Confucious Values in China, Still dominant? Options

[fujisan_8]

Are confucious values/beliefs/customs still prevalient in China? It seems to me that it's ironic that his ideals were of a highly structured society with an emphasis on education and hierachial structures, yet when you look at China:

- everything is kind of unstructured (all over the place, just look at the roads as a prime exaple).

- it's still relatively uneducated, i mean for university graduates.

- it's still hierachial BUT kind of not.

- OK, women arent treated like men in China, but it's worse in Japan and South Korea, confucious values oppress women.

Looking at Japan and South Korea heck, even North Korea I reckon they would be more of a Confucious country than China is or ever was.

[caolucai]

yah..it's sad, Mao did a pretty good job of ridding mainland China of Confucian values during the Cultural Revolution (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_sad.gif)

[fujisan_8]

yah..it's sad, Mao did a pretty good job of ridding mainland China of Confucian values during the Cultural Revolution (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_sad.gif)

Yeah, he tried to "re create" his own history.

Confucian values I reckon these days are better reflected in the Japan and Korea's societies than any Chinese territory - the hard working, humble type values.

Two things I have to note:

- There has been some suggestions that Korea is the most Confucious state in the world.

- Some claims have been made that Confucious was actually Korean and not Han Chinese (he was from Shandong).

[浪淘音]

Confucian values are and will always exist in Chinese society. right now, it just exists in some pseudo capitalist/socialist state

[福州市长]

無聊

[fujisan_8]

Hahhaha wu liao?

What do you consider worthwhile then? sheesh.

[MING-LOYALIST]

yah..it's sad, Mao did a pretty good job of ridding mainland China of Confucian values during the Cultural Revolution (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_sad.gif)

Yeah, he tried to "re create" his own history.

Confucian values I reckon these days are better reflected in the Japan and Korea's societies than any Chinese territory - the hard working, humble type values.

Two things I have to note:

- There has been some suggestions that Korea is the most Confucious state in the world.

- Some claims have been made that Confucious was actually Korean and not Han Chinese (he was from Shandong).

First of all you don't know much about CCP history nor do you understand China in the Mao-era.
Chinese wanted to get rid of alot of Confucian values cause some were just too outdated and is simply opressive.

Also if you think Japan or Korea are ideal Confucian societies then you are just delusional.

This post has been edited by MING-LOYALIST: Aug 6 2004, 10:17 PM

[福州市长]

Hahhaha wu liao?

What do you consider worthwhile then? sheesh.

因為你問的東西太復紮了

[caolucai]

yah..it's sad, Mao did a pretty good job of ridding mainland China of Confucian values during the Cultural Revolution (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_sad.gif)

Yeah, he tried to "re create" his own history.

Confucian values I reckon these days are better reflected in the Japan and Korea's societies than any Chinese territory - the hard working, humble type values.

Two things I have to note:

- There has been some suggestions that Korea is the most Confucious state in the world.

- Some claims have been made that Confucious was actually Korean and not Han Chinese (he was from Shandong).

yeah, but koreans abuse Confcuius's teachings

they're really into that whole respect the elder thing, older kids get away w/ beating up younger kids; even one grade level can make a whole lot of difference (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

example: chinese, taiwanese, korean (oldest) working on homework; taiwanese and korean debating over correct answers, taiwanese says, "fine, i'll put my answer, and you can stick to yours." 30min later...korean turns around to taiwanese, "you can't talk to me like that!! in korea, we respect our elders...."

have any of you read The Memoirs of Lady Hyegyong?? it talks about korean court life and how they totally misinterpreted Confucian values...

This post has been edited by caolucai: Aug 6 2004, 10:21 PM

[fujisan_8]

Hahhaha wu liao?

What do you consider worthwhile then? sheesh.

因為你問的東西太復紮了

ahhaha too complex? maybe for you...

[Nam Quoc Son Ha]

yah..it's sad, Mao did a pretty good job of ridding mainland China of Confucian values during the Cultural Revolution (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_sad.gif)

Yeah, he tried to "re create" his own history.

Confucian values I reckon these days are better reflected in the Japan and Korea's societies than any Chinese territory - the hard working, humble type values.

Two things I have to note:

- There has been some suggestions that Korea is the most Confucious state in the world.

- Some claims have been made that Confucious was actually Korean and not Han Chinese (he was from Shandong).

yeah, but koreans abuse Confcuius's teachings

they're really into that whole respect the elder thing, older kids get away w/ beating up younger kids; even one grade level can make a whole lot of difference (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

example: chinese, taiwanese, korean (oldest) working on homework; taiwanese and korean debating over correct answers, taiwanese says, "fine, i'll put my answer, and you can stick to yours." 30min later...korean turns around to taiwanese, "you can't talk to me like that!! in korea, we respect our elders...."

have any of you read The Memoirs of Lady Hyegyong?? it talks about korean court life and how they totally misinterpreted Confucian values...

Yup the Koreans definitely are abusing Confucian values. If you watch Korean dramas, bosses can often beat their workers senseless and the workers wouldn't even complain one bit.

Those Koreans brought along their tradition to Vietnam and abuses young Vietnamese girls working in their factories.

[LoveMakesYouFat]

example: chinese, taiwanese, korean (oldest) working on homework; taiwanese and korean debating over correct answers, taiwanese says, "fine, i'll put my answer, and you can stick to yours." 30min later...korean turns around to taiwanese, "you can't talk to me like that!! in korea, we respect our elders...."

(IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) You serious? That's fricken overdoing it.

[MING-LOYALIST]

yeah, but koreans abuse Confcuius's teachings

they're really into that whole respect the elder thing, older kids get away w/ beating up younger kids; even one grade level can make a whole lot of difference (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

example: chinese, taiwanese, korean (oldest) working on homework; taiwanese and korean debating over correct answers, taiwanese says, "fine, i'll put my answer, and you can stick to yours." 30min later...korean turns around to taiwanese, "you can't talk to me like that!! in korea, we respect our elders...."

have any of you read The Memoirs of Lady Hyegyong?? it talks about korean court life and how they totally misinterpreted Confucian values...

Exactly!!!
The only time did any society almost attianed the ideal Confucian society was the Great TANG dynasty of China and maybe a short period during Zhou dynasty but all the rest were perverted versions of Confucuis used by Governments to exploit people.

[fujisan_8]

When you think about it, that older is wiser or knows best is a total load of bull$hit.

This is why it leads into problems such as comparisions amongst asians.

[Nam Quoc Son Ha]

OK, what are the basic Confucian principles?

[福州市长]

Hahhaha wu liao?

What do you consider worthwhile then? sheesh.

因為你問的東西太復紮了

ahhaha too complex? maybe for you...

it is too complex because there's no one true answer to it..
when thing pass for thousands of year..they always tend to losing it's exact value

This post has been edited by 福州市长: Aug 6 2004, 10:29 PM

[fujisan_8]

OK, what are the basic Confucian principles?

Have sex and lots of it...hahaha whopps, those are toaist beliefs...

umm i don;t know.

[福州市长]

since u don't know..don't even mention it

[Nam Quoc Son Ha]

OK, what are the basic Confucian principles?

Have sex and lots of it...hahaha whopps, those are toaist beliefs...

umm i don;t know.

Woah really? Taoism is my fav religion now. Muahahaa (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Someone should clarify the basic Confucian values first before we discuss this issue.

[福州市长]

don't listen to him la..
my dad was taoist..he never mention that kinda stuff

This post has been edited by 福州市长: Aug 6 2004, 10:35 PM