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Chabacano is also spoken in sabah, Chabacano is also spoken in sabah
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post Sep 10 2004, 07:56 PM
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Chavacano, also called Zamboangueño and Chabacano, is a Spanish creole A number of Creole languages are based on the Spanish language.

Spanish Creole languagesList of Spanish-based Creole languages:

Chavacano
Chavacano (also Chabacano, meaning "vulgar" in standard Spanish) is a Spanish-based Creole spoken in the Philippines.
According to a 1990 census, there are 292,630 speakers. It is the major language of Zamboanga City. Chavacano is also spoken in parts of Sabah, Malaysia nearest to the Philippines.
..... Click the link for more information.  spoken in the Philippines. Chavacano is concentrated mostly in the provinces of Zamboanga Zamboanga refers to a place in western Mindanao in the Philippines. The term is often used to refer to either the whole of Zamboanga Peninsula, which is both the name of the landform and the administrative region on that landform; or to Zamboanga City. The Zamboanga Peninsula region is composed of three provinces also named Zamboanga: Zamboanga del Norte, Zamboanga del Sur, and Zamboanga Sibugay.
..... Click the link for more information. , with some speakers found in Cavite Cavite is a province of the Philippines located on the southern shores of Manila Bay in the CALABARZON region in Luzon, just 30 kilometers south of Manila. Its capital is the municipality of Imus although Trece Martires City, which was the former capital, is still the seat of the provincial government and the location of the capitol building. Cavite is surrounded by the provinces of Laguna to the east and Batangas to the south. To the west lies the South China Sea.
..... Click the link for more information. . According to a 1990 census, there are 292,630 speakers.

The vocabulary comes from the Spanish language Spanish is an Iberian Romance language, and the third or fourth most spoken language in the world. It is spoken as a first language by about 352 million people, or by 417 million including non-native speakers (according to 1999 estimates). The majority of Spanish speakers live in Latin America.

Spanish (español or castellano)
Spoken in: Mexico, Colombia, Argentina, Spain, USA and 40 other countries.

..... Click the link for more information. , while the grammar Grammar is the study of the rules governing the use of a language. That set of rules is also called the grammar of the language, and each language has its own distinct grammar. Grammar is part of the general study of language called linguistics.

The subfields of grammar are phonetics, phonology, morphology, syntax, and semantics.

Linguists recognise a number of types of grammar.


..... Click the link for more information.  is mostly based on indigenous structures. It is used in primary education Primary or elementary education is the first years of formal, structured education that occurs during childhood. In most Western countries, it is compulsory for children to receive primary education (though in many jurisdictions it is permissible for parents to provide it).
Primary education generally begins when children are four to seven years of age. The division between primary and secondary education is somewhat arbitrary, but it generally occurs at about twelve years of age (adolescence); some educational systems have separate middle schools for that period. Primary and secondary education together are sometimes (in particular, in Canada and the United States) referred to as "K-12" education, (K is for kindergarten, 12 is for twelfth grade).
..... Click the link for more information. , television See TV (disambiguation) for other uses of TV.


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Television is a telecommunication system for broadcasting and receiving moving pictures and sound over a distance. The term has come to refer to all the aspects of television programming and transmission as well. The word television is a hybrid word, coming from both Greek and Latin. "Tele-" is Greek for "far", while "-vision" is from the Latin "visio", meaning "vision" or "sight".
..... Click the link for more information.  and radio

  For other uses see: radio (disambiguation)

Radio is a technology that allows the transmission of signals by modulation of electromagnetic waves with frequencies below those of light.


Radio wavesRadio waves are a form of electromagnetic radiation, and are created whenever a charged object accelerates with a frequency that lies in the radio frequency (RF) portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. This is the range from a few tens of hertz to a few gigahertz. Electromagnetic radiation travels (propagates) by means of oscillating electric and magnetic fields that pass through the air and the vacuum of space equally well, and does not require a medium of transport.
..... Click the link for more information. .


Other varieties Some varieties based on the nearby regions are Davaeño spoken in Davao and Cotabateño spoken in Cotabato. Three other known varieties of Chabacano which have Tagalog as their base are: Caviteño, Ternateño, and Ermitaño. There is also a version that is said to exist in Sabah, Malaysia. Ermitaño is said to be extinct, however a total of 210,000 speak Caviteño & Ternateño, according to the 2000 Census.


Historical development (Zamboangueño) In June 23, 1635, Zamboanga became a permanent foothold of the Spanish government known as San José Fort. Bombardment of Muslim attackers, harassments of Muslim pirates and the determination to spread Christianity forced friars to request Spanish reinforcements. Zamboanga or San José Fort was also a crucial strategic location. From then on, constant Spanish military reinforcements as well as increased presence of Spanish religious institutions and educational institutions have fostered the Spanish creole.


Samples: ;Ya mirá yo cun José.    ( ‘I saw José.’) ;Nisós ya pidí pabor cun su papang.    (‘We have already asked your father for a favor.’) ;Ele ya empesá buscá que buscá con el sal.    (‘He/She began to search everywhere for the salt.’) ;Eli ya andá na escuela.    (‘He/She went to school.’) ;Mario ya dormí na casa.    (‘Mario slept in the house.’) ;El ombre, QUE ya man encontra tu, mi hermano.    (The man [whom] you met is my brother.) ;El persona, CON QUIEN ta conversa tu, bien bueno gayot.    (The person you are talking to is very nice indeed.)

The 'Our Father' in the Chabacano of Zamboanga
EL "PADRE NUESTRO" NA CHABACANO DE ZAMBOANGA
Tata diamon talli na cielo, bendito el di Uste nombre. Ace el di Uste voluntad aqui na tierra, igual como alli na cielo.

Dale kanamon el pan para cada dia. Perdona el diamon maga culpa, como ta perdona kame con aquellos tiene culpa kanamon. No deja que ay cae kame na tentacion Y libra kanamon del mal.


Spanish words that changed in meaning.'Ya' denotes past tense. (Spanish: ya-already)

Siguro means 'Maybe'.(Spanish: seguro-sure, secure, stable)

Syempre means 'Of course'.(Spanish: siempre-always)

Pirmi means 'Always'. (Spanish: firme-firm,steady

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Chabacano
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post Sep 10 2004, 08:02 PM
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who are the bisaya in sabah and borneo?
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post Sep 10 2004, 08:35 PM
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IT IS!?!? cool!

there are bisaya in sabah? really?
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post Sep 10 2004, 10:05 PM
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there is a people called bisaya in sabah... but they are a mystery to me
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post Sep 11 2004, 02:01 AM
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There are also Bisayas in Brunei. Pic of an old man in this christian site.
http://www.ksafe.com/profiles/p_code6/873.html
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post Sep 11 2004, 10:32 AM
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man it's no surprise we're right next to each other, we are all one people at one time and national borders are but new nor permanent they are just political not cultural
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post Sep 11 2004, 10:46 AM
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oh yeah i got a book about east malaysia and it shows the different ethnic groups and where they live, bisaya are like in tiny communities.. but the badjao are like around almost the entire coast of sabah state.
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post Sep 11 2004, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 11 2004, 11:46 AM)
oh yeah i got a book about east malaysia and it shows the different ethnic groups and where they live, bisaya are like in tiny communities.. but the badjao are like around almost the entire coast of sabah state.

u got a book? u are really serious bout this stuff... *applauds* you should teach this stuff in universities... but then, he'd give such a bias lecture... haha
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post Sep 11 2004, 10:07 PM
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& what are my biases, hmmm?? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/confused.gif)
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QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 11 2004, 11:07 PM)

lol.. either your super duper favouritism of things filipino, or your super duper haterism of all things filipino... heheh.. or is that just ur mood swings?
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post Sep 11 2004, 10:50 PM
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iono what's wrong with me, (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif) LOL
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QUOTE (BishoujoHunter @ Sep 10 2004, 08:56 PM)
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Chavacano, also called Zamboangueño and Chabacano, is a Spanish creole A number of Creole languages are based on the Spanish language.

Spanish Creole languagesList of Spanish-based Creole languages:

Chavacano
Chavacano (also Chabacano, meaning "vulgar" in standard Spanish) is a Spanish-based Creole spoken in the Philippines.
According to a 1990 census, there are 292,630 speakers. It is the major language of Zamboanga City. Chavacano is also spoken in parts of Sabah, Malaysia nearest to the Philippines.
..... Click the link for more information.  spoken in the Philippines. Chavacano is concentrated mostly in the provinces of Zamboanga Zamboanga refers to a place in western Mindanao in the Philippines. The term is often used to refer to either the whole of Zamboanga Peninsula, which is both the name of the landform and the administrative region on that landform; or to Zamboanga City. The Zamboanga Peninsula region is composed of three provinces also named Zamboanga: Zamboanga del Norte, Zamboanga del Sur, and Zamboanga Sibugay.
..... Click the link for more information. , with some speakers found in Cavite Cavite is a province of the Philippines located on the southern shores of Manila Bay in the CALABARZON region in Luzon, just 30 kilometers south of Manila. Its capital is the municipality of Imus although Trece Martires City, which was the former capital, is still the seat of the provincial government and the location of the capitol building. Cavite is surrounded by the provinces of Laguna to the east and Batangas to the south. To the west lies the South China Sea.
..... Click the link for more information. . According to a 1990 census, there are 292,630 speakers.

The vocabulary comes from the Spanish language Spanish is an Iberian Romance language, and the third or fourth most spoken language in the world. It is spoken as a first language by about 352 million people, or by 417 million including non-native speakers (according to 1999 estimates). The majority of Spanish speakers live in Latin America.

Spanish (español or castellano)
Spoken in: Mexico, Colombia, Argentina, Spain, USA and 40 other countries.

..... Click the link for more information. , while the grammar Grammar is the study of the rules governing the use of a language. That set of rules is also called the grammar of the language, and each language has its own distinct grammar. Grammar is part of the general study of language called linguistics.

The subfields of grammar are phonetics, phonology, morphology, syntax, and semantics.

Linguists recognise a number of types of grammar.


..... Click the link for more information.  is mostly based on indigenous structures. It is used in primary education Primary or elementary education is the first years of formal, structured education that occurs during childhood. In most Western countries, it is compulsory for children to receive primary education (though in many jurisdictions it is permissible for parents to provide it).
Primary education generally begins when children are four to seven years of age. The division between primary and secondary education is somewhat arbitrary, but it generally occurs at about twelve years of age (adolescence); some educational systems have separate middle schools for that period. Primary and secondary education together are sometimes (in particular, in Canada and the United States) referred to as "K-12" education, (K is for kindergarten, 12 is for twelfth grade).
..... Click the link for more information. , television See TV (disambiguation) for other uses of TV.


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Television is a telecommunication system for broadcasting and receiving moving pictures and sound over a distance. The term has come to refer to all the aspects of television programming and transmission as well. The word television is a hybrid word, coming from both Greek and Latin. "Tele-" is Greek for "far", while "-vision" is from the Latin "visio", meaning "vision" or "sight".
..... Click the link for more information.  and radio

   For other uses see: radio (disambiguation)

Radio is a technology that allows the transmission of signals by modulation of electromagnetic waves with frequencies below those of light.


Radio wavesRadio waves are a form of electromagnetic radiation, and are created whenever a charged object accelerates with a frequency that lies in the radio frequency (RF) portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. This is the range from a few tens of hertz to a few gigahertz. Electromagnetic radiation travels (propagates) by means of oscillating electric and magnetic fields that pass through the air and the vacuum of space equally well, and does not require a medium of transport.
..... Click the link for more information. .


Other varieties Some varieties based on the nearby regions are Davaeño spoken in Davao and Cotabateño spoken in Cotabato. Three other known varieties of Chabacano which have Tagalog as their base are: Caviteño, Ternateño, and Ermitaño. There is also a version that is said to exist in Sabah, Malaysia. Ermitaño is said to be extinct, however a total of 210,000 speak Caviteño & Ternateño, according to the 2000 Census.


Historical development (Zamboangueño) In June 23, 1635, Zamboanga became a permanent foothold of the Spanish government known as San José Fort. Bombardment of Muslim attackers, harassments of Muslim pirates and the determination to spread Christianity forced friars to request Spanish reinforcements. Zamboanga or San José Fort was also a crucial strategic location. From then on, constant Spanish military reinforcements as well as increased presence of Spanish religious institutions and educational institutions have fostered the Spanish creole.


Samples: ;Ya mirá yo cun José.    ( ‘I saw José.’) ;Nisós ya pidí pabor cun su papang.    (‘We have already asked your father for a favor.’) ;Ele ya empesá buscá que buscá con el sal.    (‘He/She began to search everywhere for the salt.’) ;Eli ya andá na escuela.    (‘He/She went to school.’) ;Mario ya dormí na casa.    (‘Mario slept in the house.’) ;El ombre, QUE ya man encontra tu, mi hermano.    (The man [whom] you met is my brother.) ;El persona, CON QUIEN ta conversa tu, bien bueno gayot.    (The person you are talking to is very nice indeed.)

The 'Our Father' in the Chabacano of Zamboanga
EL "PADRE NUESTRO" NA CHABACANO DE ZAMBOANGA
Tata diamon talli na cielo, bendito el di Uste nombre. Ace el di Uste voluntad aqui na tierra, igual como alli na cielo.

Dale kanamon el pan para cada dia. Perdona el diamon maga culpa, como ta perdona kame con aquellos tiene culpa kanamon. No deja que ay cae kame na tentacion Y libra kanamon del mal.


Spanish words that changed in meaning.'Ya' denotes past tense. (Spanish: ya-already)

Siguro means 'Maybe'.(Spanish: seguro-sure, secure, stable)

Syempre means 'Of course'.(Spanish: siempre-always)

Pirmi means 'Always'. (Spanish: firme-firm,steady

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Chabacano

You know why there are bisayans and chabacano in Malaysia, especially in Sabah?
That is because historically Sabah should have been part of the Philippine territory..To bad our the government do not have political teeth on the matter, if the Philippines are to claim Sabah now in UN, it would be next to impossible already.
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post Sep 18 2004, 12:36 PM
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the philippines need to learn how to get along with muslim malay, christian malay, and animist malay within our own borders before even thinking of including a land that is inhabited by diverse religious practioners.....

we should acknowledge ourselves not as a "prodominately christian country" but as a proud "multicultural/religious country" and then people like sabah may had more desire to join us.
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I remember when Soekarno, the first Indo president declared Ganyang Malaysia, he wanted all of Borneo to be Indonesia's
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post Sep 18 2004, 10:27 PM
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could u see malaysia and indonesia unification in the future?
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post Sep 21 2004, 07:34 AM
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many filipinos were deported from sabah
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post Sep 21 2004, 08:50 AM
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Are Chabacanos and Chicanos related ? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif) jk.
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post Sep 21 2004, 01:03 PM
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yes, chavacanos are people who speak a language that is most closer to spanish. they speak a bisayan-spanish creole.
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QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 18 2004, 01:36 PM)
the philippines need to learn how to get along with muslim malay, christian malay, and animist malay within our own borders before even thinking of including a land that is inhabited by diverse religious practioners.....

we should acknowledge ourselves not as a "prodominately christian country" but as a proud "multicultural/religious country" and then people like sabah may had more desire to join us.

Uh wrong the Philippines is an pre-dominantly christian country. The Christian malays make up 91.5% of the filipino population. Saying the Philippines isn't pre-dominately chritian is like saying Malaysia or Indonesia isn't pre-dominately muslim. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

Here is where I got my sources fromFACTS
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then our islands will remain disunified, the cultural and religious minorities have legitamate claim to more land area in the philippines. igorots ancestral land is a big chunk of luzon island.

the indigenous lumads ancestral land is a big chunk of midanao island and unconquered moros have claims to another chunk of mindanao and sulu archpielago and even palawan island is a moro accquired land.

if u dont want to acknowledge them as part of the nation as equal partners and equal representation fil-am, they will try to better themesleves and fight to have their own nation so they will not be seen as "second class citizens" in their own ancestral lands.

so filipinos needs to recognize the philippines as a multi-cultural and mult-religious state bond together under the indigenous concept of brotherhood and nationalism.

fil-am u are going to destory nationalism and unity of the philippines. by promoting caste system.
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