Indonesian Royalty, Traditional rulers of the archipelago. Options

[purnomor]

^ Alexander Hare is the Englishman who established settlement of Malays on Cocos Island (now an Australian territory), while Iskandar Zulkarnain is the Arabic name for Macedonian conqueror Alexander the Great.

[claudia]

those bali kingdom as or whatever are not muslim right?

what are the other tkingdoms througout indonesia that are not muslim? & what are they?

There is never a Christian Kingdom In Indonesia.
Fisrt Kingdom in Indonesia was Hinduism, than Budhism & Muslim. Christians brought by Dutch & some Germans but most of the Christian are in North Sulawesi (city Manado) called Minahasan. Before the minahasan knew Christian they're another tribals who believe in God. Interesting (God for them was the one who created this world & it happened for the first time after the very big Flood thousands years BC.

If anyone whose Christian remember a few people (6) whose survived in NOAKH ARK according to a bible, well there're 2 only human in Minahasa whose survived called (TOAR & LUMIMUUT) Toar is a hansom male & Lumimuut is a beautifull female. They are the original minahasan which our great-great-great-great ++++ grandparents thousands years ago before Christ/Masehi. After that big Flood they've realise that there is GOD whom called OPO EMPUNG by Minahasan dialeg or TUHAN YANG MAHA AGUNG/ESA in Bahasa Indonesia. That's why the minahasan tribal was a very strong army & people. They will except something from foreign/outside minahasan if it is a good thing for them. They only got a few suburbs that time with they're own chief of the suburb.

This post has been edited by claudia: Aug 18 2006, 02:14 AM

[claudia]

Ternate Sultanate


Sultan Haji Mudzhaffar Shah II (crowned 1975), Sultan of Ternate - North Maluku. Unusally, his first wife is a Christian, Elizabeth Petronella "Nelly" Manoppo. The sultan is known for protecting his Christian subjects during communal disturbances in 1999-2000.


WOW!
He married Elizabeth Petronella "Nelly" Manoppo, she is a Minahasan woman.

[londoh]

Ternate Sultanate
Sultan Haji Mudzhaffar Shah II (crowned 1975), Sultan of Ternate - North Maluku. Unusally, his first wife is a Christian, Elizabeth Petronella "Nelly" Manoppo. The sultan is known for protecting his Christian subjects during communal disturbances in 1999-2000.
WOW!
He married Elizabeth Petronella "Nelly" Manoppo, she is a Minahasan woman.

Here they are together. I took this picture in the palace at Ternate last March. I also met an elder siter of the sultan, who spoke excellent Dutch and knew a lot about the local history.

[Cocos]

I am trying to locate the grave of Alexander Hare. He died in Batavia so I heard. He was a traveller. Could be Scotish but he was also known by his Muslim name Iskandar. His time was about 1800-1900. Thank you.

Thank you for your speedy reply. He used to have his own currency in a place called Maluka, near Banjarmasin. You know of any articles or books that I could purchase or collect.

[purnomor]

^ There was Alexander Hare who was the British resident of Banjarmasin during the British interregnum period (1811-1816). Later, after return of the Dutch, he unsuccessfully tried to establish his own kingdom in Banjarmasin.

There was also some other British adventurers who tried to established their own personal "kingdoms" in Bulungan (East Kalimantan) and Siak (Riau), but were all unsuccessful due to local and Dutch resistance. The only successful attempt was made by the British adventurer James Brooke, the "white rajah" who successfully established his own kingdom in Sarawak by stealing it from Brunei sultan. This white-run Sarawak kingdom lasted for 105 years, before being absorbed as British crown colony in 1946.

[purnomor]

UPDATE:


The sultan of Deli, Lieutenant-Colonel Sultan Ottoman III Mahmud Ma'amun Padrap Perkasa Alam Syah was killed on a military aircraft accident in Aceh in 2005.

The current sultan of Deli is his 9-year-old son, Sri Sultan Mahmud Arfa Lamanjiji Perkasa 'Alam Shah. During his minority, the sultan reigned under the guardianship of his uncle Tengku Haji Hamdi.

[Bhaskara]

I think I remember this news about the Deli King.

I don't recall any place named "Maluka" near Banjarmasin. And I'm from Banjarmasin.

[pisanggorengkriu...]

I dont want to have "kesultanan" heritage, cos they were obsessed by metaphysics power thus they made pact with djinn. Those djinns have been following their son, daughter, so on until they died. Only few people dont possess Djinn in them.

[Bhaskara]

What a scary thought u have there
Well, it's what the people choice. If the royalty really want to, they can get rid of the supernatural crap.
Btw, nice nick. Makes me hungry! Welcome t the forum, mate!

[sreima]

Thank you, it is good to see a wealth of Indo knowledge.
My father is from Baja, Indonesia. One of my ancestors i have been informed was a princess that married a dutch man. Her name was Sreima back in the early 1900's. She married Jacobus Dom. I suspect she may have lost her title after marrying an outsider unless that was not such a bad thing at the time of Dutch reign.
Does anyone have any information that may tie into her. I think she may have been from Medono, Indonesia. Thanks

[Bhaskara]

What an interesting story. Maybe you could provide us with the name of her ethnicity and/or the name of her kingdom and/or the name of the island/the name of the place/the name of the city or town she was from? Maybe we could tell you a thing or two

[sreima]

My apologies as i dug up the information i do know about my family tree. This is all of the information i was given and unfortunately i do not know much more outside of what i was informed by my father stating she was a princess. From what kingdom...i do not know. There is limited information i have been given. I made an error she was from the 1700's not the 1900's...(i must have been tired when i was typing)
This is the beginning of a long family tree i have that stems from Sriema and Jacobus however i know little about her outside of her being Indonesian, a supposed princess and a native islander. Any help would be great...if possible. Thanks

All i know is the following:

1st generation
Sreima Medono married Jacobus Dom (date of birth or marriage unknown, likely mid 1700's) in Indonesia.

1. Pieter Dom (born Mar.2, 1802; Djocja, Indonesia. Died July.6,1880; Djocja, Indonesia)

2nd generation
Pieter Dom married Maria Johanna Weynschenk (born Jan.12,1810; Solo Indonesia. Died May.28, 1845; Djocja, Indonesia)

1. Arend Nicolaas DOM b: 1828
2. Johan Christiaan Dom b: 4 AUG 1832
3. Hendrik-Louis DOM b: 15 MAR 1837 d: 18 FEB 1891

The children listed were born in Djocja, Indonesia.

3rd Generation
Hendrick Louis Dom married Albertine Leotina Elizabeth Lammers (born 11 DEC 1846 died 20 JUL 1921) in Djocja, Indonesia

[Bhaskara]

Hmm... still a bit blurry, but at least now we know that she was a Javanese, and from the look of it, she might have lived around Yogyakarta (Djocja).

It would help if we know her royal title, here are some examples from the Central Java's Kasunanan Surakarta Hadiningrat line for female royalty/aristocracy: Gusti Kanjeng Ratu (GKR), Kanjeng Bendara Raden Ayu (KBRAy), Gusti Raden Ajeng (GRA), Gusti Raden Ayu (GRAy), Bendara Raden Ajeng (BRA), Bendara Raden Ayu (BRAy), Ratu Alit, Raden Ajeng (RA), Raden Ayu (RAy), etc.

Knowing her title would make it easier to find her line, since different court in Java use different title. Marrying outside of royalty would make her lose the right to give titles to her children, but she herself would still have the right to use her title.

[jiwa]

This has been a very interesting read. First time I've read something about 'Indonesian' history and their rulers.
Hope to read some more

[jokotarub]

There is never a Christian Kingdom In Indonesia.

That's debatable, I guess. Maybe there's not in North Sumatra, where pagan kingdom(s?) crumbled in advance of Christianity, and certainly not in Minahasa, where there were only "village/town republics" instead of kingdoms, and obviously not in Papua, but isn't it possible there were/are Christianized kingdoms, or at least some sort of duchies, in the Moluccas and in East Nusa Tenggara?

My father is from Baja, Indonesia. One of my ancestors ... may have been from Medono, Indonesia. Thanks

Where's Baja? There's Medono in Pekalongan, Central Java. If you were told that she's a princess, maybe she was from noble family which was ruling as regent/bupati around that area.

[JoeRagan]

Where's Baja?

maybe BAJAnegara near Banten and also one in Jawa Timur?

[Sumpit]

Baja is in central Sulawesi according to google maps

[Majapahitans]

The Royal BIG Wedding of Yogya Princess






ROYAL WEDDING: Nurkamnari Dewi (far left), third daughter of Yogyakarta’s Sultan Hamengku Buwono X, takes part in a bathing ceremony at the palace Thursday. Nurkamnari marry Raden Tumenggung Purbodiningrat . (JP/Tarko Sudiarno)


I tought being a Javanese princess, one have to follow strick diet of herbs (jamu) and took care of her body diligently....
This Yogya princess love pizza, and all that yummy stuff too much....

Puteri keraton adalah orang yang punya halaman Friendster, suka BBQ, suka teppanyaki, suka cheese cake, Pizza Dominos, Orange Creme Caramel, spaghetti, rice noodle soup, empek-empek, masakan korea yg pedes, french fries, brownies es krim, suka shopping, suka jalan-jalan… (hampir semua entri di blognya selalu ada kata “makan“), jalansutera.com

Owh whatta phat princess... (I wonder did Sultan and the Groom survive the "bopongan" ceremony)....

This post has been edited by Majapahitans: Jun 14 2008, 10:12 AM

[kelantanese]

i thought indonesia dont have kings already. what are the kings function in indonesia nowadays??? are they rich? people still bow under them?