A Vietnamese architect designed Beijing, the capital of China since 1420 Options

[Johannjs]

http://vietsciences.free.fr/timhieu/tramho...an_kientruc.htm[/url] ]Người Việt vẽ kiểu và xây thủ đô Bắc  kinh

Nhiều sử gia Trung Hoa cho rằng ngày nay dân thành Bắc Kinh
nên làm lễ ghi ơn công trình sư Nguyễn An, người Việt Nam, đã vẽ kiểu và xây kinh đô Bắc Kinh với kiến trúc được công nhận là toàn mỹ.

Translation:

Many Chinese historians suggest that the citizens of Beijing should organize a thanksgiving celebration to honor the architect Nguyễn Anh, a Vietnamese man, who designed and constructed their capital of Beijing, the architecture of which is considered perfect.

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Does anybody here know something about this? Chinese AF members have often bragged that Vietnamese architecture copied on existing Chinese architectural stylings. It seems, on the contrary, that the Vietnamese architectural experience acquired in the construction of Thành Cổ Loa has been used in that of Beijing?

[tam_ca]

dammit how come he designed beijing all good and the person who designed hue ALL FREAKING UGLY..

[Phil_Huynh]

i dont know what to say cept i dont know anything about it and it should be honored then

[Nero874]

Chinese AF members have often bragged that Vietnamese architecture copied on existing Chinese architectural stylings.

That's hilarious, considering it was the Indians who built the pagodas and similar architectures first. And the Chinese also brags about building the first compass. Uh..no..it was one of the ancient European countries. Next, I'm sure they'll claim walls are their inventions too.

Many Chinese historians suggest that the citizens of Beijing should organize a thanksgiving celebration to honor the architect Nguyễn Anh, a Vietnamese man, who designed and constructed their capital of Beijing, the architecture of which is considered perfect.

Good luck with that - it seems like they're too self-centered to acknowledge anyone else's achievements that they've taken advantage of, especially when they've had several hundred years to give formal recognition to Nguyen Anh but never have.

This post has been edited by Nero874: Aug 28 2004, 04:20 PM

[Phil_Huynh]

Chinese AF members have often bragged that Vietnamese architecture copied on existing Chinese architectural stylings.

That's hilarious, considering it was the Indians who built the pagodas and similar architectures first. And the Chinese also brags about building the first compass. Uh..no..it was one of the ancient European countries. Next, I'm sure they'll claim walls are their inventions too.

haha i didnt know any of that

[tam_ca]

check out this site... http://www.orientalarchitecture.com/
and see which looks better, beijings looks awesome,

i dont get it. how come he can design an imperial for china that looks so good and not design a really good one for us, his own country. that mans a fool...

so even if we use that same architecture today, haha it wouldnt be called china's ITS OUR ARCHITECTURE we designed it.. lol cool.

[福州市长]

check out this site... http://www.orientalarchitecture.com/
and see which looks better, beijings looks awesome,

i dont get it. how come he can design an imperial for china that looks so good and not design a really good one for us, his own country. that mans a fool...

so even if we use that same architecture today, haha it wouldnt be called china's ITS OUR ARCHITECTURE we designed it.. lol cool.

his ARCHITECTURE is based on chinese architecture...
in china we have that kinda architecture long before 1420

[Nero874]

Yes, but your architecture is based on Indian architecture. I don't understand why Chinese try to claim everything as theirs. If they truly believe it's theirs, then those people should have actually tried to do some research before making ignorant statements.

[tam_ca]

haha o well beijing looks tiite...... its very CREaTIVE. chinese are lucky its still not messed up like our imperial hue.

EDIT: just noticed phuoc loc tho, or asian garden mall here in garden grove has like the same architecture too...

This post has been edited by tam_ca: Aug 28 2004, 04:12 PM

[福州市长]

Yes, but your architecture is based on Indian architecture. I don't understand why Chinese try to claim everything as theirs. If they truly believe it's theirs, then those people should have actually tried to do some research before making ignorant statements.

are u sure?? Indian look whole lot different than china..

[Nero874]

Yes, but your architecture is based on Indian architecture.  I don't understand why Chinese try to claim everything as theirs.  If they truly believe it's theirs, then those people should have actually tried to do some research before making ignorant statements.

are u sure?? Indian look whole lot different than china..

http://reference.allrefer.com/encyclopedia/P/pagoda.html

"Those of India (see stupa) are chiefly pyramidal structures of masonry, tapering to an apex and elaborately adorned with carving and sculpture. In China the pagoda, derived from India, is one of the most characteristic architectural types and in general is devoted to sacred usage."

As for the compass not being a Chinese invention, I can provide a scanned page to show you that the compass has been invented thousands of years before the Chinese ever first started to use it. But that will have to wait until this weekend.

[福州市长]

yeah pagoda are introduced by indian, that is when they pass the buddism to china. but what about otehr building?? i think that is 100%chinese,

[Nero874]

What other buildings are there? The modern skyscrapers are Western inventions. Everything else are pagodas or something based on pagodas. And if you're not sure about your own country's architecture, maybe you should do some research yourself and not rely on a Vietnamese to tell you about your country.

[tam_ca]

o well, its not like chinas the only one who uses taht architecture... koreans japanese and vietnamese all share the same architecture, but with a little difference between each. The buildings aren't all just pagodas and stuff they are also homes for the 4 asians too, But i'm probably sure the chinese buildings aren't a hundred percent chinese made.

koreans architecture looks closest to chinese though.

[tqt]

This site also talks a bit about the many aspects of chinese culture that were derived from India, architecture also included.

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/India_and_China.htm

[福州市长]

What other buildings are there? The modern skyscrapers are Western inventions. Everything else are pagodas or something based on pagodas. And if you're not sure about your own country's architecture, maybe you should do some research yourself and not rely on a Vietnamese to tell you about your country.

wait wait..... buddism wasn't introduced to china until Tang Dynasty,
what about those Tang palace, qin palace??

[Byron]

(IMG:http://mevietnam.org/NguonGoc/lth-backinh-1.jpg)

From: The Cambridge History of China (Vol. VII).

Got this from Supernovasp.

Note: Annamese is the old name for Vietnamese for those who don't know.

This post has been edited by Byron: Aug 28 2004, 04:22 PM

[福州市长]

Chinese architecture, Architecture

Through the T'ang and Sung dynasties, Chinese architecture retained the basic characteristics already developed in the Han, although there was a greater technical mastery and a tendency toward rich adornment and complexity of the system of bracketing. Though little survives of the wooden structures, our knowledge of their appearance comes from detailed representations in painted scrolls, especially by the Li school of artists in the T'ang period and their followers (see Chinese art).

Extant monuments in Japan, profoundly influenced by Chinese architecture, also reflect the progress of Chinese building techniques. Examples are the 7th-century monastery of Horyu-ji and the 8th-century monastery of Toshodai-ji. In the Ming period the complex of courtyards, parks, and palaces became labyrinthian in scope. Little remains of the imperial palaces at Nanjing, the capital of the Ming dynasty until 1421.

[Nero874]

What other buildings are there?  The modern skyscrapers are Western inventions.  Everything else are pagodas or something based on pagodas.  And if you're not sure about your own country's architecture, maybe you should do some research yourself and not rely on a Vietnamese to tell you about your country.

wait wait..... buddism wasn't introduced to china until Tang Dynasty,
what about those Tang palace, qin palace??

I don't know anything about the Tang or Qin palace...like I said, if you want to be able to know for sure if this and that was of Chinese origins or not, then do research.

[福州市长]

if u don't know, don't say everything from China are based on Indian..