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Philippines: Wealthiest Nation on Earth?, Following Shambhalista's Dubai Philippine gold
azaz
post Oct 26 2009, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE (taolander @ Oct 22 2009, 02:14 AM) *
if this is supposed to be the Mackoy's Gold, i am amazed that nobody from Ilocos is being granted anything, but maybe the already got enough from him laugh.gif

no names that ring a bell, more like a forgotten friend.

It is Santa Romana's gold, as far as it can be traced back, then it branches up to supposed Filipino royalties, mainly, the Tagean royalty, Sultanate of Sulu, etc. Ex-Pres. Marcos was said to be the lawyer of Severino Santa Romana, aka, Jose Antonio Diaz, and got commission from his work. I read from a biography of the former First Lady that when they were newly wed (Marcos was still a Senator that time), she was amazed of the sacks and sacks of money Marcos had all around their bungalow in San Juan. Marcos would just dip his hand in one of the sacks to get Php 5,000 for his supporters at a time when average monthly wage was just around Php 300. I think he did get his commission from Santa Romana and some report say meybe more. As I posted earlier, in 2005, an American agent exposed in international media 900 billion USD Swiss account linking to the ex-Pres. Marcos. Philippine debt is just around 90 billion USD. I hope you share more of what you got Taolander because you do have more. We live in a kind of financial "Matrix" and people need to read more of what is going on outside this matrix that only few people like you are seeing.

Below is a 1997 article from Malaya newspaper on Marcos wealth:
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Malaya (10/03/97)
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Suggested Subhead: "Ferdinand said with a straight face that in fact he was because he had discovered Yama$hita's treasure."
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Marcos' Gold Hoard
by Ducky Paredes

The trouble with the Marcos millions is that it has been gone over too many times with a fine-toothed comb and everyone of those who have done so have come up with different versions of what it was the Marcos held.
How big was it? The estimates vary. The smallest estimate places the total at about $5.0 billion.
Enrique Zobel says that in Hawaii, Ferdinand Marcos tried to borrow $250 million from him. For payment, Marcos had his nurse bring out a folder of gold certificates for gold stored in various banks all over the world -- Switzerland, Monaco, the Vatican, the Bahamas -- with a total value of about $ 35 billion.
Former Governor Orlando Dulay told the PCGG's David Castro that Marcos had found and dug up $ 40 billion in gold.
From Marcos himself, when he was trying to come home, came the offer to return $15 billion to the Philippine government -- $5.0 billion to be spent for infrastructure projects, $5.0 billion to service the Philippine debt, then at $27 billion and $5.0 billion to the Aquino family for their sufferings during Martial Law.
Later, he revised the amount he was offering to return downwards to $5.0 billion. Then President Cory Aquino's answer must have turned off Marcos because the deal never prospered. She said that Marcos should first return the money; then, with the money already in the Philippines, they could talk terms.
In fact, Marcos indicated that the amount he was talking of returning was actually in the Philippines, buried in some secret site. If this is so, then, the money that we think is in Switzerland is additional treasure.
The Swiss bank accounts started in March 1968, the third year of Marcos in power. Walter Fessler, a representative of Credit Suisse Bank, went to Malacanang where the President signed a form that identified one account under the pseudonym of "William Saunders" under the real name signature of Ferdinand Marcos. Imelda's was "Jane Ryan." At that time, four bank accounts were opened with four checks, totaling $950,000.
In 1991, David Castro of the PCGG announced that 325 tons of gold had been smuggled out of the country during the Martial Law years and that these were on deposit in a bonded warehouse at the Kloten Airport in Switzerland. The gold was stored in the basement of the airport, right under where departing and arriving passengers pass.
At that time, the Philippine government had already identified several accounts of the Marcoses. These were sixty-three corporate accounts, seventeen under foundations and twenty-two secret accounts. As far as the Swiss bankers were concerned, they admitted only to $350 million on deposit with them.
Castro identified two additional secret bank accounts of the Marcoses that had, in them, $1.3 billion. Castro's source was the controversial Renner Jacobi, who had been working with the PCGG since 1988 with Chairman Mateo Caparas, who brought him into the agency.
In the course of the investigation into the account by the Swiss courts which had been asked by the PCGG to put a freeze on the new accounts that Renner discovered, Jacobi admitted that his associates had broken into the computers of Credit Suisse and, there, retrieved the information on the hitherto hidden accounts. From that moment on, Jacobi became a hunted man.
His last known dealing with the PCGG was when, under arrest in Hongkong, Jacobi was abandoned by his friend David Castro.
In 1993, Jacobi again revealed to Chairman Magtanggol Gunigundo that Imelda Marcos had signed a power of attorney appointing one Jose T. Calderon to "negotiate, transact, withdraw, transfer, sell or otherwise deal" on anything that is on deposit under her name with banks in Switzerland.
The current new revelation of an additional $13 billion in another Swiss bank apparently also has Jacobi as one of the operators who discovered this, again, obviously through computer hacking.
Is there really a Marcos hoard of gold and/or dollars in Switzerland or elsewhere? Does Jacobi really have anything or, as the Malaya theorized in an editorial, is this all fool's gold?
The former President, after a golf game, once shocked the reporters in Malacanang when, asked about being a rich man, Ferdinand said with a straight face that in fact he was because he had discovered Yama$hita's treasure. The reporters were expecting that Marcos would come up with a punchline since this was, to them, obviously a joke. Marcos never gave the expected punchline and, straight-faced, went on his way.
Maybe, that was the punchline.
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Diretsahan. I also have a book from Senator Vicente Sotto which he has personally dedicated to me. I also have books with handwritten dedications to them from Senators Juan Flavier and Juan Ponce Enrile, President Fidel Ramos and Secretary Victor Ramos, among many more.
Yet, despite these, I would like to state for the record that none of these gentlemen ought to be held responsible, from having dedicated their books to me, for whatever I write in my columns. In fact, for most of them, except for the hand-written dedication on their books, I actually have very little to do with these gentlemen and they with me.

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post Oct 26 2009, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE (azaz @ Oct 26 2009, 08:17 PM) *
We live in a kind of financial "Matrix" and people need to read more of what is going on outside this matrix that only few people like you are seeing.

Another apt description will be living inside a financial "bubble" ready to burst. As many people(behaving like sheep) seem to equate "Stock Market" as the economy. So when they see that the market stabilise or in the upswing, 'let the good times roll' or 'we have better days ahead' is what they see.

What made it worse is the decision of the Obama administration(Obama following the advice of his Quackonomics Illuminati embarassedlaugh.gif) to pump trillions of dollars/mo to bail out the speculative or gambling or derivative debts instead of declaring bankruptcy for those banking institutions or simply writing off the debts as provided in their constitution's bankruptcy provisions. Expect for hyperinflation, as the speculators will increase the prices of oil, gold etc. The Human livestock will be bled to cachexia for the insatiable appetites of these Financial vampires.

If the BSP(Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas) didn't print more pesos to stabilise the falling dollar, we could have by now 10-20 pesos per dollar as the exchange rate. The rationale of BSP for them to print more pesos is to prevent an avalanche of OFW's coming home and therefore an increase in unemployment as the Gov't cant provide more jobs.

China and Russia(the Gog and Magog accdg to the British-Israelists) are wise converting these huge amounts of pumped out dollars to actual Physical infrastructures creating a better Physical economies. While Tony Blair is getting excited to be installed as Emperor of the United States of Europe. laugh.gif

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post Oct 27 2009, 03:07 AM
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so, if we are talking about the "financial matrix" i recently read on a forum ( no link, the threads are deleted after a time) that somebody was talking about a mysterious Philippine Hedge Fund connected to the Wall Street that owed money to both the Chinese & American Governments and that it will cause crash at 9:00 AM on the 27th of September. I don't know how these people come up with these crazy predictions, they say its about a web bot or something. embarassedlaugh.gif

trismegistos, it looks like a race to the bottom for everyone. Political changes will follow, so the EU will have its President and the USA be under some kind of "mild" martial law. embarassedlaugh.gif

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post Oct 31 2009, 04:41 AM
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Yes, that is far off, Taolander. I was hoping that you, Trismegistos, and others, noticed what I think excited Todd Alphine in reading that old article of Ducky Paredes: Marcos indicated that the amount he was talking of returning was actually in the Philippines, buried in some secret site. According to an article of Prescilla Almeida of Manila Bulletin some years ago, these sites are guarded by ex-Military and NPA of about 12 mall-size bunkers scattered all over the Philippines and just waiting for the right time. And if the right time is when the world turns to gold standard, then I think the Philippines won't really be pushed to the bottom.

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post Oct 31 2009, 11:44 PM
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BULL$hit !! Philippines is the WEALTHIEST in patriotism and family values
but not Lietrally. If you mean by Natural Resources I would say Canada - oil
Brazil - oil, Russia - oil&gas,gold.
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QUOTE (trismegistos @ Oct 26 2009, 11:16 PM) *
Another apt description will be living inside a financial "bubble" ready to burst. As many people(behaving like sheep) seem to equate "Stock Market" as the economy. So when they see that the market stabilise or in the upswing, 'let the good times roll' or 'we have better days ahead' is what they see.

What made it worse is the decision of the Obama administration(Obama following the advice of his Quackonomics Illuminati embarassedlaugh.gif) to pump trillions of dollars/mo to bail out the speculative or gambling or derivative debts instead of declaring bankruptcy for those banking institutions or simply writing off the debts as provided in their constitution's bankruptcy provisions. Expect for hyperinflation, as the speculators will increase the prices of oil, gold etc. The Human livestock will be bled to cachexia for the insatiable appetites of these Financial vampires.

If the BSP(Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas) didn't print more pesos to stabilise the falling dollar, we could have by now 10-20 pesos per dollar as the exchange rate. The rationale of BSP for them to print more pesos is to prevent an avalanche of OFW's coming home and therefore an increase in unemployment as the Gov't cant provide more jobs.

China and Russia(the Gog and Magog accdg to the British-Israelists) are wise converting these huge amounts of pumped out dollars to actual Physical infrastructures creating a better Physical economies. While Tony Blair is getting excited to be installed as Emperor of the United States of Europe. laugh.gif


fu-k Tony blair, he's an imperialistic blood thirsty moron too bad he was turned down by the EU as a candidate for presidency
China holds US reserves in forms of bonds, China is getting rich at the same time buying up natural gas shares in Africa and Middle East
Greedy Chinese !!
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post Nov 6 2009, 09:40 PM
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Below are the recent series of postings by Sir Knight Arcane of some known personalities and their involvement in this Santa Romana issue:

5 Nov 2009 @ 15:14 by KNIGHT ARCANE @112.200.189.253 : WILLIAM V. MORALES ( CON MAN NO. 1)
I am posting this outside my lair since I am queing in one of the task that I hate so much so , to kill the time and set aside my boredome I want to answer some of the FACTS

FACTS: Wiliam V Morales , is said to be the son of Marcos from a Bulakenya woman before he met Imelda and even met this Carmen Ortega.

FICTION : everything that this William Morales is claiming is a complete fraud. His father was once a trusted servant of the mother of Ferdinand Marcos. and this Willia Morales known Marcos since he was a toddler adn was fond of him not because he is the son but due to the fact that his father served Ferdie Mother. with dedication and loyalty.

William Morales name was used by Marcos to mislead the General public during his exile. He manage to prints some Gold Bullion Certificate in Indonesia using his name as well as in Hongkong so that the Aquino Government and other MARCOS GOLD hunter will be diverted from thier attempt to hunt marcos Gold and planted on their thaught that MArcos trnasfered the Gold to William Morales. that is complete misconception. Inteligent people that know it will never ride that ploy. but TRicky and Greedy Military rode it in defferent way and uses that leverage to cash in from that GBC. and this William Morales upon knowing about those GBC jump into it.

FACTS : PRESIDENT FERDINAND MARCOS IN NOT THAT STUPID TO TRaNSFER THOSE GOLD INTO THAT PERSON. AND IF THAT HAPPENED THE IMF , THE WORLD BANK THE USA AND OTHER COUNTER CLAIMING THE GOLD INCLUDING THE 9 ASIAN COUNTRIES THAT FILED TO THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE OVER THIER RIGHTS TO THE GOLD. WILL JUST JUMP TO WILLIAM V. MORALES AND HOLD HIM AND PUT A KNIFE ON HIS TROATH.
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FACTS : IF WILLIAM V. MORALES GOLD IS REAL. HE CAN NOT WALK FIVE PACES OUTSIDE THE PHILIPPINES NOT BEING COERSED BY THE GOVERNMENT OR HE WILL BE KIDNAPPED BY BIG NAMES AND JUST LET HIM SIGN TO TRANSFER THOSE GOLD INTO OTHER NAME. WILLIAM MORALES CAN WOLK IN A DAYLIGHT AND CAN EVEN TRAVEL IN ANY COUNTRY WITHOUT BEING GIVEN ANY SPECIAL TREATMENT FROM THE IMMIGRATION ON WHATEVER COUNTRY HE TRAVELED. PEOPLE ARE JUST TOO STUPID TO BELEIVED ON HIM.

5 Nov 2009 @ 15:35 by KNIGHT ARCANE @112.200.189.253 : LITECIA RAMOS SHAHANNI


SHE WAS APREHENDED BUT NEVER BEEN JAILED. REMEMBER SHE WAS A FORMER SENATOR AND SISTER TO FORMER PRESDENT F V. RAMOS. SO TAIWAN WILL NEVER DO THAT TO A FORMER STATEMAN.

SHE WAS INVOLVED IN THE EMBEZLEMENT OF KNOWN CERTIFICATE , BUT NOT MORALES., THYE DO NOT NEEDED IT, FVR IN 1995 MANAGE TO RETURNED THE 100,TONS OF 12.5 KG BAR THAT WAS UNEARTHEND IN COTABATO THAT BELONG TO THE CAMBODIA TREASURY [link] THE GOLD WAS COMPLETELY RETUNRED TO THE GOVENMENT AND YOU KNOW THE LAW ON TREASURE HUNTING 25% WILL BE GIVEN TO THE FINDER AND THE 75% WILL BE TO THE OWNER. SO FVR WAS THE PRESIIDENT DURING THAT TIME AND HE BECAME AN INSTANT CELEBRITY WHEN HE BECAME THE FIRST ASIAN PRESIDENT TO VISIT THAT SOCIALIST STATE. AND WAS GIVEN A KINGLY WELCOME BY KING Norodom Sihanouk .

5 Nov 2009 @ 15:42 by KNIGHT ARCANE @112.200.189.253 : JC

FACTS : after the fall of marcos former congressman Jose Cojuangco of Tarlac indeed went to the SWISS BANK in switzerland and in Netherland to inquire the said ill gotten gold of Marcos. he was not arrested but he was hold for a few hours. ( less than 24 hours ) he is not representing himself as the owner based on the documents that he brought, but due to his stupidity those documents are now in the hadns of the Swiss Banker. JC is a greedy man he never think it first, just jump into it.

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As for the Ang Bagong Lipunan (ABLs) gold certificates, Renascimento might like to know that its redemption is now blocked. Only Severino Garcia Santa Romana or Jose Antonio Diaz certificate of deposits are accepted by international banks.
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As for SG20, you mentioned patriotism but you look up to Canada, etc. Also Family Values but you are very comfortable with ranting and cursing.
I guess I'll stick to the words of the likes of Ducky Paredes of Malaya Newspaper, Priscilla Almeida of Maniila Bulletin, Fr. Marcelino Tagle. ex-Head of Caritas Manila and Ten Outstanding Young Man awardee, Don Enrique Zobel, not to mention, Renascimento, Taolander, Trismegistos, Suzuka, Islander, Shambalista, Chelemasty, Taybenco, Todd Alphine, Knight Arcane, all of them who continue to give wealth of information.

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I think the Philippines is a rich country if its money is used properly and manage properly....having war cost us much and having corrupt politician cost huge....if only we have a government that's not corrupt and used money/resources properly then we are rich

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post Nov 10 2009, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE (shirleytravis @ Nov 10 2009, 05:55 AM) *
I think the Philippines is a rich country if its money is used properly and manage properly....having war cost us much and having corrupt politician cost huge....if only we have a government that's not corrupt and used money/resources properly then we are rich

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wrong... if you are right, then we would have high per capita....
why people just can't accept the fact that we are a poor country and
always blame the government. how can the country reach its potential
when most of our resources are still untap due to lack of investments..
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post Nov 12 2009, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE (shirleytravis @ Nov 10 2009, 05:55 AM) *
I think the Philippines is a rich country if its money is used properly and manage properly....having war cost us much and having corrupt politician cost huge....if only we have a government that's not corrupt and used money/resources properly then we are rich

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Welcome Shirley. Try to read to this link when you have time. It may be long but it's worth it.

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It is true Red Baron that there are still resources in the Philippines that remain untapped like Deuterium in the Philippine deep. The center of the center of Marine diversity in the world is that narrow strait between Batangas and Mindoro but we throw garbage on it. Per capita income is never a measure of the human and natural resources of a country. It is gage of how a nation manages its resources.

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QUOTE (SG20 @ Oct 31 2009, 11:48 PM) *
fu-k Tony blair, he's an imperialistic blood thirsty moron too bad he was turned down by the EU as a candidate for presidency
China holds US reserves in forms of bonds, China is getting rich at the same time buying up natural gas shares in Africa and Middle East
Greedy Chinese !!

We can relate with Han Chinese but I think we don't know how to strategize, the chinese assimilated their colonizers such as the manchu and the chinese regained their true identity...

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Bangko Sentral cited for purity of its gold bars
By Paolo S. Romero (The Philippine Star) Updated August 25, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP) got the recognition and accreditation of the influential London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) for the purity of the gold bars the BSP produces, officials said yesterday.

Monetary Board member Ignacio Bunye said the BSP, which is in charge of refining Philippine gold to be sold to the international market, got the good news of the LBMA last May 28. The BSP has its gold refinery at its Security Plant Complex in Quezon City.

The LBMA periodically certifies a list of refineries around the world that produce good quality gold.

Bunye quoted Dr. Paterson Encabo, deputy director of the BSP department of general services, as saying that the Bank’s gold refinery had passed the LBMA’s “proactive monitoring gold assaying test.”

“The BSP, Encabo said, continues to be included in the LBMA-accredited Good Delivery List (GDL),” Bunye said.

“This means that if we say that our gold has a purity of 99.5 percent, the international market accepts it at face value,” Bunye said quoting Encabo.

More importantly being on the LBMA’s list means that those who buy BSP-refined gold bars trust their quality, he said.

Encabo said the London Gold Market, the precursor of LBMA, first recognized the then Central Bank of the Philippines refinery as an acceptable melter and assayer of “good delivery” bars in September 1979.

Good delivery bars are the final output of the refining process, which involves the separation of gold from other elements such as silver and base metals, and the casting of the refined gold into bars, Bunye said.

He said 1979 was the start of the then Central Bank’s gold refinery’s operations and that the Philippines was then among only three countries in Asia recognized by the London Gold Market

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Thank you higaynon for that information. 1979, yes, it meant we had significant gold for a refinery. Court Documents say that 617,500 metric tons of gold backed the Central Bank of the Philippines in 1949. In today's current gold price, that is more than 18 Trillion US dollars.
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QUOTE (azaz @ Nov 15 2009, 06:25 AM) *
Thank you higaynon for that information. 1979, yes, it meant we had significant gold for a refinery. Court Documents say that 617,500 metric tons of gold backed the Central Bank of the Philippines in 1949. In today's current gold price, that is more than 18 Trillion US dollars.
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OPHIR

o'-fer, o'-fir ('owphiyr (Genesis 10:29), 'owphir (1 Kings 10:11), 'ophir):

1. Scriptural References:

The 11th in order of the sons of Joktan (Genesis 10:29 equals 1 Chronicles 1:23). There is a clear reference also to a tribe Ophir (Genesis 10:30). Ophir is the name of a land or city somewhere to the South or Southeast of Palestine for which Solomon's ships along with Phoenician vessels set out from Ezion-geber at the head of the Gulf of Aqabah, returning with great stores of gold, precious stones and "almug"-wood (1 Kings 9:28; 1 Kings 10:11 2 Chronicles 9:10 1 Kings 22:48 2 Chronicles 8:18). We get a fuller list of the wares and also the time taken by the voyage if we assume that the same vessels are referred to in 1 Kings 10:22, "Once every three years came the navy of Tarshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks." The other products may not have been native to the land of Ophir, but it is certain that the gold at least was produced there. This gold was proverbial for its purity, as is witnessed by many references in the Old Testament (Psalm 45:9 Job 28:16 Isaiah 13:12 1 Chronicles 29:4), and, in Job 22:24, Ophir is used for fine gold itself. In addition to these notices of Ophir, it is urged that the name. occurs also in two passages under the form "Uphaz" (Jeremiah 10:9 Daniel 10:5).



Hi sir,


Since our gold as one of the best quality...It further clarifies that we are the true Ophir,right? Since the Gold in Ophir is the finest/pure according to scriptures.



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QUOTE (higaynon @ Nov 15 2009, 10:59 AM) *
Hi sir,


Since our gold as one of the best quality...It further clarifies that we are the true Ophir,right? Since the Gold in Ophir is the finest/pure according to scriptures.

In fact Luzon's true name is Gintu which translates to gold in english allot of the gold is still in cordilleras,the cordillerans should never allow foreigners to get our gold.....

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QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ Nov 15 2009, 05:32 PM) *
In fact Luzon's true name is Gintu which translates to gold in english allot of the gold is still in cordilleras,the cordillerans should never allow foreigners to get our gold.....

Pulo ng Ginto not just
Ginto:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4373171

Everywhere in the Philippines there were lots of Gold, those who are into mining or even geologists or archeologists say that there was even a mountain of Gold literally speaking just covered with a few layers of rocks and soil. You don't need to go even that far, even in Rizal, Bulacan, Zamabales, etc. Where there is copper, there is gold. Many miners are exporting Sand which is inexpensive. Which will then be purified into Gold in the outside countries. Tricking our Gov't and our people.
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I think it has been open season for any powerful country or person to get Philippine gold. But the sad part, they are not even grateful to our country, even denying that gold comes from the Philippines, denigrating the Filipino and pushing most of our mind in a place where thoughts of being poor and hopelessness only exist. As for Ophir, yes I am aware of that, but I think we need more historical records to establish Ophir as the Philippines we know now. Suzuka and Trimegistos are the people of authority on this matter. Their research on the pre-colonial Philippines is a wealth. I hope people download what they are sharing for it is hard to find them, in libraries, or internet sites. As I have said before, this issue about Philippine gold should be a matter of national interest. But it is not even if it should be. That is why we have no other recourse but to discuss in this open forum...which I think has been better. More people have shared and read. View on this topic is now over 19,000 started April. That is amazing considering that this is an often shunned and not a light topic. Thank you everyone.

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I think it has been open season for any powerful country or person to get Philippine gold. But the sad part, they are not even grateful to our country, even denying that gold comes from the Philippines, denigrating the Filipino and pushing most of our mind in a place where thoughts of being poor and hopelessness only exist. As for Ophir, yes I am aware of that, but I think we need more historical records to establish Ophir as the Philippines we know now. Suzuka and Trimegistos are the people of authority on this matter. Their research on the pre-colonial Philippines is a wealth. I hope people download what they are sharing for it is hard to find them, in libraries, or internet sites. As I have said before, this issue about Philippine gold should be a matter of national interest. But it is not even if it should be. That is why we have no other recourse but to discuss in this open forum...which I think has been better. More people have shared and read. View on this topic is now over 19,000 started April. That is amazing considering that this is an often shunned and not a light topic. Thank you everyone.

We are strategic to western powers that is why the americans and spanish colonized us the problem is that we have elites that are sell outs.....
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post Nov 20 2009, 12:53 PM
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hm, it would be nice to see some absolute numbers of the gold mined from the Philippines during the spanish & american colonial eras... other than relying on some dubious calculations by mr. & mrs seagraves in their book on the japanese loot from China & SEA, and secret depression era deposits from europeans, americans, vatican etc. btw that "upintelligence" site is very interesting, presenting those weird certificates and the history of Pres. Laurel intentions. seems that the Mackoy's role is made to be more than it was. last thing i heard was that somebody was presenting a bond for 500 million a so-called "Kennedy bond" with a picture of JFK and a space shuttle blasting off (sic!), but i cannot fault scammers for their often brilliant sense of humor LOL. anyway, regarding all these gold stories, if somebody is preparing a new gold backed or new pm standard, i have read the musings a Jacques Rueff, who was planning for the pan-european currency in the 1960s, but i think that plan ultimately failed since instead of revaluing the gold price all it achieved was that the IMF took control of everything. maybe it would be quite rational if the gold price were at 5000 but i seriously doubt that some banks will allow that to happen, not to speak of various governments. embarassedlaugh.gif

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post Nov 20 2009, 10:27 PM
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According to some sources, the gold stored during Spanish and American times at Fort Santiago for safekeeping was 720,000 metric tons. This was eventually moved to other places for safekeeping especially in view of World War II. After the war, 617,500 metric tons backed the Central Bank of the Philippines in 1949 according to Pasay City Court document. You can read more from this link from Manuel Quezon III: http://www.quezon.ph/2006/03/28/political-...sm-in-thailand/

Now where are we going with all these bits of information? Ex-priest Fr. Marcelino Tagle, in his appearance on a Senate Blue Ribbon Committee hearing on Oct 14, 1999 (or 1997) seemed to mention that some gold stored in Swiss Banks are marked "People Of the Philippines". Now, if those markings are not erased yet, then the most logical claimant for those bullion is the government of the Republic of the Philippines. Estimates from different sources say that 80,000 metric tons were allotted to the people of the Philippines. In today's dollar value, that is 2.4 Trillion US dollars (2,400 Billion US dollars) more than enough to pay the $90,000 Billion Philippine debt. I guess the first step is find Fr. Marcelino Tagle and put the Philippine claim back on track. But where is Fr. Marcelino Tagle? Ex-head of Caritas Manila and TOYM awardee.

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