Our culture and traditions, Replaces the need for religion Options

[Subotai]

As you know, organised religion has corrupted, divided, and damaged a lot of the world. Our principle of religious tolerance can only go so far - for religions dont share this trait.

We follow the Yasa, a code of ethics without the 'we will go to hell if we dont follow' mentality. We can see the genuinity of principles of other codes as well in religion (bible, koran, etc) - but we should not be pawns of the organisations' will.

Spiritual islam or spiritual christianity is much different to the religion that the majority of these people practise, and we should continue to be tolerant of them - but when it comes to the institutionalised and hateful aspects of them we should make sure we are vigilant against their influence.

Sometimes we are completely alien in our thinking when others around the world have these very interesting yet pathetic mentalities; 'I'm black, you're white' (racial colour thinking), 'You are going to hell' (religious thinking), 'men are superior to women' (chauvanistic thinking), which goes against our principles of racial equality, religious tolerance and respect of women and their own freedom.

No other nation in the world held nations in 3 continents in a contigous land empire with autonomy of foreign cultures within our borders - that is why we're different, when it was said that a woman could walk from one end of the empire to the other with a pot of gold and not be robbed during our prime. In foreign standards we are a 'mixed' race, but we see ourselves as Mongolian - they dont understand our ways.

In the end our culture itself transcends the principles of organised religion tenfold - but be warned - they will use many aspects of yourself to try and convert you, these are:
1) Guilt of past crimes
2) Fear of the unknown
3) Promise of a better life
4) Promise of the afterlife
5) Compassion and charity
6) Greed and materialism
7) Religious elitism
8) Division from your family

So if you must walk into a church or mosque - keep both eyes open and look out for those 8 - plus other ways (they are very sneaky people) that they will use to try and convert you. It is the very sad mentality of the world's major religions. For me, I remain Mongol and if anything - I will continue to follow the lord of the eternal blue sky, Tengri.

This post has been edited by Subotai: Mar 29 2008, 10:29 AM

[Naimani]

Yeah mate...people take religion too seriously. Religion divides two tribes, two families and even two brothers. I've seen this happen to people that I love. Believing in God is something personal, you don't need to show that you believe in Allah, Buddha or Jesus. In my country Qataghan (Northern Afghanistan now) I've seen Naiman killing Orta Balaaq...brother killing brother, for religion, ones shia and the otherz sunni. I don't know how it works, but religious people know how to brain wash.

Lets put it this way, religion can't solve the problems societies have.

[Subotai]

Exactly - and the last thing I want is this senseless division to continue. Sometimes you can be just too nice and people take advantage of you, not just Islamics should be evicted from Mongolia. But those bloody Korean missionaries - they're flooding in Mongolia - just convert their women and them and send the rest back home to build their european churches.

[yhellothar]

Can always do what the Afghans did.

[Naimani]

lol Subo^^

but mate, the problem is that some societies are so into religion that they are not ready to liston to you. thats how religion creates barriers between openions and produces closed-minded and intolerant human beings. the world is getting more and more complicated and everythings moving forward, religion is usless unless you do something about your people's situation and future.

This post has been edited by Naimani: Mar 28 2008, 06:52 PM

[Subotai]

I understand - there are just a few key religious leaders in power and the rest pawns of their will. The pawns are innocent of all this and though deluded we can't hate them; just like that Christian mate of yours who was crying right in front of you and when you asked him why he was crying he said "because you're such a good person I don't want you to go to hell"
Oh such an innocent heart but at the same time such stupidity lol

Islamics and Fundamentalists produce violent pawns however - what are we to do? We kill one he becomes a martyr, we can't reach the top of their leadership either by constantly targeting the pawns. Perhaps we should keep our eyes focused on those who are really to blame - their leaders.

In the meantime - we should make sure Islam or Christianity doesn't infiltrate our motherland. But if we truly wish to have the standard of religious tolerance - our people should be educated about their ways as much as possible.

[Mongol Warrior]

But Tibetan Buddhaism have changed Mongolia from roof to root! Since Manchurian forced us to accept it, our wolf nature and tough character vanished graudually, nowadays, we are abosolutly a crowd of lambs. We are bullied, killed and raped by bloody enemies, our land was distributed by two super power.
What benefits have we won through Tibetan Budhism,? There are five answers.
Nature of Warrior was left behind
General character lost
Vast Empire lost
Breakdown of brotherhood(for example, there is no people at least one, to organise an amy to asist Hazara brothers).
Self-reliance!

I understand - there are just a few key religious leaders in power and the rest pawns of their will. The pawns are innocent of all this and though deluded we can't hate them; just like that Christian mate of yours who was crying right in front of you and when you asked him why he was crying he said "because you're such a good person I don't want you to go to hell"
Oh such an innocent heart but at the same time such stupidity lol

Islamics and Fundamentalists produce violent pawns however - what are we to do? We kill one he becomes a martyr, we can't reach the top of their leadership either by constantly targeting the pawns. Perhaps we should keep our eyes focused on those who are really to blame - their leaders.

In the meantime - we should make sure Islam or Christianity doesn't infiltrate our motherland. But if we truly wish to have the standard of religious tolerance - our people should be educated about their ways as much as possible.

[Subotai]

Pffft, I wouldn't call us a crowd of lambs; Sukhbaatar was no lamb. We were surrounded by two powerful nations yet we fought and won our independence. We weren't occupied long enough for our culture and traditions to be fully assimilated. However I can see how it can be worse if we allow religion to subdue us slowly like a disease.

Religion is a DISEASE - and you can see how it has corrupted much of the world. The point of this thread is that our traditional culture, our values and beliefs - that has to stand. We have to educate our people in its ways and the dangers that it brings to our motherland. We have been strong thus far compared to other nations, but if we become lax - we'll start being just another nation in the map, no longer anything unique.

So in the end - fu-k RELIGION, remember who we are deep down at heart!

[UrbanCulturePara...]

Shamanism ? haha

[Subotai]

Shamanism ? haha

[Mongol Warrior]

Shamanism ? haha

[bigmonkey2382]

So, you fight organized religion, with organized religion? Defeats the purpose.

[Subotai]

Tengriism is far from organised

[bigmonkey2382]

A religion doesn't last without set guidelines rules, ect. And people must have simular beleifs, ect. Thus it's still organized.

This post has been edited by bigmonkey2382: Mar 29 2008, 07:53 AM

[Subotai]

It doesn't preach religions intolerance - I DO
For obvious reasons clarified above on first post

As long as our people remain educated, I'm cool.

[Mongol Warrior]

classic!

So, you fight organized religion, with organized religion? Defeats the purpose.

[Subotai]

A religion doesn't last without set guidelines rules, ect. And people must have simular beleifs, ect. Thus it's still organized.

You are atheist, that's cool, I prefer us to remain Atheist or Tengriist then anything else.

[Mongol Warrior]

So what do you believe? And how do you make you tough when set backs forwarding you?

It doesn't preach religions intolerance - I DO
For obvious reasons clarified above on first post

As long as our people remain educated, I'm cool.

[Subotai]

I believe in a higher being; I just call myself tengriist bc I call him Tengri, and that's about it.

Everything I do in life - I do by myself. I dont pray, I dont blame others for my mistakes or Tengri himself, just my belief
I dont look down on other beliefs until they go 'you are going to hell if you dont believe!'
Which christianity and islam does and which it divides our people

I wouldnt call my belief - organised religion. Our core belief is based on the principles of the Yasa, it is time we go back to it .

This post has been edited by Subotai: Mar 29 2008, 08:11 AM

[Mongol Warrior]

Exactly!
We like sheer freedom both on spiritual and material things! Nowadays, we live in a world full of invisible burdens. Those burdens are too heavy for us to exert our free feeling and thought!