If the philippine archipelago was islamized Options

[kermit_criminal]

lmao

[orient]

Suzuka00, wanna start a thread like

"If America was Islamized" ?

[Suzuka00]

North and East of Mindanao was always VISAYAN and that includes Davao,Davaoenyo language was discovered to be visayan but Davao was a part of Maguindanao Empire even though it's Visayan.

Interesting

I think if the Philippines was Islamized and united, the official language would be a Malay-based creole much like Bahasa Indonesia is a Malay-based language. The dominant people might be the present day Moros of Mindanao because that's where Islam originally set foot in the archipelago. The highlanders like Igorots might be converted to Christianity by Europeans. The cuisine would be much different, instead of having a large Hispanic influence, we would have Middle eastern/South Asian influence instead.

Suzuka will not allow the moros of Mindanao dominating over Kapampangans.

Actually,the Kapampangans are moro in historical records in the 16th century,they had more edge to other ethnic groups in luzon because they got the central plains like mandarin chinese people,so perhaps Luzon will have a loose union with Maguindanao kingdom but that would be just an allegiance.

that would be funny....lol

lol if Philippines became muslim...then basically Islam would have a lockdown on half of Southeast Asia
From the Indian Ocean all the way to the Pacific Ocean

Yes,and parts of china will be muslim as well but taiwan will be shared by japan and luzon.

there are allot of "if" threads here
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/index.php

This post has been edited by Suzuka00: Aug 1 2009, 03:59 AM

[trismegistos]

North and East of Mindanao was always VISAYAN and that includes Davao,Davaoenyo language was discovered to be visayan but Davao was a part of Maguindanao Empire even though it's Visayan...
Actually,the Kapampangans are moro in historical records in the 16th century,they had more edge to other ethnic groups in luzon because they got the central plains like mandarin chinese people,so perhaps Luzon will have a loose union with Maguindanao kingdom but that would be just an allegiance.

The Kapampangans and the Tagalogs (who were considered as one people by the person who made the first Philippine census in 1582, Miguel de Loarca,) were Moros during the advent of the Castilles. The Islamization of Luzon was due to the evangelizing efforts done by the Bisayan-Chinese-Arab ruler, Nakhoda Ragam also known as Sultan Bulkeiah of Brunei, the same person known as Raja Baginda of Sulu who took as his wife the daughter of the vanquished King of Luzon, Datu Gambang. Luzon prior to that could be an Indianized State as evidenced by the Laguna Copperplate Inscription where the ruler whose seat was Tundo(eastern capital)was acting as "Senapati" which was a Hindu or Sanskrt term for 'Admiral' whose authority or links of alliance could go as far as Medang in Sumatra. Btw, the time period of the Laguna Copperplate Inscription was during the time when the Indianized thalassocracy known as SriVijayan(Coedes)/Sanfotsi(Chinese)/Zabag(Moslem) was at its heighest and whose subjects held allegiance to a Maharaja/Mihraj(whose seat of capital could be northwest of the eastern capital-PKM).

quoted from here... http://www.bored.com/ebooks/History/philip...volume%205.html
The region all about this bay is fertile,
and well-provisioned. The inhabitants are Moros, instructed in that
faith by those of Burney. The river has a fresh-water lake, about
five leagues above this city; it is more than twenty leagues in
circumference. The district abounds in rice and cotton. The people
possess much gold in the way of trinkets, but there are no mines in
this region. This same race of Moros have made settlements as far as
the villages of the Batangas; their number will be told later. They
have also peopled the island of Mindoro and that of Luban, but they
are to be found in no other region of these islands. The inhabitants
of the province of Camarines at the eastern end of this island,
through whose strait arrive the ships from Nueva Espana, resemble
the Pintados; and even those at the other and southeastern [_sc._
northern] end of this island, toward the Japanese, also closely
resemble the Pintados--although they do not tattoo
The Pintados tattoo
the whole body very gorgeously; but the Moros do not tattoo themselves
at all, nor do they bore their ears. Unlike the men of Visaya, the
Moros wear their hair short, although their women bore their ears,
but in a very ugly manner. The Moros inhabit only this district of
the bay of Manilla. with a fifteen-league coast, the most fertile
land of this island. The following encomiendas are to be found in
the neighborhood of this city:

The encomienda of Vatan, eight hundred men.

The encomienda of Vitis, with about seven thousand men.

The encomienda of Macabebe, with two thousand six hundred men.

The encomienda of Calonpite, with about three thousand men.

The encomienda of Candava, with two thousand men.

Near this encomienda is a village which, on account of its antiquity,
is called Little Castilla. It belongs to his Majesty, and has a
population of seventy.

The encomienda of Pale, with three hundred men.

The encomienda of Binto, with four hundred men.

The encomienda of Malolos, eight hundred men.

The encomienda of Guiguinto, four hundred men.

The encomienda of Catangalan, with eight hundred men.

The encomienda of Caluya belongs to his Majesty, and has six hundred
men.

One language is spoken in all these encomiendas. Quite near the city,
and along the coast from Tondo, which is situated on the other side
of the river of this city, another language is spoken. This village
of Tondo belongs to his Majesty, and possesses a population of one
thousand three hundred and fifty Indians.end of quote

[salamat]

The one thing attractive of Philippines being like this is that we won't be as weak as we are now

[Jc2]

I don't think the most of the inhabitants of the Manila bay (Kapampangans and Tagalogs) were Muslims prior to the Spanish colonization. Only the ruling class and a few converts were Muslims. Most were animistic with considerable Hindu influence

[orient]

The one thing attractive of Philippines being like this is that we won't be as weak as we are now

As in suicide bombers/terrorists

[Suzuka00]

The Kapampangans and the Tagalogs (who were considered as one people by the person who made the first Philippine census in 1582, Miguel de Loarca,) were Moros during the advent of the Castilles. The Islamization of Luzon was due to the evangelizing efforts done by the Bisayan-Chinese-Arab ruler, Nakhoda Ragam also known as Sultan Bulkeiah of Brunei, the same person known as Raja Baginda of Sulu who took as his wife the daughter of the vanquished King of Luzon, Datu Gambang. Luzon prior to that could be an Indianized State as evidenced by the Laguna Copperplate Inscription where the ruler whose seat was Tundo(eastern capital)was acting as "Senapati" which was a Hindu or Sanskrt term for 'Admiral' whose authority or links of alliance could go as far as Medang in Sumatra. Btw, the time period of the Laguna Copperplate Inscription was during the time when the Indianized thalassocracy known as SriVijayan(Coedes)/Sanfotsi(Chinese)/Zabag(Moslem) was at its heighest and whose subjects held allegiance to a Maharaja/Mihraj(whose seat of capital could be northwest of the eastern capital-PKM).

quoted from here... http://www.bored.com/ebooks/History/philip...volume%205.html
The region all about this bay is fertile,
and well-provisioned. The inhabitants are Moros, instructed in that
faith by those of Burney. The river has a fresh-water lake, about
five leagues above this city; it is more than twenty leagues in
circumference. The district abounds in rice and cotton. The people
possess much gold in the way of trinkets, but there are no mines in
this region. This same race of Moros have made settlements as far as
the villages of the Batangas; their number will be told later. They
have also peopled the island of Mindoro and that of Luban, but they
are to be found in no other region of these islands. The inhabitants
of the province of Camarines at the eastern end of this island,
through whose strait arrive the ships from Nueva Espana, resemble
the Pintados; and even those at the other and southeastern [_sc._
northern] end of this island, toward the Japanese, also closely
resemble the Pintados--although they do not tattoo
The Pintados tattoo
the whole body very gorgeously; but the Moros do not tattoo themselves
at all, nor do they bore their ears. Unlike the men of Visaya, the
Moros wear their hair short, although their women bore their ears,
but in a very ugly manner. The Moros inhabit only this district of
the bay of Manilla. with a fifteen-league coast, the most fertile
land of this island. The following encomiendas are to be found in
the neighborhood of this city:

The encomienda of Vatan, eight hundred men.

The encomienda of Vitis, with about seven thousand men.

The encomienda of Macabebe, with two thousand six hundred men.

The encomienda of Calonpite, with about three thousand men.

The encomienda of Candava, with two thousand men.

Near this encomienda is a village which, on account of its antiquity,
is called Little Castilla. It belongs to his Majesty, and has a
population of seventy.

The encomienda of Pale, with three hundred men.

The encomienda of Binto, with four hundred men.

The encomienda of Malolos, eight hundred men.

The encomienda of Guiguinto, four hundred men.

The encomienda of Catangalan, with eight hundred men.

The encomienda of Caluya belongs to his Majesty, and has six hundred
men.

One language is spoken in all these encomiendas. Quite near the city,
and along the coast from Tondo, which is situated on the other side
of the river of this city, another language is spoken. This village
of Tondo belongs to his Majesty, and possesses a population of one
thousand three hundred and fifty Indians.end of quote

Bolkeiah installed the Soliman clan to power actually,plus they are ming allies,I think a part of taiwan would be ours by now in that timeline i was talking about.

Pangasinense and Kapampangan were both prestige languages before the spanish came and will continue in that timeline,therefore the official language of luzon will be a hybrid of kapampangan and pangasinense in that timeline.

The one thing attractive of Philippines being like this is that we won't be as weak as we are now

Yes,I agree....

I don't think the most of the inhabitants of the Manila bay (Kapampangans and Tagalogs) were Muslims prior to the Spanish colonization. Only the ruling class and a few converts were Muslims. Most were animistic with considerable Hindu influence

That is because islam arrived quite late in luzon but given time it will grow...

This post has been edited by Suzuka00: Aug 1 2009, 01:28 PM

[salamat]

As in suicide bombers/terrorists

better then being Japan's b!tch

[silangan]

I don't think the most of the inhabitants of the Manila bay (Kapampangans and Tagalogs) were Muslims prior to the Spanish colonization. Only the ruling class and a few converts were Muslims. Most were animistic with considerable Hindu influence

Don't mind them. These guys are Muslims. They want to tamper with history.

Then they fool Filipinos to open themselves to Islam and convert through "BALIK ISLAM"

They tell you "The Philippines was Muslim" let's go back to Islam.

They have fooled a lot of Pinoys already

The truth is: The Philippines was never Muslim. If it was, It would not have embraced Christianity.

Islam was never successful in converting the Philippines because the ancient inhabitants of the Islands were inhospitable and warlike.

Also, Islam was rather new to the region south east Asia that time, and the spread of Islam was halted by the arrival of Europeans.

THE SPANISH CONQUISTADORS NEVER CALLED THE FILIPINOS MOROS. THEY CALLED US INDIOS.

WE WERE INDIOS IN THE EYES OF THE CASTILLIANS, NOT MOROS.

[silangan]

better then being Japan's b!tch

If the Pinoy nation was Muslim, it would have stagnated back to the middle ages like Afghanistan.

The religion is very restrictive. Faith is based on ancient beliefs that does not allow adaptation to a changing world.

Why would my religion teach me to use water and nothing but water alone and not tissue paper.

The world will not advance because they prohibit almost anything under the sun.

We would not have gone to the moon, thanks for Christianity.

Otherwise, we would still be in our caves murdering others for not being "fidels" like us.

[kermit_criminal]

If the Pinoy nation was Muslim, it would have stagnated back to the middle ages like Afghanistan.

The religion is very restrictive. Faith is based on ancient beliefs that does not allow adaptation to a changing world.

Why would my religion teach me to use water and nothing but water alone and not tissue paper.

The world will not advance because they prohibit almost anything under the sun.

We would not have gone to the moon, thanks for Christianity.

Otherwise, we would still be in our caves murdering others for not being "fidels" like us.

we didnt go to the moon. america did, and thats more due to capitalism and democracy then christianity

and apparently malaysia is doing pretty damn good compared to the phillipnes despite being muslim

the way the philippines is going to advance is by denouncing religion like china, japan, south korea.. and even the united states to an extent.

This post has been edited by kermit_criminal: Aug 1 2009, 09:47 PM

[orient]

we didnt go to the moon. america did, and thats more due to capitalism and democracy then christianity

and apparently malaysia is doing pretty damn good compared to the phillipnes despite being muslim

the way the philippines is going to advance is by denouncing religion like china, japan, south korea.. and even the united states to an extent.

Yeah, good thing Malaysia is only 65% Bumiputra.

[salamat]

If the Pinoy nation was Muslim, it would have stagnated back to the middle ages like Afghanistan.

The religion is very restrictive. Faith is based on ancient beliefs that does not allow adaptation to a changing world.

Why would my religion teach me to use water and nothing but water alone and not tissue paper.

The world will not advance because they prohibit almost anything under the sun.

We would not have gone to the moon, thanks for Christianity.

Otherwise, we would still be in our caves murdering others for not being "fidels" like us.

how do u explain Brunei, Arab Emirates, Dubai, Kuwait, and Malaysia

at least we will have dignity...do u see malaysians and indonesians embarassed by what they are??? no
Why??? because they have a strong sense of culture...unlike filipinos who would rather be hawiian or latino then being filipino

ANd you can't refute what i said....because you know its d@mn true

I suggest that the Philippines goes through a renaissance where we get rid of the spanish influence to the country
As long as we still continue to see ourselves as a former colony of Spain...we will never advance...because the Latin mindset is full of corruption

This post has been edited by salamat: Aug 2 2009, 08:46 AM

[orient]

Take away the oil from Brunei, UAE, Kuwait and if Malaysia is 100% Bumiputra, the results are different

[salamat]

Take away the oil from Brunei, UAE, Kuwait and if Malaysia is 100% Bumiputra, the results are different

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Xci2YSxqE...feature=related
Do these people seem really distant from ourselves??? this video almost sounds filipino to me

[kermit_criminal]

and if Malaysia is 100% Bumiputra, the results are different

c'mon thats racist dude, it has nothing to do w/ race. the president of america is black for allah's sake

[Barilin-Kita]

For most part, religion was bestowed upon us to control us. Enough with the control sh!t already. We dont need religion.

[orient]

c'mon thats racist dude, it has nothing to do w/ race. the president of america is black for allah's sake

Providing affirmative action to the majority, now that's racist
*cough Malaysia *cough

[silangan]

we didnt go to the moon. america did, and thats more due to capitalism and democracy then christianity

and apparently malaysia is doing pretty damn good compared to the phillipnes despite being muslim

the way the philippines is going to advance is by denouncing religion like china, japan, south korea.. and even the united states to an extent.

Democracy is founded on Christian values. I didn't say the Philippines but Christianity being more open.

Wipe the Chinese out of Malaysia and see what happens. The Chinese in Malaysia are not Muslims.

The Philippines is Catholic, which I would say, less favorable. Protestants are more objective.