Killing in the mountains of laos Options

[Zelnom]

^JB_Xyooj no longer post here. So, not much to say about him since he mostly got banned for trying to stir a riot in the Lao chat.

A couple points I'd like to make...

I guess it's matter of your experience with Hmong people. Some do claim Laos, some do not. The link below is a thread to this topic.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=11970

- Us Lao wouldn't truly understand the Hmong side unless we experience what they're going through 24/7 and understand their history/culture of why it's such a big deal. Thier reactions to the genocide is justifed, but blind hatred toward other innocent Lao folks is not - such as the case of JB_ Xyooj.

- The rumor of the Lao govt. exterminating the Hmong in the jungle is a result of them fighting on the US side during the Vietnam war, to stop the communist takeover of Laos. The extermination of the Hmong has little to do with them not belonging in Laos but of political agenda by the Lao govt. The govt. might be perhaps thinking, Hmong only tried to stop communism for their Hmong way of life only, and almost prevented the Lao govt. commuist plan. Who knows? In addition, as Laos is very diverse (having 68+ ethnic groups), many of those tribes including the Hmongs came when the past King in Laos were tolerant of allowing different tribes to settle in Laos, particularly in the moutains.

This post has been edited by Zelnom: Oct 11 2005, 02:43 AM

[Reagan]

is it that hmong rebels attack tourist and innocent laos people?
vice versa in a way if its all true

[crew]

I've always viewed both Hmongs and Laotians as gentle and polite people, at least the ones I've encountered in life. I never knew there was such animosity between the two.

[Savan]

I've always viewed both Hmongs and Laotians as gentle and polite people, at least the ones I've encountered in life. I never knew there was such animosity between the two.

hmm I'm Lao myself but I don't have anything against Hmong people...besides, my Hmong friends are also cool with me. We get along just fine. There's no hatred or anything. But I do realize that there are Lao and Hmong people who don't like one another, which is definitely a shame...I think people just need to be more open-minded especially if you're living in the U.S. Don't judge someone based on his or her ethnicity.

And oh, I forgot to mention that Hmong people (the ones born in Laos) can also be considered Laotian since Laotian is just a nationality.

This post has been edited by Savan: Oct 12 2005, 05:13 PM

[Reagan]

the laos and hmong people that hate one another are just idiots, they think they have pride in there people or something by hating others, lol

[Happy Asian]

I've heard about this last year, the Laotian army is often on the pursuit of Hmong tribes in the jungles. In the 1970s, after Vietnam and Laos signed a friendship treaty, the Vietnamese government even send special forces and air force to help the Laotians bombed the Hmongs.

I'm really glad that the two countries are close friend, but it saddens me that our country help Laos to kill the Hmongs.

[Reagan]

Happy Asian, also hmong rebels attack innocent laos people but I cant confirm it with hard evidence, its vice versa both sides dont know what the hell is going on

[aZnRiCeChiQ]

I wrote a paper that was related to this for my english class. It sucks, so I'm not going to share it.

Anyway, what's going on as of right now? It's the same really. On Wednesday the 12th, 43 Hmong families surrendered to the Lao government because they didn't have any food and they needed medical care.

That didn't really explain anything.

[photonicism]

YES I MEAN LAO IS SO MISTUP NOW MAN...I NEVER IMAGINE WHY THEY WERE THINKING WHEN THEY KILLED THEIR OWN ROYAL FAMILIES..WAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING? ITS SUCH AN HONOR FOR A NATION TO HAVE KINGS AND QUEENS AND THE HELL THEY DO? THEY KILL THEM DURING THE VIET NAM WAR

[khonlao]

did we mention that guy who was part of the royal lao family was not full lao he was half vietnamese on his fathers side(vc's) that is how we fell apart cause of him that is why we have a civil war cause he was more influence by his father who was vietnamese i forgot his name but that man should be looked as a traitor i have nothing against normal vietnamese people but i do hate vc's cause they caused alot of issue into our homes those who support lao dang should not consider them self lao because they are the benderd!ck arnold of all lao people we lao people over seas are more lao than the government of lao because we still adore lanxang no matter how far we are away from home we will always love our kingdom u guys ever seen lao government they dont even look like khonlao thats is why i am so fustrated we have aliens controlling our country and people i think for now on if we ever get our kingdom back the king has to be full blooded lao descent just like our prince that is heir to the throne he is real lao just like me

[photonicism]

did we mention that guy who was part of the royal lao family was not full lao he was half vietnamese on his fathers side(vc's) that is how we fell apart cause of him that is why we have a civil war cause he was more influence by his father who was vietnamese i forgot his name but that man should be looked as a traitor i have nothing against normal vietnamese people but i do hate vc's cause they caused alot of issue into our homes those who support lao dang should not consider them self lao because they are the benderd!ck arnold of all lao people we lao people over seas are more lao than the government of lao because we still adore lanxang no matter how far we are away from home we will always love our kingdom u guys ever seen lao government they dont even look like khonlao thats is why i am so fustrated we have aliens controlling our country and people i think for now on if we ever get our kingdom back the king has to be full blooded lao descent just like our prince that is heir to the throne he is real lao just like me

that is so true and even now i bet there is still vietnamese control loas and monitoring every moves of the government...

[Happy Asian]

Militarily, Laos depend on Vietnam for support but it doesn't mean Vietnam control them.

[yajthaugluv]

Here's something interesting for those of you who does not believe a thing is going on up in the mountains. For more information feel free to go here,

http://www.factfinding.org/Past_News_Releases/page95.html

[southernstar]

Why isn't the Vietnamese government persecuting the Hmongs in Vietnam? Are the Vietnamese soldiers mercenaries for the Laotian military?


Do you think the Hmongs deserves for what they did in the Vietnam War?

[yajthaugluv]

Is it okay to declare that war is over than you secretly butcher people in vengeance? The Vietnamese are not mercinaries, it was more of a joint operation. Vietnam is denying these allegations in their involvement. Vietnam has no problem with the hmong people who are in Vietnam, those hmong has no connection to the hmong in Laos. But anyone having anything to do with christianity are prosecuted and are torchured.

[southernstar]

Is it okay to declare that war is over than you secretly butcher people in vengeance? The Vietnamese are not mercinaries, it was more of a joint operation. Vietnam is denying these allegations in their involvement. Vietnam has no problem with the hmong people who are in Vietnam, those hmong has no connection to the hmong in Laos. But anyone having anything to do with christianity are prosecuted and are torchured.

Well the Hmongs in Vietnam sided with the US in the Vietnam War, so you would naturally anticipate retaliation from the government. However, it has not been the case. I believe the persecuted Christians are those who demand certain rights from the government, the rights of which not even ethnic Vietnamese enjoys at the moment.

As for vengeance, governments do it all the time. Just look at a democratic country like the US and the various operations carried out by the CIA.

[yajthaugluv]

Is it okay to declare that war is over than you secretly butcher people in vengeance? The Vietnamese are not mercinaries, it was more of a joint operation. Vietnam is denying these allegations in their involvement. Vietnam has no problem with the hmong people who are in Vietnam, those hmong has no connection to the hmong in Laos. But anyone having anything to do with christianity are prosecuted and are torchured.

Well the Hmongs in Vietnam sided with the US in the Vietnam War, so you would naturally anticipate retaliation from the government. However, it has not been the case. I believe the persecuted Christians are those who demand certain rights from the government, the rights of which not even ethnic Vietnamese enjoys at the moment.

As for vengeance, governments do it all the time. Just look at a democratic country like the US and the various operations carried out by the CIA.

Where have you been? There is no hmong in vietnam who works for the CIA. They supported the NVA. So that gives them the right to commit atrocities?

[Happy Asian]

What Vietnamese military is doing in Laos is wrong and I think the government should stop completely.

[yajthaugluv]

They are denying it, how are they going to stop something that they lied to the world. Vietnam should face sanction along with Laos.

[Happy Asian]

What do you have against Vietnam and Laos?