Indonesian Royalty, Traditional rulers of the archipelago. Options

[Nusantara]

All of them Muslim kingdom except West Timor and some part of Nusa Tenggra.

[Nusantara]

And Bali is still Hiduism

[dalawapo]

so what are those non-muslim sultantes?

and what about the ones on bali?

elephant garuden statue? isnt that against islam.

[Nusantara]

Muslim in Indonesia is not like wahabi way like in middle east, for Indonesian become a muslim more to preserve their own culture. Hinduism, Budhism, Javanese religion, Animism, Islam itself blend together.

[rasibiduk]

wow Purnomo, great topic! If you have it somewhere I would like to see Acehnese and Madurese royalties/palaces..

[Nusantara]

Mangkunegara Dynasty of Surakarta


Surakarta Palace Royal Guards. During Dutch colonial era, Mangkunegaran and Kartasuran soldiers was formed into an army battallion called Vorstenlanden Bataljon which fought for the Dutch in Aceh War and against the Japanese in early part of World War II


Royal coat-of-arm of the Kartasura Dynasty of Surakarta

That's explain why Achehnese of Sumatra difficult to trust Javanase. They were not only fought off against Dutch but also Javanese kingdom army who at that time support Dutch. Politic Devide et Empire of Dutch colony. Yet Achehnese are tough people they are never really conquered by Dutch although their population just a hand full.

[mamapeace]

Wow, thanks for these infos man. Great value

[purnomor]

That's explain why Achehnese of Sumatra difficult to trust Javanase. They were not only fought off against Dutch but also Javanese kingdom army who at that time support Dutch. Politic Devide et Empire of Dutch colony. Yet Achehnese are tough people they are never really conquered by Dutch although their population just a hand full.

^ I think when the Dutch is in power, most people tends to support the colonial system so they could gain good position in the colonial society. Not only Javanese, many Acehnese also supported the Dutch, for example the raja of Idi, raja of Trumon, raja of Lhokseumawe, and former guerillas like Pang Laot who decided that cooperating with the Dutch would be better off for them personally.. even the famous Teuku Umar was at one time cooperating with the Dutch. At that time, everbody thought Dutch rule will be a permanent fact in Indonesia for the rest of their life.
Only few people, like Sukarno-Hatta, believes it is possible to achieve independent Indonesia and are willing to give their all for it (Sukarno was in jail for 13 years before Japanese invasion). And then both the susuhunan of Surakarta and sultan of Yogyakarta are very important participants in the war of independence that allowed Indonesia to gain independence. :genius:

[Andromeda]

Just curious, Purnomor... are you majoring in history? Because you have an amazing knowledge in Indonesia history..

[purnomor]

Pakualaman Dynasty of Yogyakarta


Kanjeng Gusti Pangeran Adipati Arya Raja Paku Alam IX (crowned 1998), Pakualam sultan of Yogyakarta. Pakualam is the sultan's reigning name, meaning "nail of the world".




Puro Pakualaman, royal palace of Pakualam sultans in Yogyakarta - Special Terriorty of Yogyakarta. The Pakualam dynasty was established in 1812 by Sir Thomas Stamford Raffles during the short British rule of Java (1811-1816) as a useful check against any possible rebellion by the sultan of Yogyakarta.

Click here for maps and detailed description of Puro Pakualaman royal palace


Royal symbol of Pakualaman dynasty of Yogyakarta

Kartasura Dynasty of Yogyakarta


Kanjeng Sri Sultan Hamengkubuwono X Senapati ing Alaga (crowned 1988), sultan of Yogyakarta and Governor of Special Territory of Yogyakarta. He is an important figure in the current reformation era. Hamengkubuwono is sultan's reigning name, meaning "he who holds the universe in his lap".



Karaton Yogyakarta, royal palace of sultan of Yogyakarta - Special Territory of Yogyakarta. The palace was opened on 7 October 1756 and is 17,000 sq m large.

Click here for maps and detailed information on Karaton Yogyakarta


Sri Sultan Hamengkubuwono X, caliph of Javanese Muslims, annoited by God, and the holy groom to the Goddess of the South Sea (Nyi Roro Kidul)


Royal symbol of sultan of Yogyakarta

[purnomor]

Just curious, Purnomor... are you majoring in history? Because you have an amazing knowledge in Indonesia history..

hehe.. thanks mate. I'm not studying history, i'm studying economics..

[Iron Malayan]

Sri Sultan Hamengkubuwono X, caliph of Javanese Muslims, annoited by God, and the holy groom to the Goddess of the South Sea (Nyi Roro Kidul)

He's joking right ? What kind of sultan would claim to be the groom of a goddess ?

[rasibiduk]

in Java, the Queen of the South Seas, Nyai Loro Kidul, is no laughing matter- for example, it is a common practice NOT to wear anything green on Java's southern coast so as not to offend her - green being her favorite color. The first big resort in the town of Pelabuhan Ratu (Queen's Harbor) reserved a room just for her.. I've heard stories about her, even personal one- sometimes myth still live in the 21st century Java, welcome to Indonesia.

[dalawapo]

Sri Sultan Hamengkubuwono X, caliph of Javanese Muslims, annoited by God, and the holy groom to the Goddess of the South Sea (Nyi Roro Kidul)

He's joking right ? What kind of sultan would claim to be the groom of a goddess ?

a matrilineal people will not mind to think of women superiority to the man.. i mean doesnt the cham trace their origin to a female goddess name 'po naga' or something?

[malaccan]

in Java, the Queen of the South Seas, Nyai Loro Kidul, is no laughing matter- for example, it is a common practice NOT to wear anything green on Java's southern coast so as not to offend her - green being her favorite color. The first big resort in the town of Pelabuhan Ratu (Queen's Harbor) reserved a room just for her.. I've heard stories about her, even personal one- sometimes myth still live in the 21st century Java, welcome to Indonesia.

Ni Roro Kidul is seen as a malevolent spirit, is she not? A schoolmate from Surabaya used to tell stories about her. Is there a good movie that anyone can recommend on her? BTW, Hamengkubuwono looks quite regal in that picture.

[rasibiduk]

An interesting article and pictures on the coronation of Pakubuwono XIII from the House of Surakarta in Central Java as written by longtime Bali resident- Australian Indonesian Made Wijaya:
Natural Progression

[akusuma]

[quote=purnomor,Aug 29 2004, 08:56 AM]
Badung Kingdom - Pemecutan line


Cokorde Ngurah Gede Manik Parisara (crowned 1986), raja of Badung from Pemecutan line - Bali

Not accurate. His formal name is Ida Cokorde Pemecutan XI.
His name before becoming Cokorde was Anak Agung Ngurah Manik Parasara.


King of Badung on trial for murdering his cousin with his royal sword. King Gede Manik argued the murder was a case of self-defense.

Finally, it was proven in court that it was self-defense. One year verdict was because the incident caused one person died, and the cause of this had never been proven. The legal process is now continued to the higher court. Cokorde was not detained, he has been staying in a Puri which is a branch of Pemecutan since December 2003.

AK

[akusuma]

An interesting article and pictures on the coronation of Pakubuwono XIII from the House of Surakarta in Central Java as written by longtime Bali resident- Australian Indonesian Made Wijaya:
Natural Progression

I usually enjoy reading Made Wijaya (Michael White)'s articles, even though I'm often suspiciuous with the contents.
Just taking the pictures and say great things do not mean he is really part of the stories that he wrote. Know very well when he wrote stories about his life in Bali

AK

[purnomor]

[quote=akusuma,Oct 30 2004, 06:50 AM]
[quote=purnomor,Aug 29 2004, 08:56 AM]
Badung Kingdom - Pemecutan line


Cokorde Ngurah Gede Manik Parisara (crowned 1986), raja of Badung from Pemecutan line - Bali

Not accurate. His formal name is Ida Cokorde Pemecutan XI.
His name before becoming Cokorde was Anak Agung Ngurah Manik Parasara.


King of Badung on trial for murdering his cousin with his royal sword. King Gede Manik argued the murder was a case of self-defense.

Finally, it was proven in court that it was self-defense. One year verdict was because the incident caused one person died, and the cause of this had never been proven. The legal process is now continued to the higher court. Cokorde was not detained, he has been staying in a Puri which is a branch of Pemecutan since December 2003.

AK

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Right! thanks for the correction

BTW, what's the naming process for Balinese men and women? Like from the 1st son to the 5th son all Balinese have uniform names, right?

This post has been edited by purnomor: Oct 30 2004, 02:44 PM

[nama_user]

Yes, but I don't remember them....