Indonesian Royalty, Traditional rulers of the archipelago. Options

[londoh]

I don't want to be malicious or meant harm to anyone....
But it seems that both men married into royalty.....after they studied royalty.
I meant no harm but it was just something that came out of my mind after reading the blog.

....and what else came to your mind ??

Royality in Indonesia are almost always just ordinairy people, they have to work for their money Donald's wife is a teacher.
Last year when I was on a ferry from Saparua to Ambon someone told me a "king" was on board. I saw an older man in jeans eating a pisang. he was on his way to Ambon city for some bisnis. No servants no-one to hold a payung above his head...

If a man studies the products of Matahari Dept. Store everyday, he will end up marrying one of the girls there, probably a SPG

This post has been edited by londoh: Jan 5 2009, 06:40 PM

[Bhaskara]

@AwangPembela: Depends on the ethnic group.

@londoh: Easy there, meneer. The boy meant no harm. He was just expressing how he felt after reading the blog

[londoh]

@AwangPembela: Depends on the ethnic group.

@londoh: Easy there, meneer. The boy meant no harm. He was just expressing how he felt after reading the blog

Where is the harm Mas ? Just an ordinairy question. It might be that you are not used to the way westerners communicate, that is why I rarely post on this forum.

[DutchEastIndiesM...]

^More like how a westerner like you communicate with other people on the net.
Maybe Bhaskara have not had first hand experience communicating with a westerner, maybe not.....but i have and westerner does not communicate like that. Do not try to convey the message that westerner communicate like that, maybe it's just you on the net.
I'm sure in real life you don't communicate like that with other Indonesians or else you won't be friends with those people around you, or at least you don't show your real feelings towards them.

....and what else came to your mind ??

Royality in Indonesia are almost always just ordinairy people, they have to work for their money Donald's wife is a teacher.
Last year when I was on a ferry from Saparua to Ambon someone told me a "king" was on board. I saw an older man in jeans eating a pisang. he was on his way to Ambon city for some bisnis. No servants no-one to hold a payung above his head...

If a man studies the products of Matahari Dept. Store everyday, he will end up marrying one of the girls there, probably a SPG

What else came to my mind ???? hummm ??????????

You're one hell of a nagger ?? is that valid ?

Well like Bhaskara had pointed out and i had pointed out before I meant no harm I was just saying what came through my mind after reading the blog, I'm sorry if you're married into a royalty....but as far as i know you're not or you're just defending your good friend Donald Tick. Who knows you might be Donald Tick.


Disclaimer I meant you no harm my fellow AF member

This post has been edited by DutchEastIndiesMan: Jan 6 2009, 10:50 AM

[jrockerz]

Indonesian royalties are based on the region and culture.
even every village has its own king.

the degree of their role also depends which royalties it is.

I find that jogja royalties still has quite big role.

in Mollucas are village based,
dont expect some big stuff

my cousin are one of them (next generation)
he making good commercial IT business there, not related to government.
and government-owned rival business try to compete with him hahahah ...
his dream is to own the entire mollucan IT related bussiness with his own hand lolz ...

[Bhaskara]

I do have some experiences communicating with westerners whenever I went for vacation. Well, let's just say it's quite easy to have misunderstanding when we're communicating in cyber world, no matter who you are (easterner/westerner). Friends?

[londoh]

I do have some experiences communicating with westerners whenever I went for vacation. Well, let's just say it's quite easy to have misunderstanding when we're communicating in cyber world, no matter who you are (easterner/westerner). Friends?

To me it doesn't matter at all and I won't blame anyone, after 18 years staying in Indonesia I am pretty used to it.
Aku punya 2 telinga, yang kanan utk kata bisa masuk yang kiri utk keluar

[DutchEastIndiesM...]

^Fair enough.......



@Bhas
Sorry for assumption that you are a home boy. jks.

[micmac]

the sultan of Sulu wants to the Filipino president to negotiate the Rents
paid annually by the Malay government for the Sabah territory .

what has been the historical relationship between the philippine sultanates like sultanate of sulu and the ones of mindanao with indonesian sultanates/kingdoms? are they historical rivals or friendly relationship?

i remember hearing something about the sultanate of sulu being given the lands of palawan and borneo by the sultanate of brunei.

also what is the relationship between sultanate and brunei as well... how come they are independent or whatever...

thanks

[Kresna]

In Jakarta you have lots of royalty as well. I was walking in the taman lawang area one night and I met a lot of queens.

[AwangPembela]

@AwangPembela: Depends on the ethnic group.

Alright, lets just say I were an ordinary adventurer from Jambi or Palembang. A sort of Sumatran Indiana Jones travelling through time in my time machine. I go to Kediri for some walkabout n sightseeing. N I go visit my favourite hermit Dewi Kili Suci in Gua Salomanleng. Pay her my respects. Maybe discuss some esoteric philosophy n stuff with her.

She is/was also a princess, right? So my instinct, as well as my good breeding he he, would tell me to address her as Gusti Puteri Sri Dewi Kili Suci.

Now then, would that be proper? No?

N how would the local Kedirians address her?

This post has been edited by AwangPembela: Jan 9 2009, 03:46 PM

[Majapahitans]

In Jakarta you have lots of royalty as well. I was walking in the taman lawang area one night and I met a lot of queens.

LOLZ.....

[PerisaiLangkasuk...]

Oh. That sort of queen.

That would be a Queen of All She/He Surveys.

This post has been edited by PerisaiLangkasuka: Jan 10 2009, 09:37 AM

[aoibhealfae]

I was looking for more things to read about Solo's Javanese noble and royalties and found that this forum is far more informative that I could have expected. I'm always have been interested in history but however I find out that whats been written in textbook is very much a bore so I usually well read about ancient western civilization and pretty much ignorant about malay history, hence I could barely scrap a B in SPM. Which is rather understandable since I don't really relate myself to it.

Its quite sad to say that I am just genetically half-javanese and an idiot in anything about Javanese which I suspiciously thought that my dad had something to do with all the secrecy until a few years ago, my grandfather had passed away, and then suddenly my dad and his side of the family start recounting about my lineage, the history, mysticism, superstitions and the tragics and the interesting part that my great-grand mother had eloped to marry someone beneath her. As in she's really a Solo's blue blood and married a commoner at the turn of last century. It seems so weird that at that time marrying a commoner could get one disowned even if the commoner is technically rich. Anyone recommending me a book or reliable sources about the nobility since there's so many things I'm just curious about but my dad kept a tight lid on it?

Surprisingly it seems that in my side of the family, the women born from my family are cursed by my great great grand parents (very bizarre and surreal). Well, to put aside logics, calling my family cursed thats very much over the top and totally intriguing. Well, who doesn't if its about you?

BTW is there any sites that had more stories or details about mysticism in Javanese culture? The use of bomoh and creatures like gondoroyo and such among the people. Curious. Very curious.

[Majapahitans]

^Hi aoi... you are Malaysian aren't you.
I've learn that some Malaysian have Javanese ancestry and they parents, grandparents, or older generations have migrated to peninsula some decades ago or long before the formation of Republic Indonesia and Malaysia. I've met a Malaysian in KL early this year that claim his grandmother is Javanese. He try to speak Javanese to me but it seems rought-rusty and he seems have a lot to learn... Then again it is good to reconcile or tracing your ancestry to understand your true identity. It is common for Javanese nobles in that times to disowned their son/daughter if they did not married into their own social class or matched their family status. Even if you married other nobles, once you become the widow, you must get out of the palace.

About Javanese mysticism.., is quite spooky, you know about the curse, santet (black magic), and so on..., and there's tons of spirits and demons in Javanese traditions.

This post has been edited by Majapahitans: Oct 21 2009, 04:45 AM