agree on all this malay race theory. to me only the malays from the ethnicities from anywhere in this world are truly malays.like i do.


i never agree lah that the kerajaan malaysian are using the wikipedia theory and listed all other ethnicities from indonesian but are malaysia's native as malay! all those javanese people in malaysia who still talking javanese at home are written and recognised as malay but they only proud of their javaneseness. one example is Mawi................ same to those arabs, indian muslims, mamaks and etc.

most of the so-called malays in selangor and johor are from the indonesian ethnicities. javanese and bugis.


do you know that malaysian government will recognize anybody regardless of race but is islam and practising the malay culture such as celebrating raya malay style, wearing and eating malay food and talking fluent malay as a malay. yes, you can apply to that. even the chinese, dayak,orang asli or whatever as long they are muaLafs!


crazy, right!


anyway, the wayang kulit in malaysia is in kelantanese and i don't think the indonesian javanese will understand it a bit because it's a malaysian thing!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gadismelayusejat...]

This statement make me wanna cry again...
After that maybe you claim that Bahasa Indonesian was Javanese dialect....

hahahhaahha

[gadismelayusejat...]

aisehmen..
another boring topic brought in by our "good" neighbour.
lets them claim everything in this nusantara..
they're the only country in ASEAN
Indonesian is the first people to be civilised in this world
everything is originated from Indonesia
so, Cambodia, Thailand and not forget MALAYSIA are tru copycats.
duhh

right on, dude!

[DrGieL3]

anyway, the wayang kulit in malaysia is in kelantanese and i don't think the indonesian javanese will understand it a bit because it's a malaysian thing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't forget (in Kelantan) we named it "Wayang Siam"......... Also don't forget that sometimes we named "Wayang Kulit" as "Wayang Jawa" ... hahahahaha.... ...

This post has been edited by DrGieL3: Oct 19 2007, 09:58 PM

[DrGieL3]

yeah baby yeah

History of Malaysia is only a small part of history of Nusantara .... But, I really don't like the attitude of our governmrnt to claim that all heritages from Nusantara are ours because we have nothing as new "nation" ...

I also don't like the attitude of our government that already "manipulated" our history in our text book .......

This post has been edited by DrGieL3: Oct 19 2007, 10:27 PM

[HangPC2]

WAYANG KULIT @ WOYAE KULEIK



EXPLORING WOYAE KULEIK : From a Lifeless Piece of Hide



Making a Shadow Puppet..





















Credit

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[HangPC2]

Modern Wayang Kulit





A BILLBOARD IN KOTA BHARU : Humor and Wayang Kulit :
( Photoshopped reading a newspaper is " Pok Dogo ", a comical character in the Wayang Kulit, the Court Jester )





Credit

http://raykinzoku.fotopages.com

[HangPC2]

Credit

http://raykinzoku.fotopages.com

[singapak2]

no wayang is not from java. it is from some Western countries..

Aku mau nonton wayang, filem lakonan Adam Sandler.. the wayang is fully aircon, comfortable seats and in English, not in Javanese.

[Bhaskara]

hahahhaahha

Shows how ignorant you are. We never claim Bahasa Indonesia as a Javanese dialect. Most of Indonesians are Javanese, but we adopt Riau Malay as our national language to cater all minorities rights

[HangPC2]

Marah lak Si Bhas nih....

[ricochet]

Marah lak Si Bhas nih....

bro...no matter what we say to all the indonesian forumers....its always not good enuf for them. Let it be lar bro

[Majapahitans]

I can't blame you if you not really understand Islam....... In Islam, we can't mix other religious culture in Islamic way of life......

And I admire your "vast and depth" of Islamic knowledge by picking the name dragonaga as your name....

dragon or naga does not exist in "pure" Islamic traditions.
Dragon is known early in pagan Babylonian-Sumerian mythology Tiamat dragon. Dragon also flourished in Chinese tradition.
Naga is Indian origin name for earth giant serpents.

I suggest change it to Sabili (the way), Shaif (sword), Abduljihaad (servant of struggle) or any Islamic themed name, its suited your personality and personal religious view better....

Afghanistan in which Taliban destroyed the Bamiyan Buddhist monument, you should understand that if there are not being use anymore or not being worshipped anymore, then it can be destroyed...... and I know you are aware that in Afghanistan we can say that they are mostly Muslims......... but if it still being used or worshipped by non-muslim who practise their belief, then it can be sustained .........

I heard that Japan did plea Taliban not to destroy Bamiyan Buddha,
they even offered to cut to pieces and move this giant Buddha statue to Japan if Afghanistan didn't want it anymore. Still Taliban destroy Bamiyan Buddha.... its their narrowminded perception of fanatical distorted view of Islam that leads to this cultural tragedy. If Islam really encourage this relic destructions, so Egyptian should destroy pyramids, sphinx, temple of Amon at Thebes, and bomb Cairo Egyptian Museum. Iran too must destroy Persepolis and the gate of all nations since it contains human and animal figures.
Medical studies must not use any scale model of human body and organs since it awfully resemble humans. Monuments to commomerate heroes too should be destroyed...

Then humanity, culture, progress, art, and technology,
will suffer under narrowminded distorted intollerance backward minded interpretation of Islam.

in Lembah Bujang, I can say it can still be sustained as historical site because it's not like the Bamiyan because in bamiyan the monument resembled human body while in Lembah Bujang is just a ruined temple........ in Islam it's a forbidden to create sculpture that resembles human body........

Soo..., if Lembah Bujang site was as big and glorious as Borobudur, Angkor, and Prambanan;
contains loads of graceful and beautiful statue of hindu gods, apsaras, godesses and buddhas, then you may destroy it....?
Luckily Lembah Bujang is not contains human images.
Thanks God modern Indonesia is not a srict distorted theocracy state based on certain religious dogma.
I'm muslim, but I'm Javanese too, I would cry and angry if someone bombed Borobudur.

Goodluck for your puritant intolerance view of Islam....
My personal view of my Islam is "Rahman and Rahiim,
Islam as Rahmatan lil Alamiin, blessing for the universe..... not the intolerance reign of terror.
So I tend to discard any unfriendly, fierce, intolerance interpretation of Islam that claim by some fellow muslim as "true" way of Islam.

and one more thing, it's only our hypocrite government who claimed the so-called infidel customs and cultures as tourism sake but not me and other Malaysian Muslims who really want pure Islamic way of life......

Pure Islamic way of life.... And what would that be...?
Is it just like Taliban's interpretation of Islam...?
Wow.. goodluck for you to following glorious Taliban's way.....

This post has been edited by Majapahitans: Oct 21 2007, 12:51 PM

[rasibiduk]

Yes Maja, I really think this is the future of Malaysia if such narrow mindedness persist. Geographically, a tropical and lush country, but culturally: a vast desert.