Ancient Mon-Khmer people Options

[Antibiotic]

Being young people conquering the former territory of the Khmer people, the neighbors of Cambodia such as the Vietnamese, the Thais, and the Laotians always have their biased views and their speeches are filled with politics and nationalistic rhetoric because they have no choice.

When Khmer talk about the Mon-Khmer culture, it is not to upset the Vietnamese, the Thais, or the Laotians, or about taking back the territory, but it is about helping these new conquerors to understand better the Mon-Khmer people living in their "land".

Cambodian researchers should not focus on just the Angkor period, but they should conduct studies on the larger Mon-Khmer culture to better understand the Chenla history and Funan history and the evolution of the Khmer language. In this way, we can preserve the collective memory of an ancient people. By knowing where we came from, then we find our identity, our pride, our spirit.

The Angkorian period is only one tree, whereas the Mon-Khmer culture, it's the forest.

Michel Tranet (2005). “History of the Kingdom of Cambodia, Alliance between the Khmer and Thai people from the 13th Century,� in Khmer.

This post has been edited by Antibiotic: Jun 7 2008, 12:16 PM

[DeeJai]

Being young people conquering the former territory of the Khmer people, the neighbors of Cambodia such as the Vietnamese, the Thais, and the Laotians always have their biased views and their speeches are filled with politics and nationalistic rhetoric because they have no choice.

When Khmer talk about the Mon-Khmer culture, it is not to upset the Vietnamese, the Thais, or the Laotians, or about taking back the territory, but it is about helping these new conquerors to understand better the Mon-Khmer people living in their "land".

Cambodian researchers should not focus on just the Angkor period, but they should conduct studies on the larger Mon-Khmer culture to better understand the Chenla history and Funan history and the evolution of the Khmer language. In this way, we can preserve the collective memory of an ancient people. By knowing where we came from, then we find our identity, our pride, our spirit.

The Angkorian period is only one tree, whereas the Mon-Khmer culture, it's the forest.

Michel Tranet (2005). “History of the Kingdom of Cambodia, Alliance between the Khmer and Thai people from the 13th Century,� in Khmer.

Hey Antibiotic aka MADEINCAMBODIA, why you keep on trying to start $hit?

[Antibiotic]

Hey Antibiotic aka MADEINCAMBODIA, why you keep on trying to start $hit?

Hey DeeJai the TROLL if you are going to accuse, learn to accuse properly. You think I say all of that? Take it up with Dr. Michel Tranet. Stop trolling my thread, LIEV with a set of yellow stained teeth.

[DeeJai]

Hey DeeJai the TROLL if you are going to accuse, learn to accuse properly. You think I say all of that? Take it up with Dr. Michel Tranet. Stop trolling my thread, LIEV with a set of yellow stained teeth.

Unlike you, I ain't gotta pretend or fake my identity. You ain't ain't even Cambodian.

[Antibiotic]

Unlike you, I ain't gotta pretend or fake my identity. You ain't ain't even Cambodian.

Excuse me, Ah PLER NISS VEUY StOP TROLLING my thread, AH LIVE POOS KHMAO NiSS Veuy!

[Suzuka00]

the khasi of india too migrated along with mons,viets and khmers from china during the neolithic..........

[PerisaiLangkasuk...]

With all due respect, was there any link, like ancestry, of Mon n Khmer from Pyu n Cham?

[Manleow]

Being young people conquering the former territory of the Khmer people, the neighbors of Cambodia such as the Vietnamese, the Thais, and the Laotians always have their biased views and their speeches are filled with politics and nationalistic rhetoric because they have no choice.

When Khmer talk about the Mon-Khmer culture, it is not to upset the Vietnamese, the Thais, or the Laotians, or about taking back the territory, but it is about helping these new conquerors to understand better the Mon-Khmer people living in their "land".

Cambodian researchers should not focus on just the Angkor period, but they should conduct studies on the larger Mon-Khmer culture to better understand the Chenla history and Funan history and the evolution of the Khmer language. In this way, we can preserve the collective memory of an ancient people. By knowing where we came from, then we find our identity, our pride, our spirit.

The Angkorian period is only one tree, whereas the Mon-Khmer culture, it's the forest.

Michel Tranet (2005). “History of the Kingdom of Cambodia, Alliance between the Khmer and Thai people from the 13th Century,� in Khmer.

Everyone is over looking that Thailand right now is ruled by a Mon Elite class.

THe royal family of Thailand is of Mon Ancestry and lineage,

So everyone should get off this notion of Thais being just of the invading Tai ppl, when as a matter of fact the Mon control the Kingdom of Thailand as we speak and have been controling Thailand since Siam's RamaI's, who was a full blooded Mon King.

But i have read from different sources that the Mon Dont like to be grouped and ascoiated with the Khmer. They rather be identified as a singular group of ppl, as in the Tais, Viets, and so on.

[transtic]

^ I think that goes for all groups of people who are related either ethnically or culturally.

Vietnamese don't like to be associated with Chinese.
Lao don't like to be associated with Thai.
Koreans don't like to be associated with Japanese.
Mon don't like to be associated with Khmer.
....and vice versa for all of them.

I think the reason is that you want people to identify you for you, not as a group with others who were your brothers 1,000 years ago.

Obviously this is a general rule, you'll probably find Koreans who want to be associated with Japanese people, or Vietnamese who want to be associated with Chinese.

[Manleow]

^ I think that goes for all groups of people who are related either ethnically or culturally.

Vietnamese don't like to be associated with Chinese.
Lao don't like to be associated with Thai.
Koreans don't like to be associated with Japanese.
Mon don't like to be associated with Khmer.
....and vice versa for all of them.

I think the reason is that you want people to identify you for you, not as a group with others who were your brothers 1,000 years ago.

Obviously this is a general rule, you'll probably find Koreans who want to be associated with Japanese people, or Vietnamese who want to be associated with Chinese.

to me, the Mon seem more Malay and the Khmer are more of the indiginous ppl of the land.

true they live side by side, but i thought the Mon's first true Kingdom was in Burma until the burmese chased them out and they entered into the Khmer lands.

so are they truely the same ppl, or ppl that share somewhat of the same culture. which is two different things.

The Lao are the same as the Tai in thailand, no Lao person is denying this or trying to get away from that notion.

Lao ppl have an issue of who are the Thais. unless ur saying every Thai is Tai, because every Lao is Tai. Its not a problem of association its a problem of truths. ur assumption that Thai is Tai, but as i pointed out, Since RamaI, who was a Mon King, RamaII who was a Mon, RamaIII who was a Mon, RamaIV who was also a Mon, Thailand should be considered a Mon Kingdom. which i have no problem with, they are who they are.

I mean what would u Classify Thailand as being? a Tai kingdom or a Mon Kingdom? if the rulling class, royal family, the nobles and the lineage of the royal Court of Siam and Thailand are Mon. shouldnt u consider Thais as being Mon and not Tai which is what the Lao are. Thats the issue im pointing out.

You should know the political situation back then didnt allow the Chankri dynasty to openly say they are Mon, when the majority of the population were Tai.

[Manleow]

^ I think that goes for all groups of people who are related either ethnically or culturally.

Vietnamese don't like to be associated with Chinese.
Lao don't like to be associated with Thai.
Koreans don't like to be associated with Japanese.
Mon don't like to be associated with Khmer.
....and vice versa for all of them.

I think the reason is that you want people to identify you for you, not as a group with others who were your brothers 1,000 years ago.

Obviously this is a general rule, you'll probably find Koreans who want to be associated with Japanese people, or Vietnamese who want to be associated with Chinese.

Ooo, one more thing, this is for Goombaqueen.

"I dont think anyone wants to be ascociated with Khmers."

inside joke for anyone who has been in Lao chat.

[Goombaking209]

Yeah you should also say that to your "Lao Terng" people and see how they would feel?

[transtic]

to me, the Mon seem more Malay and the Khmer are more of the indiginous ppl of the land.

true they live side by side, but i thought the Mon's first true Kingdom was in Burma until the burmese chased them out and they entered into the Khmer lands.

so are they truely the same ppl, or ppl that share somewhat of the same culture. which is two different things.

The Lao are the same as the Tai in thailand, no Lao person is denying this or trying to get away from that notion.

Lao ppl have an issue of who are the Thais. unless ur saying every Thai is Tai, because every Lao is Tai. Its not a problem of association its a problem of truths. ur assumption that Thai is Tai, but as i pointed out, Since RamaI, who was a Mon King, RamaII who was a Mon, RamaIII who was a Mon, RamaIV who was also a Mon, Thailand should be considered a Mon Kingdom. which i have no problem with, they are who they are.

I mean what would u Classify Thailand as being? a Tai kingdom or a Mon Kingdom? if the rulling class, royal family, the nobles and the lineage of the royal Court of Siam and Thailand are Mon. shouldnt u consider Thais as being Mon and not Tai which is what the Lao are. Thats the issue im pointing out.

You should know the political situation back then didnt allow the Chankri dynasty to openly say they are Mon, when the majority of the population were Tai.

I'm well aware that not all Thai people are Tai ethnics. I don't think I ever said Thai and Tai are the same people. Thai = Nationality, Tai = Bloodline. As for Chakri dynasty being of Mon ethnicity, that still didn't change the fact that the people who they fought for were mostly Tai. I get where you're coming from, but they never fought for a Mon kingdom, they fought for a Siamese kingdom.

This post has been edited by transtic: Jun 22 2008, 01:40 PM

[Savan]

^ I think that goes for all groups of people who are related either ethnically or culturally.

Vietnamese don't like to be associated with Chinese.
Lao don't like to be associated with Thai.
Koreans don't like to be associated with Japanese.
Mon don't like to be associated with Khmer.
....and vice versa for all of them.

I think the reason is that you want people to identify you for you, not as a group with others who were your brothers 1,000 years ago.

Obviously this is a general rule, you'll probably find Koreans who want to be associated with Japanese people, or Vietnamese who want to be associated with Chinese.

I agree with you because there's also Khmer people who don't like to be associated with Thai, but then there's also Khmer members like Goombaqueen who has his head up Thai people's azzes and wants to be Thai because he seems to think that all things in SEA were invented by the Thais. I think he's forgotten about his own wonderful culture. Khmer members in here should teach more Khmer history and culture to Goombaqueen to hopefully give him back some of his Khmer pride. Anyway, there's also Thai people who don't like being associated with neither Khmer nor Lao people. There's bad people in all ethnics, not just Lao, Thai or Khmer.

[Manleow]

I'm well aware that not all Thai people are Tai ethnics. I don't think I ever said Thai and Tai are the same people. Thai = Nationality, Tai = Bloodline. As for Chakri dynasty being of Mon ethnicity, that still didn't change the fact that the people who they fought for were Tai. I get where you're coming from, but they never fought for a Mon kingdom, they fought for a Siamese kingdom.

I think they fought for their own Kingdom, Siam use to be Mon Kingdom before the Tai's took power and created Ayutthya. But Ayutthya fell, and the Tai ruling family destroyed and hunted down by the New Mon Kings.

They fought against the other Tai Kingdoms, destroying and manipulating documentation to rewrite hisotry. They were afraid of the reunification of the Tai kingdoms to the North, thats why they fought so hard to keep them seperate.

They had no choice but to hide their Mon roots from the general public because the majority of the ppl they had conquered were Tai.

Siam itself was that region i feel in central Thailand, it may of never been a term to discibe any particular group of ppl. the powers changed hands ever so often, from Khmer to Mon to Tai to Mon. or which other order. but it is ruled by a Mon Elite class now.

[Goombaking209]

I agree with you because there's also Khmer people who don't like to be associated with Thai, but then there's also Khmer members like Goombaqueen who has his head up Thai people's azzes and wants to be Thai because he seems to think that all things in SEA were invented by the Thais. I think he's forgotten about his own wonderful culture. Khmer members in here should teach more Khmer history and culture to Goombaqueen to hopefully give him back some of his Khmer pride. Anyway, there's also Thai people who don't like being associated with neither Khmer nor Lao people. There's bad people in all ethnics, not just Lao, Thai or Khmer.

I have enough Khmer pride as it is, I don't need to claim anyone else's culture like some people on the basis of being the same ethnicity. Gee I wonder who does that? What a shame ain't it? I think he or she should know by now that same ethnicity does not correlate to having identical things - by in his or her case, shared things is more a better terminology.

[chakra1]

I think they fought for their own Kingdom, Siam use to be Mon Kingdom before the Tai's took power and created Ayutthya. But Ayutthya fell, and the Tai ruling family destroyed and hunted down by the New Mon Kings.

They fought against the other Tai Kingdoms, destroying and manipulating documentation to rewrite hisotry. They were afraid of the reunification of the Tai kingdoms to the North, thats why they fought so hard to keep them seperate.

They had no choice but to hide their Mon roots from the general public because the majority of the ppl they had conquered were Tai.

Siam itself was that region i feel in central Thailand, it may of never been a term to discibe any particular group of ppl. the powers changed hands ever so often, from Khmer to Mon to Tai to Mon. or which other order. but it is ruled by a Mon Elite class now.

RAMA I IS KHMER

[Suzuka00]

Abstract
BackgroundAustronesian is a linguistic family spread in most areas of the Southeast Asia, the Pacific Ocean, and the Indian Ocean. Based on their linguistic similarity, this linguistic family included Malayo-Polynesians and Taiwan aborigines. The linguistic similarity also led to the controversial hypothesis that Taiwan is the homeland of all the Malayo-Polynesians, a hypothesis that has been debated by ethnologists, linguists, archaeologists, and geneticists. It is well accepted that the Eastern Austronesians (Micronesians and Polynesians) derived from the Western Austronesians (Island Southeast Asians and Taiwanese), and that the Daic populations on the mainland are supposed to be the headstream of all the Austronesian populations.

ResultsIn this report, we studied 20 SNPs and 7 STRs in the non-recombining region of the 1,509 Y chromosomes from 30 China Daic populations, 23 Indonesian and Vietnam Malayo-Polynesian populations, and 11 Taiwan aboriginal populations. These three groups show many resemblances in paternal lineages. Admixture analyses demonstrated that the Daic populations are hardly influenced by Han Chinese genetically, and that they make up the largest proportion of Indonesians. Most of the population samples contain a high frequency of haplogroup O1a-M119, which is nearly absent in other ethnic families. The STR network of haplogroup O1a* illustrated that Indonesian lineages did not derive from Taiwan aborigines as linguistic studies suggest, but from Daic populations.

ConclusionWe show that, in contrast to the Taiwan homeland hypothesis, the Island Southeast Asians do not have a Taiwan origin based on their paternal lineages. Furthermore, we show that both Taiwan aborigines and Indonesians likely derived from the Daic populations based on their paternal lineages. These two populations seem to have evolved independently of each other. Our results indicate that a super-phylum, which includes Taiwan aborigines, Daic, and Malayo-Polynesians, is genetically educible

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...i?artid=2408594


Malay-Tai people like tai and cham left china then conquered southeast asia after mon-khmer viets won against them but the opposite happened to the mon who forced themselves to merge/assimilate with tai

This post has been edited by Suzuka00: Jun 24 2008, 05:08 AM

[DeeJai]

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...i?artid=2408594


Malay-Tai people like tai and cham left china then conquered southeast asia after mon-khmer viets won against them but the opposite happened to the mon who forced themselves to merge/assimilate with tai

So Malay and Tai people have a common ancestor?

[Suzuka00]

So Malay and Tai people have a common ancestor?

yes....