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BLACK PEOPLE IN THE PHILIPPINES, BLACK PEOPLE IN THE PHILIPPINES
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post Aug 6 2004, 09:53 PM
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THE GLOBAL AFRICAN COMMUNITY

H I S T O R Y  N O T E S


Agta Woman


BLACK PEOPLE IN THE PHILIPPINES

By RUNOKO RASHIDI

DEDICATED TO BROTHER DAVID FAGAN (ANCESTOR)


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"There are black Negroes in this island who pay tribute to no one."
--Early Spanish historian

Although the great majority of the people of the Philippines are Tagalog, the country is not ethnically homogeneous.  In spite of their small numbers the original inhabitants of the Philippines are the Agta (diminutive Africoids), who still live there in some numbers and are commonly and pejoratively called Pygmies, Negritos and Aeta, and a variety of other names based upon their specific locale.  In regards to phenotype, broadly speaking, the Agta can be described as physically small and unusually short in stature, dark-skinned, spiral-haired and broad-nosed.  They are an extremely ancient people and, I believe, close representatives of the world's earliest modern humans.

Very similar groups of Black people in Asia reside in relative small numbers in the Andaman Islands in the Bay of Bengal in the Indian Ocean north of the Indonesian island of Sumatra, and in northern Malaysia and southern Thailand in Southeast Asia.  In Thailand they are commonly called Sakai.  In Malaysia they have been called Orang Asli (Original Man).  Pejoratively they are known as Semang, with the connotation of savage.  It is very unfortunate that the contributions of these small Black people to monumental high-cultures characterized by urbanization, metallurgy, agricultural  science and scripts remain essentially unexamined.

The presence of diminutive Africoids (whom Chinese historians called "Black Dwarfs") in early southern China during the period of the Three Kingdoms (ca. 250 C.E.) is recorded in the book of the Official of the Liang Dynasty (502-556 C.E.).  In Taiwan there are recollections of a group of people now said to be extinct called "Little Black Man."

"They were described as short, dark-skinned people with short curly hair....These people, presumably Negritos, disappeared about 100 years ago.  Their existence was mentioned in many Chinese documents of the Ching Dynasty concerning Taiwan."

Similar groups of Black people have been identified in Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia and Indonesia, and it seems almost certain that at one time a belt of Black populations of this type covered much of Asia.

In stark contrast to the Agta (the People), the Tagalog seem to have only entered the Philippines during the last several thousand years, and while almost nothing is known of the early history of the Agta in the Philippines it has been well-documented that they engaged in bitter martial conflicts with the Spanish invaders, whose presence in the islands began in the sixteenth century.  Indeed, the country was named by the Spanish navigator Ruy Lopez de Villalobos for Prince Philip of Asturias, who, as Philip II, became the king of Spain in 1542.  It was also the Spaniards who named the native people of the Philippines "Negritos" (Little Blacks).

The Spanish observed that "The Negritos, which our first conquerors found were, according to tradition, the first possessors of the islands of this Archipelago."  Another account observed that "There are black negroes in this island who pay tribute to no one."  Similar documents affirm the widespread presence and distribution of the Agta in the Philippines at the time of the Spanish intrusion.  "If we are to believe later historians, the shores of some of the islands fairly swarmed with Negritos when the Spaniards arrived."  The Bisayan island of Negroes derives its name from having been an Agta population center.  Today, however, the Agta probably comprise less than one per cent of the total population of the Philippines.

The Agta men amassed quite a reputation as warriors, and although the accuracy of the report is somewhat questionable, it is said that the Agta were "such enemies to the Spaniards, that if they happen to kill one, they invite all their kindred, and rejoice for three days, drinking out of the skull, clear'd for that purpose; by which means, they afterwards get wives the easier, as being more courageous."

Dr. Pedro A. Gagelonia, a Filipino scholar, citing the commentaries of the European colonizers of the Philippines regarding the Agta, wrote that:

"They were the aborigines of the Philippines, and for a long time had been master of Luzon.  At a time not very far distant, when the Spaniards conquered the country, the Aetas levied a kind of blackmail from the Tagalog villages situated on the banks of the lake of Bay (Laguna de Bay).  At a fixed period they quitted their forests, entered the village, and forced the inhabitants to give them a certain quantity of rice and maize....After the conquest of the Philippines by the Spaniards, the latter took upon themselves the defense of the Tagalogs, and the Aetas, terrified by their firearms, remained in the forests, and did not reappear among the Indians."

THE ERUPTIONS OF MT. PINATUBO

The violent volcanic eruptions of Mt. Pinutabo in June 1991 were particularly devastating for the Agta.  Alternately ignored and discriminated against, many Agta lived on the slopes of the long-dormant volcano that is regarded as the center of their cosmology.  Forced down the mountain slopes by the eruptions, numbers of Agta, who have historically relied on the herbal medicines now buried under tons of mud and ash, have perished from dreadful epidemics of measles, diarrhea and pneumonia.

SOURCES:
The Filipinos of Yesterdays, by Pedro A. Gagelonia
The African Presence in Early Asia, edited by Runoko Rashidi

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/filipinos.html

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post Aug 6 2004, 10:27 PM
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"There are black Negroes in this island who pay tribute to no one."


good. cool.
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post Aug 6 2004, 10:32 PM
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So are they complaining about us being in the philippines or what... confused.gif
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post Aug 6 2004, 10:34 PM
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Runoko Rashidi is a classic afrocentrist! Just to cla\rify, black does not always mean "african" there are papuans who are black skin but they are not african as they do not live in africa and do not speak the african language/practice african culture etc.

negritos are not african! but indeed they are black people & not all malayan ppl of the philippines are "tagalog"

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So are they complaining about us being in the philippines or what...


jasel, u have no affiliation with the negritos of the philippines! no offense, but sharing the same skin tone does not automatically make u and a negrito "brothas"

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post Aug 6 2004, 10:39 PM
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ohhh ok. I saw ""There are black Negroes in this island who pay tribute to no one."
--Early Spanish historian " near the beginning and thought it was part of the article. Ya i knew negritos were asians i just thought they were talking about both negroes and negritos.
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post Aug 8 2004, 12:41 AM
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They refer them to one of the original settlers of the Philippines
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post Nov 6 2005, 06:57 PM
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this is a response to dalawapo

"Runoko Rashidi is a classic afrocentrist! Just to cla\rify, black does not always mean "african" there are papuans who are black skin but they are not african as they do not live in africa and do not speak the african language/practice african culture etc.

negritos are not african! but indeed they are black people & not all malayan ppl of the philippines are "tagalog"

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So are they complaining about us being in the philippines or what...

jasel, u have no affiliation with the negritos of the philippines! no offense, but sharing the same skin tone does not automatically make u and a negrito "brothas"


[/B] negrito is spanish meaning "little Negro" its what the Spanish explorers called the black people who lived in asia, you don't have to be from africa to be from a negroid/black race, the agta are black people, the earlist inhabitants of the contient of asia were black pygmies from africa.
While in Asia, these black people inhabited Yemen, some areas of Iraq (especially Basra), much of Nepal (especially Rana Tharu), the Andaman Islands (the negritos ), the indigenous Dalit population of India (numbering 160 million) and the larger Dravidian population of India (though not all Dravidians consider themselves black, a sizeable proportion phenotypically reflect their African heritage and acknowledge it). There are more recent Afro-Indian groups, such as the small group of 20-30,000 black Siddis in the Gujarat province of India, the Kaffiri of the island of Sri Lanka, and small communities of Sheedis in the coastal districts of the southern province of Sindh and neighboring Baluchistan. Thousands of Sheedis also inhabit Karachi, Pakistan's largest city. Black people indigenously inhabit the island of Papua ,some went to Australia, Melanesians, and various islands of the Pacific Rim. so by telling jasel he was no affiliation with the negritos is wrong because it doesn't not matter what continent they're on, at the end of the day they're from the same race.
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post Nov 6 2005, 07:56 PM
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pleawsssssssss, jasel has no cultural, lingustic, ethnic relations with philippine negritos, your whole basis of relationship is through ancient dna and genetics and by looking at skin color.

& look, you made me go and post in the filipino chat! sure.gif

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post Nov 6 2005, 08:16 PM
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here's from a book about the nergitos:
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Apart from dark skin and curly hair, Negritos have little in common with any African population, including the African pygmies.


Genetic Distance:
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post Nov 9 2005, 03:50 PM
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so did ne of them intermarry with the tagalog people?
or wat abt other asians? did the negritos assimilate in2 them?
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post Nov 9 2005, 03:55 PM
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You mean there are actually black people in the philippines. What would they think of next iraqi and afghan people. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE (education @ Nov 9 2005, 03:55 PM)
You mean there are actually black people in the philippines. What would they think of next iraqi and afghan people. icon_rolleyes.gif
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No, there are no black people in the Philippines. I think what theyare talking about are aetas/negritos and they have in no way have anything to do with africans.

For bubbles20 some upland tribes of proto-malays may have mixed with some of the aeta. I don't think the tagalogs or visayans did any mixing with the aetas, because they hardly ever met with the aetas. The aetas kind of lived in seclusion.

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I understand that but my inital reaction to this thread is why should it even matter if there is though. I mean this is 2005 isn't it?
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QUOTE (education @ Nov 9 2005, 04:01 PM)
I understand that but my inital reaction to this thread is why should it even matter if there is though. I mean this is 2005 isn't it?
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Depends..........this is nothing but afrocentrist rhetorical though. They had the nerve to put it as if aetas weren't a unique people themselves.
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that's the reason why the term "race" as was "traditionally" used shouldn't be used and really no biological meaning. to call somebody "black" in this form is both connotating to African "blacks", as the word had been stuck to forever. that isn't the case and the truth, that's why the title of this thread should be changed or at least specified.
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post Nov 10 2005, 03:20 PM
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^u have to find BishoujoHunter, to change the title
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post Nov 15 2005, 05:54 PM
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PLEASE STUDY A SUBJECT BEFORE U SPEAK ON IT, ASIANS HAVE AFRICAN ANCESTRY ITS A FACT


igronant people who know nothing about this topic are sitting here stressing this it, its not that serious ppl, first of all u don't have to be african to be BLACK the aborigines from australia and many southasians eithinic groups like the ppl of the Andaman Islands in the Bay of Bengal in the Indian Ocean north of the Indonesian island of Sumatra,( i've been there some of the tribal ppl worship african gods) and in northern Malaysia and southern Thailand In Thailand they are commonly called Sakaiare these ppl living proof that that u don't have to be african to be BLACK any educated person should know this and "Black" people did not only remain on the contient of africa they spread out through out the world. any anthropologist will tell u the first ppl on the contient of asia where black africans.

like there are many different caucasian races theres the Nordics who are the scandinavian and germanic people who manly have blond hair blue/green eyes and have the lights skin of all the white races, theres the western and central europeans whos hair and eyes color mostly range from dark to light then there Alpine and iberians the darkest of the caucasians the have olive and tan skin with dark hair and eyes.

when many people think of the negroid race they think all black ppl are the same and they think of the bantu africans their decendants are the african americans, haitians jamaicans etc. they have wooly or curl hair with the broad nose. but the bantu's physical features does not represent thoese of all the other black races there are many other negroid ppl, theres even who have european features like the aborigines of Australia, many east africans ethinic groups as well as central africans. who have dark skin but often have the "pointy european nose" the straight hair'. therefore being black does not mean u have to be african or have bantu features. ASIANS HAVE AFRICAN ANCESTRY ITS A FACT
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QUOTE (dalawapo @ Aug 6 2004, 10:34 PM)
Runoko Rashidi is a classic afrocentrist!


What makes him a "classic afrocentrist"? Also, please describe an afrocentrist in your own words?
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post Nov 15 2005, 06:42 PM
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Take it for what it's worth...


Negrito man of Zambales.


Showing the relative height of American, mixed blood and pure Negrito.


Old man of Zambales (pure Negrito).


Pure Negrito woman and mixed blood, with babies, Zambales.


Negritos of Zambales
http://www.bohol.ph/books/nz/nz.htm
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QUOTE (asian_chick @ Nov 15 2005, 04:54 PM)
PLEASE STUDY A SUBJECT BEFORE U SPEAK ON IT, ASIANS HAVE AFRICAN ANCESTRY ITS A FACT


igronant people who know nothing about this topic are sitting here stressing this it, its not that serious ppl, first of all u don't have to be african to be BLACK the aborigines from australia and many southasians eithinic groups like the ppl of the Andaman Islands in the Bay of Bengal in the Indian Ocean north of the Indonesian island of Sumatra,( i've been there some of the tribal ppl worship african gods) and in northern Malaysia and southern Thailand In Thailand they are commonly called Sakaiare these ppl living proof that that u don't have to be african to be BLACK any educated person should know this and "Black" people did not only remain on the contient of africa they spread out through out the world. any anthropologist will tell u the first ppl on the contient of asia where black africans.

like there are many different caucasian races theres the Nordics who are the scandinavian and germanic people who manly have blond hair blue/green eyes and have the lights skin of all the white races, theres the western and central europeans whos hair and eyes color mostly range from dark to light then there Alpine and iberians the darkest of the caucasians the have olive and tan skin with dark hair and eyes.

when many people think of the negroid race they think all black ppl are the same and they think of the bantu africans their decendants are the african americans, haitians jamaicans etc. they have wooly or curl hair with the broad nose. but the bantu's physical features does not represent thoese of all the other black races there are many other negroid ppl, theres even who have european features like the aborigines of Australia, many east africans ethinic groups as well as central africans. who  have dark skin but often have the "pointy european nose" the straight hair'. therefore being black does not mean u have to be african or have bantu features. ASIANS HAVE AFRICAN ANCESTRY ITS A FACT
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it depends how far you go back......., if go way way back, all ppl have African Ancestry, bcuz the human race started in Africa
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