Laos provinces, similarities with khmer Options

[ChuonCheat_Khmer]

i noticed that there are many lao provinces that almost have the same spellings and soundings as khmer names.

take for example:
Savannakhet
Saravan
Champassak
Nakhon Rhanom
Bokeo


there's probably more.. for example Savannakhet in khmer literally translates to Golden Province or Golden Dream Province. let's see what dara has to say about this. i sorta have a clue what those other lao provinces i listed mean but let's see what dara has to say first. he seems to be knowledgeble in laotian/thai/khmer words transliteration.

also, is it me or does laos seem to share more similar words with khmer than thai and khmer?

This post has been edited by ChuonCheat_Khmer: Oct 15 2004, 09:38 PM

[yajthaugluv]

Same with Thai too! Somewhat related it in away.

[Ai lao]

It is Pali and sansakit language. we use a lot of Pali and sasakit words.
Laos is like Thailand. there is a Buddhist culture and language influenced.
I found this from Thai forum.It is a great imformation to anwser your question. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)
If you want to know more about Buddhist culture and language in Thai and Laos.
please click the link below. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20553

Buddhism in the Thai Kingdom

Buddhism as a movement in Thailand had always undergone various developments and obstacles side by side with the situation of the country that patronized it. Generally speaking, when the country is peaceful and safe from outward enemies, the Buddha light is aglow and the study and practice of Buddhism is always encouraged by the public as well as by the king or rulers. But when the country is on the decline, although the spirit of Buddhism - the Buddha light within - may still be singing in the hearts of the people, Buddhism as a movement is inevitably more or less affected. The teaching of history of Buddhism in Thailand is therefore not possible without referring to the periods when each dynasty ruled over the country and when the capital was moved generally southward for the sake of safety and convenience.

The “Ai-Lao” Period

The “Ai-Lao” Kingdom of the Thais in the province of Yunnan, so far as we learn from history, was founded in the fifth Buddhist century and in the following century Buddhism was believed to reach China. Meanwhile one of the Thai Kings of the “Ai-Lao”, called Khun Luang Mao, (there were at that time several independent tribes of the Thais) was known to have formally declared himself as a Buddhist. This was the first Thai ruler who made himself known as upholder of Buddhism, which was presumably a Sankayana rather than a Mahayana. But whether it was really the Theravada school or not is still an unsettled question (the Sankayana was, from its history in Pali and Sanskrit texts, sub-divided into 18 smaller groups).

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This post has been edited by Ai lao: Oct 25 2004, 12:58 PM

[ChuonCheat_Khmer]

no offense bro, but it seems like some laotians like to associate themselves with the thais. i know that both people are related but there are differences and lao is a separate identity from thai.

[Ai lao]

no offense bro, but it seems like some laotians like to associate themselves with the thais. i know that both people are related but there are differences and lao is a separate identity from thai.

That was a brainwash practical from FRENCH to try to separated laos people from Thai people in the age of colony hunting.The FRENCH try to rain the seeds of disunited all over the region. becuase it gonna be easy to hold the country by claimming that they came here for help Laos people to liberate. they was poisoned Laos and Thai. Even now that seeds is grows up to be a cancer,and It always destroy the relationship between the two countries. make peoples hate and suspiciously to each others. even Laos government still believe in Vietnam's leader more than Thailand just becuase Vietnam is a communism as well...anyway Laos and Thai are relative, we have the same root and we are all from TAI tribe . (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Ai lao: Oct 25 2004, 02:32 PM

[Xai]

I don't know much about the Khmer language, but I do know that I can understand Lao since the grammar, vocabulary is very very similar to Thai. However, there are slight differences, like:

Lao -> Thai
sao = yee-sip [twenty]
bpien = bplien [change]
sok = nok [bird]
honghien = rongrien [school]

Basically, Thai's N is changed to S, R is changed to H, and while we have an extra consonant for stuff like bplien [change] and dtriem [prepare] the L and the R are just omitted in spelling. So it simplifies to just bpien and dtiem.

Aside from that, the Lao alphabet has a similar alphabet with the Thai alphabet. Both start with kgoh kgai. There's also similar meaniing attached to some letters, like kho khwai and au aang. Few things that change are like, Lao has "noh nok" [bird] while we have "noh noo" [mouse].

Pretty much, although Thai is similar to Lao, the Lao language is plain and simple, while Thai is much concentrated on sounding pretty, proper, and is complicated. XD

[dalawapo]

no offense bro, but it seems like some laotians like to associate themselves with the thais. i know that both people are related but there are differences and lao is a separate identity from thai.

That was a brainwash practical from FRENCH to try to separated laos people from Thai people in the age of colony hunting.The FRENCH try to rain the seeds of disunited all over the region. becuase it gonna be easy to hold the country by claimming that they came here for help Laos people to liberate. they was poisoned Laos and Thai. Even now that seeds is grows up to be a cancer,and It always destroy the relationship between the two countries. make peoples hate and suspiciously to each others. even Laos government still believe in Vietnam's leader more than Thailand just becuase Vietnam is a communism as well...anyway Laos and Thai are relative, we have the same root and we are all from TAI tribe . (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)

I Admire this person's words! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) thje same thing happen to my people. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_sad.gif) except in my country we are "malay tribe" but are divided by those who were conquered and those who were unconquered, those who were christianized and those who remained proud muslim/pagans. those who are skin whitening wannabes/mestizos and those who are natural tan skin with beautiful malay features.

This post has been edited by dalawapo: Oct 25 2004, 10:41 PM

[Point_Dexter]

Is the Lao seperation from Thai really French Colonial Brainwash?

I don't think so! With out the French, Laos would be apart of Siam, just like how Issan is now apart of Thailand.

If the Thai's were really the realive of the Lao, they sould atleast attempt to liberate the Lao from VN occupency.

But it all comes down to this:
Some Thais don't see "Thai" as a nationality, they confuse it for "Tai."

Lao people are Tai, but they are not Thai, therefore thay have a seperate identity.

This post has been edited by Point_Dexter: Oct 27 2004, 07:01 PM

[Dara]

ChonCheatKhmer, Lao does share these words with Khmer, but these words are also in Thai too. It's mostly from Pali words, like Ai Lo said. The first part of your screen name, Chon Cheat is Khmer, Thai and I think Lao say Chon Chat.

One thing unusual about Lao is that it does not always preserve letters used in the words they borrowed from Pali like Khmer or Thai does. The Lao alphabet has fewer consonants than modern Khmer and modern Thai. There are similarities here and there, somethings that Thai and Lao has, Khmer does not have. And some things that Lao and Khmer has, Thai does not have. Thai does not use any subscript, but Lao kept two ancient that Khmer has for the letter Yo and Lo.

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This post has been edited by Dara: Oct 27 2004, 08:30 PM

[Point_Dexter]

^You explained it better then my dad.. way to go Dara.

[Ai lao]

I said siam(Thai) and lao are relative.and Laos and Siam (Thai) are in Tai ethnic group as well
becuase the Thai, they speak Tai language (sought accent) but Laos(Southwestern accent).
Tai language family, a group of related languages spoken in Thailand, Laos, Burma
(by the Shan ethnic group), sought of China and northern Vietnamand if you speak Tai language
you can communicate with EVERY Tai ethnics group.Like Thai and Laos can communicate and
understand each other, No Interpreter.even with Tai dam,Tai kao,Tai aew laai,Tai daeng in Vietnam
Tai lue,Tai kuen, Tai yong in Burma and China even Tai ahom in India. and many more.

when I got a trip in Yenan China with my Thai friend.we met a Chinese guy who has Tai-lue lineage
and can speak Tai very well. I spoke Lao and my friend spoke Thai that Chinese guy spoke Tai-lue
but we can communicated I can understand what they said more than 60-70%, That was amazing. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by Ai lao: Oct 28 2004, 11:15 AM

[PtrckHri]

Xai:

Lao people has always called bird "nok" and not "sok". Where did that word "sok" come from?

[Ai lao]

I don't think so!  With out the French, Laos would be apart of Siam, just like how Issan is now apart of Thailand.

sounds like Do you think that Laos people have to say Thanks for the FRENCH?
lol..No way (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_twisted.gif)

If the Thai's were really the realive of the Lao, they sould atleast attempt to liberate the Lao from VN occupency.

That is the same question that China and Taiwan are relative but why they can't unite.

But it all comes down to this:
Some Thais don't see "Thai" as a nationality, they confuse it for "Tai."

Lao people are Tai, but they are not Thai, therefore thay have a seperate identity.

do you have any imformation to show about the Thais are confuse for "Tai."?
I really want to see (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif)

I was talk about the ETHNIC. Thai (siam) and Laos are relative becuase they come frome the same root
(Tai ethnic group) they are speak the Tai langugae.they can read or speak and understand between the two countries. they have a similar cultures and belief. they are all the same in behavior.Even in ethnology Thai and Lao are all have the same type of haemoglobin type E in their blood.

yes, Laos is not THAI (tai people who live in Thailand) but Laos is Tai (Tai ethnic group) the same as
the Thai (tai people who live in Thailand) is Tai. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

like I said before hatred and war are enough for our country.If some lao people hate to the Thai and try to bursting them on internet. That is nothing for our country, why don't keep it in mind and going back to try to develop our country and trying to be better than today or even can surpass the Thai, it is more right. do you agree? (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by Ai lao: Oct 28 2004, 11:36 AM

[Xai]

Xai:

Lao people has always called bird "nok" and not "sok". Where did that word "sok" come from?

Really? I've heard some Lao people change what the Thai use for n to s...

Like, I've heard some Lao people ask me "bpai sai?" So, I assumed that you guys transposed the N to an S sound. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/eek.gif)

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First one looks like poh pan "พ"
The second one, the one that the Khmer letter changes to lo ling "ล" That Khmer letter looks like yoh ying "ญ"

This post has been edited by Xai: Oct 28 2004, 07:34 PM

[Dara]

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First one looks like poh pan "พ"
The second one, the one that the Khmer letter changes to lo ling "ล" That Khmer letter looks like yoh ying "ญ"

Oops! That's not "Yor" in Khmer..it's actually Khor (Thai equivalent is Khar Rakhang).
Below is the real Yor, notice the circle goes inside to the right.
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[PtrckHri]

Xai:

The "bpai sai" in lao and "bpai nai" in thai is an exception. Otherwise, if the lao change most thai words with an N to an S, then you would have something like "nam" in thai to "sam" in lao. However, in both thai and lao, nam is water, and sam (saam) is three. The most frequent change from thai to lao is R to H, i.e. Rak (love) in thai is Hak in lao, or Ruu (know) in thai is Huu in lao, and so on. Also, in many lao words, R or L is usually deleted, i.e. plaa (fish) in thai is paa in lao, prachason (people) in thai is pasason in lao, and so on. Also in lao, words beginning with S, X, or Ch, is pronounced the same, i.e. like an S. For instance, chaang (elephant) in thai is saang in lao, suan (garden) in thai is also suan in lao, xaat (sunsaat = nationality) in thai is also xaat or sunsaat in lao but pronounced as sard, etc...

Dara:

The Yo letter in khmer is a Ph or P (with english pronunciation, like paper or party) in lao, while the Lo, without the sign underneath it, in khmer is number 9 in lao.

[menghuy]

Same with Thai too! Somewhat related it in away.

you really dont know much about your own country history huh. those provineses's name was never change for more than one thousand year. it's khmer who give the name for those provineses. khmer own those provineses . check the old map. there were more khmer than siam and tai or lao in the crrrent thailand and lao altogether one thousand year ago. why bother to change the name. assimilated the peoples instead. unlike vietnam, they have more than fifties million peoples. the kins peoples that is. they have to change the name of provineses in khmer to vietnam because they cant pronounces it in khmer. you have to remenber my freinds,it is khmers whose builds thailand and lao under the supervision of tai or siam one thousand year ago. you probably have some khmer blood in you and dont even know it. checks on khmer history.

[NRTS]

Same with Thai too! Somewhat related it in away.

you really dont know much about your own country history huh. those provineses's name was never change for more than one thousand year. it's khmer who give the name for those provineses. khmer own those provineses . check the old map. there were more khmer than siam and tai or lao in the crrrent thailand and lao altogether one thousand year ago. why bother to change the name. assimilated the peoples instead. unlike vietnam, they have more than fifties million peoples. the kins peoples that is. they have to change the name of provineses in khmer to vietnam because they cant pronounces it in khmer. you have to remenber my freinds,it is khmers whose builds thailand and lao under the supervision of tai or siam one thousand year ago. you probably have some khmer blood in you and dont even know it. checks on khmer history.

Yes!..Cambodia is a greatest power country in this region or even in this world.
Congratulation..

[LoserKid]

where are they now?

[User1]

I don't know much about the Khmer language, but I do know that I can understand Lao since the grammar, vocabulary is very very similar to Thai. However, there are slight differences, like:

Lao -> Thai
sao = yee-sip [twenty]
bpien = bplien [change]
sok = nok [bird]
honghien = rongrien [school]

Basically, Thai's N is changed to S, R is changed to H, and while we have an extra consonant for stuff like bplien [change] and dtriem [prepare] the L and the R are just omitted in spelling. So it simplifies to just bpien and dtiem.

Aside from that, the Lao alphabet has a similar alphabet with the Thai alphabet. Both start with kgoh kgai. There's also similar meaniing attached to some letters, like kho khwai and au aang. Few things that change are like, Lao has "noh nok" [bird] while we have

Pretty much, although Thai is similar to Lao, the Lao language is plain and simple, while Thai is much concentrated on sounding pretty, proper, and is complicated. XD

so interesting...I was just commentin on this in Thai chat...
sao = yee-sip [twenty]
bpien = bplien [change]
sok = nok [bird]
^almost same sound as Chinese

N does have a tendency to change to S/X...the l and n is also exchangeable atleast in chinese dialects...
"noh noo" [mouse]. hehe
xoo or lao shu. ...mandarin