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post Aug 26 2008, 07:26 AM
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Any stocks idea?
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post Aug 26 2008, 01:54 PM
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Buy low, sell high.
But seriously, the market is too volatile for my liking.
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post Aug 26 2008, 10:40 PM
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buy in overbought conditions, check all timeframes. 15 minute charts, daily chart, weekly chart, and monthly chart.

sell when housing prices and inventory start recovering

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post Sep 1 2008, 01:25 PM
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My portfolio is doing okay for now, up 2.87%.

2008 YTD return for S&P 500 Index is -12.64%

Companies, Symbols, % Return

J.C. Penney Company, Inc. JCP 32.37%
Titanium Metals Corporation TIE 22.22%
NVIDIA Corporation NVDA 17.47%
Terex Corporation TEX 14.40%
Tidewater Inc. TDW 9.24%
Avnet, Inc. AVT 8.22%
Wyndham Worldwide Corporation WYN 7.41%
Frontier Oil Corporation FTO 5.50%
The Goodyear Tire & Rubber... GT 4.64%
Sepracor Inc. SEPR 4.55%
American Eagle Outfitters AEO 4.00%
Abercrombie & Fitch Co. ANF 1.53%

HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc. HCC -0.14%
Oshkosh Corporation OSK -3.81%
Archer Daniels Midland Company ADM -7.22%
Western Digital Corp. WDC -7.79%
Manitowoc Company, Inc. MTW -8.47%
AutoNation, Inc. AN -9.56%
Allegheny Technologies... -10.58%
Lear Corporation LEA -21.27%



Objective:

Invest in stocks of low P/E, low P/B, low P/S, and low PEG.

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post Sep 1 2008, 05:45 PM
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Actually, it's buy high, sell higher, and never try to bottom pick. But that only applies to traders. Investing is a different game.

Is this clan about investing or trading? Investing in a bunch of stocks with no idea about the management's capability, the company's performance prospects, or the time horizon in which the "tip" is a good investment is pretty suicidal if you ask me.
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post Sep 1 2008, 07:22 PM
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Vinceroni,

Whatever works, you may use investing and trading. What stocks have you?


This is how I choose stocks.


http://screen.yahoo.com/stocks.html


Index Membership: S&P 500

Valuation Ratios

Price/Earnings Ratio: 0 to 10
Price/Book Ratio: 0 to 5
Price/Sales Ratio: 0 to 5
PEG Ratio: 0 to 1




Symbol Company Index Mem P / E Price/Book Price/Sales PEG

AES AES CORPORATION Dow Utilites , S&P 500 8.32 2.4 0.7 0.92
ATI ALLEGHENY TECH NEW S&P 500 7.67 2.0 0.9 0.56
ADM ARCHER DANIELS MDLND S&P 500 9.13 1.2 0.2 0.86
AN AUTONATION INC S&P 500 9.27 0.6 0.1 0.99
CB CHUBB CP THE S&P 500 7.27 1.2 1.2 0.87

CVH COVENTRY HLTH CARE S&P 500 9.64 1.6 0.5 0.77
XOM EXXON MOBIL CP Dow Industrials , S&P 500 9.90 3.3 1.0 0.82
GS GOLDMAN SACHS GRP S&P 500 7.82 1.6 1.6 0.7
HUM HUMANA INC S&P 500 9.44 1.9 0.3 0.71
MTW MANITOWOC CO INC S&P 500 7.94 2.0 0.7 0.23

MRO MARATHON OIL CORP S&P 500 9.98 1.6 0.5 0.73
NE NOBLE CORP S&P 500 9.50 2.8 4.1 0.4
NUE NUCOR CP S&P 500 8.88 2.1 0.8 0.91
TEX TEREX CP S&P 500 7.20 1.9 0.5 0.54
TRV THE TRAVELERS CO S&P 500 6.75 1.0 1.0 0.83

RIG TRANSOCEAN INC S&P 500 8.14 2.7 4.1 0.43
WYN WYNDHAM WORLDWIDE S&P 500 9.56 0.9 0.8 0.7



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post Sep 2 2008, 09:31 AM
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Buy Index Funds. Most people shouldn't be investing directly.
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post Sep 2 2008, 04:52 PM
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I am pretty much a noob when it comes to stock. Which company do you use to trade stock? Scott, Ameritrade, fidelity, ING direct?
I've been trying to learn but there is just fu-king too much information out there and I don't even know where to start. Any tips?
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post Sep 2 2008, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE(BurmaMan @ Sep 2 2008, 02:52 PM) [snapback]3906311[/snapback]
I am pretty much a noob when it comes to stock. Which company do you use to trade stock? Scott, Ameritrade, fidelity, ING direct?
I've been trying to learn but there is just fu-king too much information out there and I don't even know where to start. Any tips?


Burma Man,

I use www.Zecco.com. If your account has at least $2,500; then you get 10 free trades per month. Otherwise, you pay $4.50 per stock trade.


You can take a look at the stocks below. You can go to the link below and screen the stocks below using the criteria I have listed.


http://screen.yahoo.com/stocks.html


Index Membership: S&P 500

Valuation Ratios

Price/Earnings Ratio: 0 to 10
Price/Book Ratio: 0 to 5
Price/Sales Ratio: 0 to 5
PEG Ratio: 0 to 1




Symbol Company Index Mem P / E Price/Book Price/Sales PEG

AES AES CORPORATION Dow Utilites , S&P 500 8.32 2.4 0.7 0.92
ATI ALLEGHENY TECH NEW S&P 500 7.67 2.0 0.9 0.56
ADM ARCHER DANIELS MDLND S&P 500 9.13 1.2 0.2 0.86
AN AUTONATION INC S&P 500 9.27 0.6 0.1 0.99
CB CHUBB CP THE S&P 500 7.27 1.2 1.2 0.87

CVH COVENTRY HLTH CARE S&P 500 9.64 1.6 0.5 0.77
XOM EXXON MOBIL CP Dow Industrials , S&P 500 9.90 3.3 1.0 0.82
GS GOLDMAN SACHS GRP S&P 500 7.82 1.6 1.6 0.7
HUM HUMANA INC S&P 500 9.44 1.9 0.3 0.71
MTW MANITOWOC CO INC S&P 500 7.94 2.0 0.7 0.23

MRO MARATHON OIL CORP S&P 500 9.98 1.6 0.5 0.73
NE NOBLE CORP S&P 500 9.50 2.8 4.1 0.4
NUE NUCOR CP S&P 500 8.88 2.1 0.8 0.91
TEX TEREX CP S&P 500 7.20 1.9 0.5 0.54
TRV THE TRAVELERS CO S&P 500 6.75 1.0 1.0 0.83

RIG TRANSOCEAN INC S&P 500 8.14 2.7 4.1 0.43
WYN WYNDHAM WORLDWIDE S&P 500 9.56 0.9 0.8 0.7



Please feel free to ask if you have any questions.
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post Sep 3 2008, 04:36 PM
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Thanks for the info.

What about the tax? How many percent do you have to pay when you buy/sell? How does it affect the federal/state income tax return? Do you get someone like H&R Block to do it for you or use the software that you can buy from Best buy/circuit city? I've heard that there is a range for income tax and if you go hit the next range then you have to pay more?

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post Sep 3 2008, 05:06 PM
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hey what do you guys think of these 3 stocks.
KONG-
WM
CAEI
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post Sep 3 2008, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(dychen85 @ Sep 3 2008, 03:06 PM) [snapback]3907749[/snapback]
hey what do you guys think of these 3 stocks.
KONG-
WM
CAEI




Take a look at the valuation measures of KONG below. According to my personal investing style, I would not invest in KONG because its Price/Earnings is 89.33. I prefer to invest in companies with Price/Earnings of less than 10.

Kong's PEG ratio is 4.54. Again, this is too high. I invest in companies with PEG ratio of less than 1.0.



http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=KONG


Data provided by Capital IQ, except where noted.

VALUATION MEASURES

Market Cap (intraday)5: 143.19M
Enterprise Value (4-Sep-08)3: 15.17M
Trailing P/E (ttm, intraday): 89.33
Forward P/E (fye 31-Dec-09) 1: 30.92
PEG Ratio (5 yr expected): 4.54
Price/Sales (ttm): 1.78
Price/Book (mrq): 0.80
Enterprise Value/Revenue (ttm)3: 0.19
Enterprise Value/EBITDA (ttm)3: 26.709


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I have Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. (GT) in my portfolio. I invest in GT because currently it has P/E of 5.76 (less than 10) and PEG ratio of 0.26 (less than 1). Furthermore, it has Price/Sales of 0.24 (less than 5.0) and Price/Book of 1.47 (less than 5.0).



http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=GT


Data provided by Capital IQ, except where noted.

VALUATION MEASURES

Market Cap (intraday)5: 5.11B
Enterprise Value (4-Sep-08)3: 6.93B
Trailing P/E (ttm, intraday): 5.76
Forward P/E (fye 31-Dec-09) 1: 7.68
PEG Ratio (5 yr expected): 0.26
Price/Sales (ttm): 0.24
Price/Book (mrq): 1.47
Enterprise Value/Revenue (ttm)3: 0.34
Enterprise Value/EBITDA (ttm)3: 3.633




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post Sep 3 2008, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE(BurmaMan @ Sep 3 2008, 02:36 PM) [snapback]3907720[/snapback]
Thanks for the info.

What about the tax? How many percent do you have to pay when you buy/sell? How does it affect the federal/state income tax return? Do you get someone like H&R Block to do it for you or use the software that you can buy from Best buy/circuit city? I've heard that there is a range for income tax and if you go hit the next range then you have to pay more?



I pay $24.99 per 6 months for GainsKeeper and it keeps track of my capital gains/losses. You can choose to keep track of it by yourself using Excel spreadsheet.

For long-term capital gain (more than 1 year) on stocks, you need to pay 15%. If it is short-term capital gain (less than 1 year) on stocks, you pay at your current tax bracket.

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post Sep 4 2008, 07:56 PM
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Today has been a tough day for buy and hold investors.


Successful investing requires patience and perseverance.
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post Sep 8 2008, 01:12 AM
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My current portfolio consists of the stocks listed below with 70/30 split between stocks and fixed income investments.

JPM
TWC
C
CNP
WNR (recent acquisition, sold SU and purchased WNR is late May)
MRK
KFT
TAP
PG

Due to the mortgage crisis/credit crunch I've been getting killed in the financial sector for the past few years. However I've been able beat market returns due to my "safe" dividend stocks. Thank god the US Treasury announced the bailout for FanMae and FreMac.

Anywho, you guys should try this site.

http://www.investopedia.com/

I used to use it during my undergraduate days. It's a pretty good stock simulator, it's good for college students to practice before they head into the real world.

TO thread starter (SoCal). If you like, you can start up a Investopedia account/game and make it public to all the members on AF. Just post the Game Name on the forum so people can join. So everyone on AF can compete with each other and see who will be the next Warren Buffet.
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post Sep 13 2008, 09:08 AM
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You are good for beating the current market. Please keep us updated about your portfolio. icon_smile.gif
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had 15k 3 weeks before school started
have 40k now. maybe more on open of tomorrow

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do not go long in this market, unless it's for a short trade
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TOL negative macdh diverengence, very bearish sector, overbought, insider selling http://www.form4oracle.com/company?cik=000...&ticker=tol

every day insiders selling massive amounts of stock

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that's a free one. i will take a large put position when the time is right.
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post Sep 14 2008, 06:07 PM
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stay away from LEH...
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post Sep 20 2008, 08:23 PM
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My Portfolio

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Exchange-Traded Funds

Australia iShares (EWA)
Canada iShares (EWC)
Korea iShares (EWY)

BRIC + Korea and Mexico
Brazil
Russia
India
China
Korea
Mexico


iShares MSCI BRIC Index Fund (ETF)
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Stocks

Basic Materials
Schnitzer Steel Industries Inc. (SCHN) United States
Yanzhou Coal Mining Co. Ltd. (YZC) China


Technology
Corning Inc. (GLW)

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401k

American Funds EuroPacific Growth (RERBX)
American Funds Capital World Growth and Income (RWIBX)
American Funds Growth Fund of America (RGABX)
American Funds Investment Company of America (RICBX)

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