Srivijaya Empire, People, places, politics etc. Options

[kelapa]

Geeeee. Is thaattt alllllll?

Ha ha ha. Old kelapa. Old friend.

Good to see that ya're now out of that great, big, baby sulk. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Hallo dreamy, I get bored today. I need more of your great malay story again to entertain me a bit, if you dont mind, as I am watching photos of Indo-babes in the other thread. *EATING POPCORN*

[dreamhunter]

Oh yeaahhh?

Right. For you to throw another juvenile tantrum n go into another great, big, baby sulk. Ha ha ha ha ha. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[HangPC2]

What would you think if we said that Malay in Malaysia now suck up to Arab regarding present accute "Arabization" of Malay culture there?

Mix & Influence Arab + Turkish + Persian + Indian + Chinese Culture



Malaynization


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This post has been edited by HangPC2: Aug 1 2008, 05:08 AM

[HangPC2]

Batu Bersurat Terengganu (Inscribed Stone of Terengganu)





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Asa pada Dewata Mulia Raya beri hamba menegoh Ugama Islam............


Tuhan atau Subhanahu wa Ta'ala telah diungkapkan dengan Dewata Mulia Raya.



Sources : http://www.etourz.com/batu_bersurat.htm

http://portal.unesco.org/ci/photos/showgallery.php/cat/949

[HangPC2]

The Malay Peninsula: Crossroads of the Maritime Silk Road (100 BC-1300 AD)




By Michel Jacq-Hergoualc'h, Victoria Hobson



http://books.google.com.my/books?id=a5rG6r...NUrf5sLLIUNr7Dg

[dreamhunter]

Anyone got a really, really complete King's list for Srivijaya? With the correct chronology.

I've managed to get together some, but there's a lot missing here n there. E.g. after Balaputra, there's a gap of a century before we get the name of the next Maharaja, i.e. Sri Udayadityavarman.

Balaputra (Nalanda Inscription, 860)
Sri Uda Haridana or Cri Udayadityavarman (Chinese story, 960)
Sri Wuja or Cri Udayadityan (Chinese story, 962)
Hia-Tche (Chinese records, 980)
Chulamanivarmadeva (Chinese redords, 988, 1003; Tanjore Inscription or Leiden Inscription, 1044)

Were Sri Udayadityavarman, Sri Wuja n Hia-Tche/Hsia Chih also Palembang kings?

Did any king from other than Palembang ever become Maharaja of Sri Vijaya? Like Ligor, perhaps? Cos some of their kings, like Sujita/Sriviraujaya/Jayaviravarman, also had Srivijayan ancestry. I'm just investigating.

This post has been edited by dreamhunter: Sep 13 2008, 07:00 PM

[sonofgunongjerai]

Can anyone tell us about the ancestry of King Jayanasa, where actually he came from if there is any information about this King? Just curious because I tried to guess the places which are mentioned in Batu Bersurat and tis King is mysterious. He is from Malayu-Dharmasyraya dynasty isn't it? How does Dharmasyraya began?

Where is Matayap and Minanga Tamvan in the Batu Bersurat? We hope to get clear information from Indonesia so it won't be only story that we merely heard from the textbooks. I would like to read researches by Prof.Poerwacaraka, but unlucky we are, we can't find any yet except for his Kamus bahasa Kawi-bahasa Indonesia. Thank you.

[Majapahitans]

Can anyone tell us about the ancestry of King Jayanasa, where actually he came from if there is any information about this King? Just curious because I tried to guess the places which are mentioned in Batu Bersurat and tis King is mysterious. He is from Malayu-Dharmasyraya dynasty isn't it? How does Dharmasyraya began?

According to the Kedukan Bukit Inscription, dated 605 Saka (683 AD), the empire of Srivijaya was founded by Dapunta Hyang Çri Yacanaca (Dapunta Hyang Sri Jayanasa). He led 20,000 troops (mainly land troopers and a few hundred ships) from Minanga Tamwan (speculated Minangkabau, West Sumatra) to Jambi and Palembang.

According to Prof Dr. Purbacaraka, an archaelogist and historian, Minangatamwan was the meeting point of two rivers, Kampar Kiri and Kampar Kanan, in present day Riau province near the border with West Sumatra Province. The argument based on notions that the inscription of Kedukan Bukit was not erected at the beginning of the expedition (Minangatamwan), but at the end of expedition (River Tatang, near Musi river, Palembang, the area this inscriptions being discovered) to mark and comemmorate the success of Jayanaca's expedition.
The source of Kampar river was Bukit Barisan mountain range to be precise: Minangkabau highlands. This rose the speculations that Jayanasa was came from Minangkabau highlands.

About Dharmasraya, historian identify this kingdom as Malayu Kingdom (also known as Malayu, Dharmasraya Kingdom or the Jambi Kingdom). Mentioned in Chinese source as later being absorbed by Srivijaya. The extensive archaeological remains of this kingdom can be found in Muaro Jambi archaeological sites, suggested as the capital of Malayu Jambi. Dharmasraya itself now is known as the name of a regency (kabupaten) in West Sumatra, upstream of Jambi, the source of Batang Hari River.

All of this pointed the source of Malayu Jambi Dharmasraya kingdom and also Jayanaca origin to upstream Kampar and Batang Hari river, which means Minangkabau highlands.

People of Minangkabau believed that the cradle of Malay civilization was from Minangkabau highlands, especially around Bukit Tinggi, Tanah Datar, and Dharmasraya region. The source of Kampar and Batang Hari river. Even dutch linguist believed that Minangkabau language can be categorized as the ancient form of Malay language.

This post has been edited by Majapahitans: Sep 14 2008, 09:11 AM

[Majapahitans]

Talking about the richness and glory of Srivijaya, the wedding costumes of Palembang, especially the Aesan Gede, perfectly described the grandeur of the empire, gold jewelry everywhere. Originally all the jewelry were made of gold, I think its quite heavy to wear isn't it?

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat15.jpg)

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat14.jpg)

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat8.jpg)

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat9.jpg)

Aesan Gede

Salah satu busana pengantin adat Palembang adalah gaya Aesan Gede. Sebagaimana namanya busana ini merupakan busana kebesaran raja Sriwijaya yang kemudian diterjemahkan sebagai busana pengantin Palembang. Warna merah jambu dipadu dengan keemasan mencerminkan keagungan bangsawan. Gemerlap perhiasan dan mahkota dipadukan baju dodot dan kain songket mempertegas keagungannya.

Keindahan gaya busana aesan gede memang tak terbantahkan. Mencitrakan keanggunan sosok bangsawan. Gemerlap perhiasan warnah merah keemasan tentunya menjadi pusat perhatian. Mahkota Aesan Gede, bungo cempako, kembang goyang, kelapo standan, merefeksikan kejayaan dan keragaman budaya semasa kejayaan Sriwijaya. Baju dodot dipadu kain songket lepus bermotif napan perak menjadi salah satu keunikannya.

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat11.jpg)
Bride in Komering Semendawai style
I think her headgear is awesome....

Photo source: Mahligai “Inspirasi Pernikahan Adat Palembang”, Edisi ke-5 2007


Take a look to this blog karimsh
I think he gave superb informations and details about Palembang culture (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) (in Bahasa Indonesia)

This post has been edited by Majapahitans: Sep 14 2008, 11:46 AM

[Bhaskara]

The fact that the name is "Aesan Gede" showed Javanese influence

[salamat]

Talking about the richness and glory of Srivijaya, the wedding costumes of Palembang, especially the Aesan Gede, perfectly described the grandeur of the empire, gold jewelry everywhere. Originally all the jewelry were made of gold, I think its quite heavy to wear isn't it?

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat15.jpg)

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat14.jpg)

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat8.jpg)

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat9.jpg)
(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat11.jpg)
Bride in Komering Semendawai style
I think her headgear is awesome....

Photo source: Mahligai “Inspirasi Pernikahan Adat Palembang”, Edisi ke-5 2007
Take a look to this blog karimsh
I think he gave superb informations and details about Palembang culture (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) (in Bahasa Indonesia)

nice costumes...is that sampaguita they r wearing around their necks??

[Bhaskara]

nice costumes...is that sampaguita they r wearing around their necks??

Yes, Jasminum sambac. It's one of 3 national flowers of Indonesia, and it's the national flower of the Philippines also, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)

[DrGieL3]

According to the Kedukan Bukit Inscription, dated 605 Saka (683 AD), the empire of Srivijaya was founded by Dapunta Hyang Çri Yacanaca (Dapunta Hyang Sri Jayanasa). He led 20,000 troops (mainly land troopers and a few hundred ships) from Minanga Tamwan (speculated Minangkabau, West Sumatra) to Jambi and Palembang.

According to Prof Dr. Purbacaraka, an archaelogist and historian, Minangatamwan was the meeting point of two rivers, Kampar Kiri and Kampar Kanan, in present day Riau province near the border with West Sumatra Province. The argument based on notions that the inscription of Kedukan Bukit was not erected at the beginning of the expedition (Minangatamwan), but at the end of expedition (River Tatang, near Musi river, Palembang, the area this inscriptions being discovered) to mark and comemmorate the success of Jayanaca's expedition.
The source of Kampar river was Bukit Barisan mountain range to be precise: Minangkabau highlands. This rose the speculations that Jayanasa was came from Minangkabau highlands.

About Dharmasraya, historian identify this kingdom as Malayu Kingdom (also known as Malayu, Dharmasraya Kingdom or the Jambi Kingdom). Mentioned in Chinese source as later being absorbed by Srivijaya. The extensive archaeological remains of this kingdom can be found in Muaro Jambi archaeological sites, suggested as the capital of Malayu Jambi. Dharmasraya itself now is known as the name of a regency (kabupaten) in West Sumatra, upstream of Jambi, the source of Batang Hari River.

All of this pointed the source of Malayu Jambi Dharmasraya kingdom and also Jayanaca origin to upstream Kampar and Batang Hari river, which means Minangkabau highlands.

People of Minangkabau believed that the cradle of Malay civilization was from Minangkabau highlands, especially around Bukit Tinggi, Tanah Datar, and Dharmasraya region. The source of Kampar and Batang Hari river. Even dutch linguist believed that Minangkabau language can be categorized as the ancient form of Malay language.

Thanks for your explanation that the founder of Srwijaya (Dapunta Hyang Çri Yacanaca) came from Minangkabau and not from Malay peninsula (Langkasuka) ....... But, don't be surprised if many Malaysians (especially in the AF forum) will be "Sad" and "disappointed" ....... Hehehehe

Why ? ....... I believe you know the answer .... hahahaha ...

This post has been edited by DrGieL3: Sep 15 2008, 06:08 AM

[salamat]

Yes, Jasminum sambac. It's one of 3 national flowers of Indonesia, and it's the national flower of the Philippines also, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_wink.gif)

yup (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) we make necklaces out of it too...and use it to adorn our cars

[rasibiduk]

Srivijayan dancers ala Tari Gending Sriwijaya wear that long fingernail decoration thingy quite similar to Thai dancers- maybe a Srivijayan thing?
Sorry I have no pics to compare, just based on memory.

[Bhaskara]

Srivijayan dancers ala Tari Gending Sriwijaya wear that long fingernail decoration thingy quite similar to Thai dancers- maybe a Srivijayan thing?
Sorry I have no pics to compare, just based on memory.

Maybe, who knows. Dancers from southern Philippine also wear similar fingernails.

[malaccan]

Talking about the richness and glory of Srivijaya, the wedding costumes of Palembang, especially the Aesan Gede, perfectly described the grandeur of the empire, gold jewelry everywhere. Originally all the jewelry were made of gold, I think its quite heavy to wear isn't it?

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat15.jpg)

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat14.jpg)

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat8.jpg)

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat9.jpg)
(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat11.jpg)
Bride in Komering Semendawai style
I think her headgear is awesome....

Photo source: Mahligai “Inspirasi Pernikahan Adat Palembang”, Edisi ke-5 2007
Take a look to this blog karimsh
I think he gave superb informations and details about Palembang culture (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif) (in Bahasa Indonesia)

These amazing pictures!! The gold and songket go really well together.

[dreamhunter]

Thanks for your explanation that the founder of Srwijaya (Dapunta Hyang Çri Yacanaca) came from Minangkabau and not from Malay peninsula (Langkasuka) ....... But, don't be surprised if many Malaysians (especially in the AF forum) will be "Sad" and "disappointed" ....... Hehehehe

Why ? ....... I believe you know the answer .... hahahaha ...

Meow, meow, meow.

DrGielTroll, Flamethrower, dude, is that you thinkin, speakin, n shootin from your arse again? Try shootin it into your own mouth some time. Mad Cat!!!

If you needed an Indo to tell ya that Jayanasa did NOT come from Semenanjung, that just shows how shallow your grasp of history is.

NOBODY said he did in ANY Malaysian thread. Read it again properly. That's if you still hv the capability to read something properly.

What I said was that his distant ancestors COULD hv come from the Semenanjung. As exiled descendants of King Vijaya, first founder of Singhala kingdom in Sri Lanka (ca 500 BC). Now I didnt just make that up. I got that from a Indian source, not a Malaysian source.

No. We're NEITHER sad NOR dissappointed. Why the bloody heck should we be? Now THAT would make YOU sad n dissapointed. You pathetic old trollgoat.

This post has been edited by dreamhunter: Sep 18 2008, 11:21 PM

[Majapahitans]

The fact that the name is "Aesan Gede" showed Javanese influence

Yes.., the Javanese counterpart of these costumes would be Paes Ageng. We can finds many Javanese words and vocabs in Palembang language (Palembang Malay dialect):
ex: Wong and Gede.

Srivijayan dancers ala Tari Gending Sriwijaya wear that long fingernail decoration thingy quite similar to Thai dancers- maybe a Srivijayan thing?
Sorry I have no pics to compare, just based on memory.

You means this dance..? Gending Sriwijaya

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/GendingSriwijaya.jpg)



Compared to this Thai dance
(IMG:http://www.thaihealth.org/images/Dancerx.jpg)

Yes I suspect golden fingernails is Srivijayan thingy....





And howabout this "kreasi baru" Thai dance...
(IMG:http://www.phuket-cannacia.com/phuket_hotel_resort_hotels_phuket_thailand/phuket_hotel_resort_hotels_phuket_thailand-dance.jpg)
The costumes look awfully Javanese to me



Javanese Dances
(IMG:http://menegpp.go.id/admin/upload/berita/menegpp/gambar/1108696290/srimpi.jpg)

(IMG:http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41695000/jpg/_41695766_afp_2dance203.jpg)

(IMG:http://gurusmp5.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/srimpi_ludira_madu_16.jpg)

These amazing pictures!! The gold and songket go really well together.

Yes, glitering threads of Songket fit perfectly with golden jewelry. I believe ancient emperor and empress of Srivijaya dressed regally in gold and songket like this, displaying the wealth of an empire I suppose.
More for you:

South Sumatran Lahat style wedding costumes
(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat1.jpg)

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat2.jpg)

(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat3.jpg)


(IMG:http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w260/gunkarta_photo/adat10.jpg)
Another picture of bride in Komering Semendawai style

This post has been edited by Majapahitans: Sep 16 2008, 10:07 AM

[malaccan]

^Just for me? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Much appreciated. You've convinced me that the long finger thingy could have originated from Srivijaya. One reason to support this would be its absence in the Khmer dance forms including the apsara. I don't want to get into the at-times difficult shared Thai-Khmer heritage,but it would be reasonable to assume that as the mainland traditions do not include usage of the finger paraphernalia, it could therefore have originated from the maritime lands-Srivijaya as we know cradling both maritime and mainland southeast Asia.

Your posts on ancient Indonesian history are insightful and enlightening as usual, to the point that I sometimes suspect you're a historian from Gadjah Mada university! sunofgunongjerai from the Msian chat also has lots of knowledge to impart, and it's made more interesting given that he is from the north, which is very much influenced by the Thai. I believe that such discourses should be encouraged and that nationalistic notions put aside in exploring common themes that surround our shared past. For example, I know that there are ties between the Srivijaya and Sailendra, but did not fully appreciate just how close Majapahit was with Srivijaya to the extent that Parameswara could've even been a prince of Majapahit. then again maja, I'm just an armchair amateur historian.

Just for completion, here's the link to the Srivijayan thread I started three(!!) years ago in the Msian Chat.
The Kingdom of Srivijaya

(IMG:http://www.pengantin.com.my/v1/images/advertiser/catalogue/zydacollection_268_17.jpg)
Picture is not as nice as yours, but this is a wedding outfit worn during a Malaccan village wedding. Of note is the headress the bride wears.
It bears some resemblance to the south Sumatran one, no?

Srivijaya-the premier southeast Asian classical maritime entreport par excellence.
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