Is Vietnam a Communist Country? |
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Is Vietnam a Communist Country? |
Sep 2 2004, 11:35 PM
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I think i heard that Vietnam was still a communist country. if vietnam is communist, what do you guys feel about it, do u like vietnam to be communist? how come i never see much discussion about communism. maybe because i have the wrong country huh? LMAO
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Sep 2 2004, 11:39 PM
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AF Supreme Group: AF Forum Police Posts: 11,036 Joined: 2-November 03 From: Northern Virginia |
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 3 2004, 12:35 AM) I think i heard that Vietnam was still a communist country. if vietnam is communist, what do you guys feel about it, do u like vietnam to be communist? how come i never see much discussion about communism. maybe because i have the wrong country huh? LMAO Where have you been? or are you acting dumb? |
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Sep 2 2004, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 3 2004, 12:39 AM) QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 3 2004, 12:35 AM) I think i heard that Vietnam was still a communist country. if vietnam is communist, what do you guys feel about it, do u like vietnam to be communist? how come i never see much discussion about communism. maybe because i have the wrong country huh? LMAO Where have you been? or are you acting dumb? what can u expect from a flip? |
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Sep 2 2004, 11:56 PM
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how should i know, what is vietnam to me, what is the african country of botswana to you? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif)
you should be thankful i even i took the time to show a little interest about your country by asking a question. no need to be a smart azz |
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Sep 3 2004, 12:22 AM
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QUOTE no need to be a smart azz No need to be angry, especially with those two individuals Just to answer your question, Vietnam is no longer a central-planned economy anymore. The government has began to privatize many state-owned enterprises over the years. |
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Sep 3 2004, 12:54 AM
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OFFICIALLY the government of Vietnam is Communist, but slowly it's incorporating more and more capitalist practices. Politically it'll most likely always be Communist (not actually always, but i don't see Vietnam suddenly becoming a Democratic state within the next 20 years), i don't think the Communist will one day stand up and say "hey, why not have an opposition? it'll be SOOO much fun."
Get my drift (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) |
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Sep 3 2004, 05:19 AM
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QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 3 2004, 12:56 AM) how should i know, what is vietnam to me, what is the african country of botswana to you? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif) you should be thankful i even i took the time to show a little interest about your country by asking a question. no need to be a smart azz hahah.. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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Sep 3 2004, 06:08 AM
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The USA was anti-communist, so Vietnam (the North part) was communist. The equation was as simple as that. That was the "Cold War" which has terminated with the tearing down of the Berlin Wall in october 1989, then the dissolution thereafter of the USSR (Union of the Sovietic Socialist Republics).
Everybody thinks today that "Vietnam is communist", because of this. This simplifies simple-minded thinking. That also justified the US embargo until 1994-96. This small country defeated the US, and is considered "one of the remaining rare communist countries in the world". And because Vietnam has only one official political party which is the CPV (Communist Party of Vietnam). This party was the Labor Party before the end of the war with the US, then it was renamed the CPV after victory over the US in 1975. Today, the US commerces with Vietnam (commerce is never out of good heart!), but Vietnam is still considered an ennemy politically. Many in the US Congress are still fighting Vietnam; AP, the American "Associated Press" news agency still selects and publishes only news from Vietnam that it can distort. All these are diversions and cover-ups the real facts, that the US was war criminals in Vietnam, and acted like so. You are right or you are wrong, that cannot be otherwise. The US just cannot accept that it was wrong. Wrong morally, politically, and humanely. For the US people, there must be some justification (why we went there?) for having spent so much money, time, energy, in a war that it lost, in a far away smaller and weaker country where it has committed so many crazy massacres, dropped so many millions of tons of bombs, destroyed so much of nature, and taken so many lives - tens of thousands Americans and millions of Vietnamese. Australia was organised in caucuses when it was created on 1st January 1900, and even in 1970, it was still led by the Labor Party, and functionned that same way. The United Kingdom is lead right now by its Labor Party, of which Prime Minister Tony Blair is the leader. Most EU European countries (the majority) are Social(ist) Democratic countries. Sweden is a "socialist" country. When Ho Chi Minh was in France, he happened to be among the founding members, in 1920, of the France's Communist Party, that still exists today. France has been led by the Socialist Party with President François Mitterrand, and from 1981 to 1995 there were many ministers who were from the communist party (other French ministers, the majority, were all members of the socialist party). "Communist" doesn't mean neither anti-democratic, nor anti-freedom. And you can see that in the Vietnamese press, there are less cover-ups than in the US free press. The Socialist Republic of Viet-Nam is governed by elected Hội Đồng, and Uỷ Ban Nhân Dân at all levels, and many Việt Kiều (they have Vietnamese nationality) were elected members of these People's Committees. Nowadays, nobody intelligent thinks any more in terms of being communist or anti-communist, but in terms of history and of timely humane, social, and spiritual achievements. Saying that "Vietnam is a communist country" is only a pretext, by all those most intellectually retarded people who are anti-Vietnam, to say and write negative things about Vietnam. The Cold War is over. And today's world is another world. All countries in the world feel glad that Vietnam is one country, re-united at last, after so much sufferings that its people underwent, because of the never-declared American War on its soil (not Vietnam War). By now, the US people know enough about Vietnam (the intellectuals do), and they know for sure that Vietnam cannot be an ennemy. But they also know that they must act as if it is still an ennemy, because US lost the war, because all that it did there during its war. As long as USA will not face its moral debts towards Vietnam this will be so. Why people hate America? Is America not a democracy? And what differences are there between the USA and other democracies in the world? America is a more finance interest-led inward-democracy (it can kill for oil, and will kill, because it needs a lot of oil). Other democracies are more social-intellectual led in-and-outward universal democracies, with right-wing and left-wing political parties. After all, they have already got their times as mighty imperial powers in the 19th century. The UK (Great Britain), which is often related to as "a nation of shop-keepers" in Europe, is more pro-US politics (US was British, until the France helped it to become independent), but the UK is also part of the EU. *** Nota Bene. All EU governments are true[r] friends with Vietnam. The European Union tries to do "co-development" politics to help the poorer countries to achieve economics, to help the world become a more stable place, where people can stay, work and study in their home countries and not always emigrate elsewhere. We, the EU, did help Russia and all the former USSR countries to recover their economy in the 90s, and we still do that, because we say "peace is less costly than war". The EU did much more than the less moral but more pretending US (with its Hollywood cameras to film the small one-time help!) -- the US which will go somewhere only if it finds quick profits. Today, even for the still powerful America, the game is coming nearer to its end!? The US is spending too much, it needs to spend even to buy non-lasting one-time friendship, there will be a time when its budget explodes for good... the boycotting is going to reverse. This post has been edited by Johannjs: Sep 3 2004, 07:03 AM |
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Sep 3 2004, 07:04 AM
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QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 3 2004, 12:56 AM) how should i know, what is vietnam to me, what is the african country of botswana to you? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif) you should be thankful i even i took the time to show a little interest about your country by asking a question. no need to be a smart azz Welcome to AsiaFinest, truly Asia's Finest. To answer your question is short, Vietnam is politically Communist, economically quasi Capitalist. Communism and dictatorships hasnt really seeped through Vietnam as it has had in Russia and China. Vietnam only really lived around 11 years of "pure Communism" (1975 to 1986) before it opened up. |
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Sep 3 2004, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE (fujisan_8 @ Sep 3 2004, 08:04 AM) QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 3 2004, 12:56 AM) how should i know, what is vietnam to me, what is the african country of botswana to you? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif) you should be thankful i even i took the time to show a little interest about your country by asking a question. no need to be a smart azz Welcome to AsiaFinest, truly Asia's Finest. To answer your question is short, Vietnam is politically Communist, economically quasi Capitalist. Communism and dictatorships hasnt really seeped through Vietnam as it has had in Russia and China. Vietnam only really lived around 11 years of "pure Communism" (1975 to 1986) before it opened up. they are copy cat.. |
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Sep 3 2004, 07:59 AM
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QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 3 2004, 03:52 PM) 福州市长, You should try to write something intelligent of your own now and then, just for a change? That would be nice, if you bring something to the discussion, when you visit the Vietnamese forum! This post has been edited by Johannjs: Sep 3 2004, 08:01 AM |
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Sep 3 2004, 08:07 AM
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QUOTE (Johannjs @ Sep 3 2004, 08:59 AM) QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 3 2004, 03:52 PM) 福州市长, You should try to write something intelligent of your own now and then, just for a change? That would be nice, if you bring something to the discussion, when you visit the Vietnamese forum! China open their door first, after that vietnam also open their door. |
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Sep 3 2004, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 3 2004, 04:07 PM) QUOTE (Johannjs @ Sep 3 2004, 08:59 AM) QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 3 2004, 03:52 PM) 福州市长, You should try to write something intelligent of your own now and then, just for a change? That would be nice, if you bring something to the discussion, when you visit the Vietnamese forum! China open their door first, after that vietnam also open their door. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/poster_spam.gif) OFF-TOPIC I think you don't read. Are you illiterate? Can you read a short text and understand it? |
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Sep 3 2004, 08:16 AM
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QUOTE (Johannjs @ Sep 3 2004, 09:11 AM) QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 3 2004, 04:07 PM) QUOTE (Johannjs @ Sep 3 2004, 08:59 AM) QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 3 2004, 03:52 PM) 福州市长, You should try to write something intelligent of your own now and then, just for a change? That would be nice, if you bring something to the discussion, when you visit the Vietnamese forum! China open their door first, after that vietnam also open their door. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/poster_spam.gif) OFF-TOPIC I think you don't read. Are you illiterate? Can you read a short text and understand it? ok ok..let's not talking about those stuff.... yes vietnam is a communist country... perhap not a bad communist country |
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Sep 3 2004, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE (Johannjs @ Sep 3 2004, 07:08 AM) The USA was anti-communist, so Vietnam (the North part) was communist. The equation was as simple as that. That was the "Cold War" which has terminated with the tearing down of the Berlin Wall in october 1989, then the dissolution thereafter of the USSR (Union of the Sovietic Socialist Republics). Everybody thinks today that "Vietnam is communist", because of this. This simplifies simple-minded thinking. That also justified the US embargo until 1994-96. This small country defeated the US, and is considered "one of the remaining rare communist countries in the world". And because Vietnam has only one official political party which is the CPV (Communist Party of Vietnam). This party was the Labor Party before the end of the war with the US, then it was renamed the CPV after victory over the US in 1975. Today, the US commerces with Vietnam (commerce is never out of good heart!), but Vietnam is still considered an ennemy politically. Many in the US Congress are still fighting Vietnam; AP, the American "Associated Press" news agency still selects and publishes only news from Vietnam that it can distort. All these are diversions and cover-ups the real facts, that the US was war criminals in Vietnam, and acted like so. Seriously, Vietnam does really need U.S help now. Compare to other Asian nations, how much do you think Japan and South Korea can literally "help" Vietnam's economy. What's the "true" alliance of Vietnam now, you ask? Not China of course, ..we still have North Korea and Cuba, two of the poorest countries in the world. China already dominates Vietnam as in economy and somewhat in politic. Nowaday, in Asia, you're pro-America or pro-China. This is a great opinion I found in a Vietnamese (in Vietnam) forum: ( I like the last quote, the best situation is Vietnam turns democratcy and China is still Socalist communist, the worst situation is Vietnam stays Communist while China turns democratcy. Both of these situations are possible) Chào mọi người, Thú thật trên diễn đàn này có bác Mọt là có quan điểm lẫn nhận định gần giống với suy nghĩ của tui nhất. Không phải là tui khen quá lời nhưng việc làm của bác ta rất đáng khâm phục. C̣n bài này tui viết lẽ ra nên để vào tiểu đề "Mỹ và TQ ..." hoặc là "Ai là đồng minh của VN ...", nhưng tui thấy để trong tiểu mục này cũng được, với lại nhân tiện khen bác Mọt một phát! Bây giờ trở lại chuyện đồng minh, bạn giao hảo, bạn giao thương giữa TQ và Mỹ th́ nên chọn ai ? Tui cho rằng để chọn bạn giao thương th́ chọn cả hai nhưng nên nghiêng về phía Mỹ nhiều hơn; c̣n chọn bạn giao hảo th́ cũng cả hai nhưng nên nghiêng về TQ nhiều hơn. Đối với đồng minh (về chính trị cũng như quân sự) cần phải theo dơi thời cơ, "đồng minh giai đoạn" là một kế sách lâu dài có thể thực hiện được. Có người nói rằng nên "đi dây", nhưng đi dây làm sao ? Giữa hai đầu sợi dây bao giờ cũng là hai lực kéo, dây có lúc căng có lúc chùng, người đi dây phải có sào để giữ thăng bằng, không khéo là bị cả hai lực kéo hất xuống như chơi. V́ vậy đi dây chỉ nên làm trong giai đoạn ngắn hạn, chứ không thể lâu dài. Cái thằng làm xiếc cũng mong cho đi cho hết sợi dây hoặc cầu cho hêt giờ biểu diễn chứ không bao giờ muốn đứng giữa sợi dây hoặc đi qua đi lại trên dây suốt đời cả. Thời chiến tranh VN ông Hồ đi dây giữa hai lực LX và TQ mới lấy được phần lợi tốt nhất cho VN là cả hai đều giúp VN đánh Mỹ. Nhưng đâu phải ai cũng có tài đi dây, nhất là đi dây lâu dài. Bởi vậy sau ct chỉ c̣n có khả năng nghiêng hẳn về một phía là LX, nên mới xảy ra việc VN đánh KPC rồi TQ đánh VN, kéo theo hơn chục năm Xuống Hố Cả Nút! Ôn lại quá khứ một chút th́ thấy rằng nếu không có vụ 9/11 th́ có lẽ t́nh h́nh Mỹ và TQ đă trở nên căng thẳng. C̣n nhớ vụ máy bay Mỹ ném bom tinh khôn vào sứ quán TQ tại Beirut (hay Kosovo ?) thời Clinton, rồi vụ máy bay Mỹ đụng máy bay TQ ngoài khơi đảo Hải Nam ? Những vụ này là t́nh cờ hay là cố ư ? Tui cho là cố ư cả. Tui cho là Mỹ từ ngày ấy, tức là sau khi biết chắc LX đă sụp đổ, không thể gượng dậy và đang đi theo hướng dân chủ, th́ Mỹ đă bắt đầu "nắn gân" TQ rồi. Phải hiểu là người Mỹ thực dụng, họ biết là muốn có tiến bộ phải có cạnh tranh, phải có ganh đua. Ngay cả chiến tranh cũng là một h́nh thức cạnh tranh, ganh đua về vũ khí mà Mỹ kiếm lợi không nhỏ về mặt này. V́ vậy vừa chấm dứt xung đột với LX là Mỹ đă muốn có một sự căng thẳng mới rồi. Vụ máy bay Mỹ bắn hỏa tiển tinh khôn vào đại sứ quán TQ tui cho rằng Clinton bị phe diều hâu ở bộ quốc pḥng chơi gác, nhưng vụ máy bay đụng nhau ở Hải Nam là Mỹ đang theo dơi TQ thực sự. Thêm nữa, từ thời Clinton thông tin Mỹ vẫn thường cảnh báo các công ty quốc pḥng chuyển giao kỷ thuật cho TQ và đă có biện pháp mạnh với một vài công ty. Mỹ đă công khai chống đối TQ tại nhiều mặt . Tui tin rằng chuyện 9/11 là bước ngoài tiên liệu của Mỹ, và TQ may mắn cũng nhờ vụ này mà yên thân một thời gian dài phát triển kinh tế. Trở lại với thời hiện tại th́ sao ? Hăy vào đây coi bài tuyên bố của TT Bush được dịch ra tiếng Việt viết về HOA KỲ VẠCH KẾ HOẠCH SẮP XẾP LẠI LỰC LƯỢNG QUÂN SỰ trong đó có nói rằng: "Ở Trung và Đông Nam Á, chúng ta đang thiết lập một mạng lưới các địa điểm tạo cơ hội huấn luyện và tiếp cận khẩn cấp cho các lực lượng thông thường và đặc nhiệm." http://usembassy.state.gov/posts/vn1/wwwhwh040816v.html Nguồn. Ở đây xin mở một dấu ngoặc đế giới thiệu với các bác về trang web của sứ quán Mỹ tại Hà nội. Phần này tui có đăng trong box Mỹ (United States). Xin mời các bác vào đây để lấy ra nhiều thông tin mà các bác có thể cần hoặc đọc để giải trí cũng được. Trong này các bác cũng có thể lấy được thông tin về du học tại Mỹ, lịch sử Mỹ, hiến pháp Mỹ, các mối quan hệ giữa Mỹ và VN ... đều được dịch ra tiếng Việt. http://usembassy.state.gov/posts/vn1/wwwhhome.html Đây là trang chính. http://vietnam.usembassy.gov/wwwhvintagevietnam.html Trang này có mấy tấm h́nh chụp sứ quán Mỹ cũng như vài tư dinh nhân viên sứ quán trước 75 tại SG. http://vietnam.usembassy.gov/wwwhircta.html Đây là trang các tài liệu được dịch ra tiếng Việt. Xin đóng ngoặc ở đây. Với thông tin trên tui nghĩ cp VN nên chú ư lấy mà đề ra sách lược cho phù hợp nếu muốn kết thân với Mỹ trong giai đoạn này. Từ lâu tui nghĩ Mỹ rất muốn hợp tác với VN về cả kinh tế, lẫn chính trị và quân sự nhằm giúp VN thoát khỏi bế tắc hiện nay, nhưng phía VN cứ e dè lần lữa mài, nhiều khi c̣n lên gân chống Mỹ nữa chứ đừng nói đến chuyện hợp tác. Nhưng nếu VN có khôn ngoan, nghĩ tới con đường lâu dài th́ nên mời Mỹ vào tái xây dựng lại cảng Cam Ranh để dùng cho mục đích dân sự trong thời hiện tại, nhưng đồng thời cái kiến trúc này cũng có thể biến thành một cảng quân sự tiếp nhận tàu Mỹ bất cứ lúc nào trong thời gian nhanh nhất nếu có chiến tranh (với bất cứ ai, bất cứ quốc gia nào) xảy ra. Cái mục đích xây cảng này VN có thể công khai cho mọi người, ngay cả TQ biết đế họ đừng có làm điều ǵ quá đáng với VN. Bây giờ nh́n tới TQ tui thấy chỉ khi nào TQ có loạn th́ VN lẫn các nước nhỏ chung quanh mới được yên. TQ có loạn th́ VN mới được lợi và ngược lại. Chuyện này lịch sử ngh́n xưa giữa hai nước đều cho thấy như vậy. Nguy cơ VN xảy ra loạn ít hơn là TQ, tiềm năng TQ bị loạn nhiều gấp mấy lần VN. Chưa kể Đài Loan và Hong Kong là hai mối lo của TQ có thể vỡ ra bất cứ lúc nào,, c̣n có Tây Tạng và Bắc Hàn. Rồi mức tiêu thụ dầu hoả hoặc t́m kiếm năng lượng, nhiên liệu đế chạy bộ máy kinh tế đang phát triển của nó cũng gay gắt không kém. TQ tiêu thụ dầu hoả thứ nh́ sau Mỹ mà TQ th́ không kiếm soát được các mỏ dầu trên thế giới. Rồi mức giàu nghèo cách biệt quá xa trong xă hội, tham nhũng tới độ người ta không c̣n sợ án tứ h́nh nữa. Cái khó là nếu tiên doán được khi nào TQ bắt đầu có loạn để rồi VN lợi dụng được cơ hội ấy mà cất cánh, mà thoát khỏi ra ṿng kiềm toả của nó thôi. Có lúc tui nghĩ tới chuyện VN là một ngoại tố kích thích sự loạn bên trong TQ. Nếu VN chuyển hoá mau hơn TQ th́ chuyện này hoặc sẽ làm cho TQ phải thay đổi theo, hoặc là Đài Loan có nhiều cơ hội thay đổi TQ hơn là TQ dùng vũ lực chiếm Đài Loan. Bằng không th́ TQ sẽ đánh ĐL, th́ cũng là một cái loạn. Tui không nghĩ là TQ sẽ đánh VN nếu VN chuyển hoá qua dân chủ một cách mau chóng. Trường hợp tốt nhất th́ một TQ dân chủ vẫn tốt hơn cho VN cũng dân chủ. Trường hợp tệ nhất là TQ có dân chủ mà VN theo không kịp hoặc vẫn giữ độc tài. |
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Sep 3 2004, 11:27 AM
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AF Pro Group: Members Posts: 2,539 Joined: 12-June 04 From: France |
1/ What I wrote above is self explanatory (I wrote a long text, so I did it carefully, clearly, understandably).
Individual Americans can be friends of Vietnam, not USA the country. All those who were friends with USA know it: USA is a dangerous ally. It will let you down whenever its short-term interests fail to be visible. (What has America done since the end of its embargo? it has not invested as much as small Taiwan! USA is ranked 13th in the list of investors year in year out). Vietnam does not NEED America. It's just the contrary: this will give moral justification to America - which USA doesn't have anywhere on the globe. Vietnam has very many true friends, including all of the EU countries (that's 25 European countries) + of course all industrialized countries in Asian Pacific, including accepted old ennemies Japan, Korea, Australia, which whom Vietnam doest honest trade. Of course, former friend-states of the East block + China will also be Vietnam's partners. Like before, USA is at war with Vietnam (politically), not the reverse. Vietnam bears no particular hate against America (it would be loosing precious time and energy), only very careful relations. As for the schrimps problem initiated by America, Vietnam has found alternative markets, with higher prices. 2/ The text in Vietnamese which you quote. This man is really lẩm cẩm, like an old man who is out of his mind. He is building hypotheses about short terms alliances - military alliances - in case of conflict!!! who is afraid of China nowadays? every country will have too much to loose. Who has nuclear power? not only China. Whose interest that will be, if there was a conflict in the region? not China's, and not Vietnam's. As you can see, even in Vietnam, there are a lot of people who also want Vietnam to be friends with USA... but as a former Viet AF member would say, this is a lot of "hot air". China and Vietnam are at peace right now, and they will be neighbours for a very, very long time. Lately, I quoted NGUYỄN TRĂI a lot, because I think his style of thinking can explain Vietnam's today's politics : "be fair and humane to your adversaries, in the end righteousness will pay". Vietnam will stay always on legal grounds now. It has learnt a lot from former conflicts. Even if John Kerry is elected, that will not change much of Vietnam's politics. Because it will not change anything in US's politics: America Inc will always be America Inc. And that's what leads US's politics. In spite of morality when needed. Anyway, in the next 10 years, don't expect too much of US-Vietnam relationships. The question for both countries is more this: what is to do if the dollar continues to go lower on international markets? I'll probably post a whole dossier about the Spratlys conflict soon. |
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Sep 3 2004, 11:58 AM
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AF Supreme Group: AF Forum Police Posts: 11,036 Joined: 2-November 03 From: Northern Virginia |
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Sep 3 2004, 12:27 PM) This man is really lẩm cẩm, like an old man who is out of his mind. He is building hypotheses about short terms alliances - military alliances - in case of conflict!!! who is afraid of China nowadays? every country will have too much to loose. Who has nuclear power? not only China. Whose interest that will be, if there was a conflict in the region? not China's, and not Vietnam's. Who is afraid of China nowaday? OF course Vietnam, Korea, Japan, and any nations that border with China.. who are afraid of China's dominance in Asia.. and it will be eventually. China picks on Korea with their history, picks on Japan with the Senkaku islands, picked on Vietnam and the whole Southeast Asia with the South-China sea, and Spratly islands. What's so dangerous about U.S.A ? But really I know you're very anti-America, because you're French, but USA actually helped Japan, South Korea (later), and the whole Europe to get back on their feet after WWII. On the other hand, China has been not very much a friendly "friend" to Vietnam, just look at the history. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by supernovasp: Sep 3 2004, 12:01 PM |
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Sep 3 2004, 12:17 PM
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AF Guru Group: Members Posts: 3,771 Joined: 22-April 04 From: VN |
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 3 2004, 09:52 AM) QUOTE (fujisan_8 @ Sep 3 2004, 08:04 AM) QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 3 2004, 12:56 AM) how should i know, what is vietnam to me, what is the african country of botswana to you? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif) you should be thankful i even i took the time to show a little interest about your country by asking a question. no need to be a smart azz Welcome to AsiaFinest, truly Asia's Finest. To answer your question is short, Vietnam is politically Communist, economically quasi Capitalist. Communism and dictatorships hasnt really seeped through Vietnam as it has had in Russia and China. Vietnam only really lived around 11 years of "pure Communism" (1975 to 1986) before it opened up. they are copy cat.. It's not only that if communism fails China would probably split up into many parts just like the old Soviet Union, now 福州市长 would you want that???... I guess not.. |
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Sep 3 2004, 12:51 PM
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AF Fan Group: Members Posts: 28 Joined: 27-August 04 |
QUOTE When Ho Chi Minh was in France, he happened to be among the founding members, in 1920, of the France's Communist Party, that still exists today. France has been led by the Socialist Party with President François Mitterrand, and from 1981 to 1995 there were many ministers who were from the communist party (other French ministers, the majority, were all members of the socialist party). "Communist" doesn't mean neither anti-democratic, nor anti-freedom. And you can see that in the Vietnamese press, there are less cover-ups than in the US free press. The Socialist Republic of Viet-Nam is governed by elected Hội Đồng, and Uỷ Ban Nhân Dân at all levels, and many Việt Kiều (they have Vietnamese nationality) were elected members of these People's Committees. Communism in France or in others democracies has not the same meaning as in Russia, cuba or north korea. In Western Europe, Commies are true democrats they respect democracy . Commies in Europe criticize what communism did in Russia, china, Cuba or north korea without ambiguity. They are the first to say " yes communism killed 80000000 people, yes there was no liberty in these states. You can't compare european commies with commies from "socialist republic". |
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Sep 3 2004, 01:15 PM
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AF Pro Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 6-August 04 |
QUOTE (DaiNamViet @ Sep 3 2004, 01:17 PM) QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 3 2004, 09:52 AM) QUOTE (fujisan_8 @ Sep 3 2004, 08:04 AM) QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 3 2004, 12:56 AM) how should i know, what is vietnam to me, what is the african country of botswana to you? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif) you should be thankful i even i took the time to show a little interest about your country by asking a question. no need to be a smart azz Welcome to AsiaFinest, truly Asia's Finest. To answer your question is short, Vietnam is politically Communist, economically quasi Capitalist. Communism and dictatorships hasnt really seeped through Vietnam as it has had in Russia and China. Vietnam only really lived around 11 years of "pure Communism" (1975 to 1986) before it opened up. they are copy cat.. It's not only that if communism fails China would probably split up into many parts just like the old Soviet Union, now 福州市长 would you want that???... I guess not.. did i say anything about don't want to be communist?? |
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