so you want to know hmong, well, read these. Options

[lilasiankid]

So who came up with this bull$hit?

Yupheng Xiong, and the crew that went to China to study I guess. They have Chinese archealogists backing them so I believe some stuff. Like the legend of the 3 brothers and a few other things that are really obvious and acknowledged.

Most of the stuff Hmong write, are still kinda obscure and they carry a nationalistic bias so I'm skeptical.....but some hard facts...and bam, I'm a believer.....

Most of our history is untranslated and in Chinese....I'm still trying to learn Mandarin for that reason.

This post has been edited by lilasiankid: Nov 12 2005, 10:51 PM

[don't_go_to_WSSU]

"Chinese archealogists" can be defined as:

-Local peasants who tells story through word of mouth/the grape vine.
-People who do not exist, but are pigments of one's plan to decieve the Hmong people.
-Hmong people who makes up $hit to make a name for themselves.
-ect, etc, etc,...


But really, I've heard that "history lesson" of/about the Hmongs a million times, even before that Hmong "anthropologist" of yours claimed to have came up with it.

I could have went around the great state of North Carolina and collect the same amount of information, as to your reseacher who went to China only to get repeat tales of Hmong history that his daddy could have had told him.

[lilasiankid]

"Chinese archealogists" can be defined as:

-Local peasants who tells story through word of mouth/the grape vine.
-People who do not exist, but are pigments of one's plan to decieve the Hmong people.
-Hmong people who makes up $hit to make a name for themselves.
-ect, etc, etc,...


But really, I've heard that "history lesson" of/about the Hmongs a million times, even before that Hmong "anthropologist" of yours claimed to have came up with it.

I could have went around the great state of North Carolina and collect the same amount of information, as to your reseacher who went to China only to get repeat tales of Hmong history that his daddy could have had told him.

If you actually pay attention to it, there are REAL archealogists in it.

I don't believe all of it, until I see hard evidence also...essays that carry nationalistic sense of pride I find hard to believe also......But we can't just also jump to conclusions that we were always the lowliest group of peasants forever....There was a time when we lived in "our" land and could of become great and could maybe even have our own country til today, and there'd be no Laos or SE Asia, but we lost it long ago to Chinese....and this isn't coming from Hmong word of mouth.....it's in Chinese historical records....

I dont think he claims to have come up with it either.....he just stating it out...

Think what u wanna think...I don't care....

This post has been edited by lilasiankid: Nov 13 2005, 11:25 AM

[CoDep]

I would read the origine of the H'Mong later, for it's too long.

In Vietnam, the H'Mong are known as "Cat people" who live in highest lands,
growing Corn and Opium (now heroin). There were at least 2 H'Mong kings
who were captured and detained in concentration camp by the Vietnamese
communist government. These people claimed to be kings of the independent
H'Mong people. They wanted more freedom the local government could not
give to them. The government fought many battles in the mountains, losing
a great number of soldiers, and at last it supressed the rebellious H'Mong.

Some of H'Mong moved to the south at the time the Vietnam government
was forced to allow people to move freely accordingto the Genever convention
in 1954. Then they settle in the high land near Viet-Lao border.

In 1975, the north Vietnam reunited the nation, and some H'Mon, who are
still in the high mountain near Viet-China border, continue to move to the
south, and settle in the jungles on the high land in the middle of Vietnam.

Some of the H'Mong who have been in the South for more than a decade, escaped
through the Viet-Lao, and Lao-Thai border. Some of them were accepted to
settle in the USA as political refugees. Some of them were repatriated to Vietnam.

In brief, the Vietnamese H'Mong is the most rebellious ethnic group in Vietnam.
Anyway, some of them are tall, big, heavily built, with blue eyes like Caucasians.

[tengkuafif]

Why must there be a Hmong subforum?
I am sure their culture has been somewhat being influenced by the Chinese.
Do they have their own independence nation?

[lilasiankid]

Nope, no country... we're a HUGE @$$ Ethnic Minority You will hear more about us in the future.

[Donovan]

WoW! learned a lot here guys and girls. Great stuff i never knew about Hmong.

[jinglebells]

too much 2 read.. but thanks anyways... for researching & of course for your time..

[JinAkUoVII]

too much 2 read.. but thanks anyways... for researching & of course for your time..

I Agree it's way too looooong! I started to read it but then I scroll down and I end up at "For approximately__" and so on. "HMONG IS GREAT", that's all I will add to that!

[omgwhatishmong]

NICE, BUT ISNT IT EASIER JUST TO SAY.. " WE ONCE LIVED IN CHINA, WE ONCE WERE CHINESE, BUT BECAUSE OF TIME AND LOCATION, WE NOW ARE HMONG." LOL

[ChangGang]

I would read the origine of the H'Mong later, for it's too long.

In Vietnam, the H'Mong are known as "Cat people" who live in highest lands,
growing Corn and Opium (now heroin). There were at least 2 H'Mong kings
who were captured and detained in concentration camp by the Vietnamese
communist government. These people claimed to be kings of the independent
H'Mong people. They wanted more freedom the local government could not
give to them. The government fought many battles in the mountains, losing
a great number of soldiers, and at last it supressed the rebellious H'Mong.

Some of H'Mong moved to the south at the time the Vietnam government
was forced to allow people to move freely accordingto the Genever convention
in 1954. Then they settle in the high land near Viet-Lao border.

In 1975, the north Vietnam reunited the nation, and some H'Mon, who are
still in the high mountain near Viet-China border, continue to move to the
south, and settle in the jungles on the high land in the middle of Vietnam.

Some of the H'Mong who have been in the South for more than a decade, escaped
through the Viet-Lao, and Lao-Thai border. Some of them were accepted to
settle in the USA as political refugees. Some of them were repatriated to Vietnam.

In brief, the Vietnamese H'Mong is the most rebellious ethnic group in Vietnam.
Anyway, some of them are tall, big, heavily built, with blue eyes like Caucasians.

WTF is this Bull$hit?!

[StrawberryKisses]

There's too much to read.

[MaiStyle]

"Some of the H'Mong who have been in the South for more than a decade, escaped
through the Viet-Lao, and Lao-Thai border. Some of them were accepted to
settle in the USA as political refugees. Some of them were repatriated to Vietnam.

In brief, the Vietnamese H'Mong is the most rebellious ethnic group in Vietnam.
Anyway, some of them are tall, big, heavily built, with blue eyes like Caucasians."


that's sad.. haha.

[tizzy]

yea hmong peoples are hot im trying to learn hmong cause i live in minnesota and there are a sheet load of hmong people here specially in st paul like the guy thhat wrote all this which i really want to like give ups to cause he actually cares about stuffs and thats rocking and he lives like 10 miles away from me so thats cool to maybe we'll meet at like gameworks sometime

WWOOOOO first post

[voxy]

Not sure how reliable that resources comes from...


From what I know, the real Hmong king died back in China a while back in the old old days...


During war that happended during the vietnam war.. There isn't really any "Real King...

They are just lowered rank of "Leaders"...

Which I think are the left over of some of the generations from china...

Which make them a higher rank during the vietnam war...


But not sure about them being King though...


The highest person to be rank as a king would be General Vang Pao, but afterall He's just a leader....

And he is what is around during the vietnam war...

[moryHX]

oh my gosh!!! this is too much to read...but i'll take a break for now...i still got a long way...my eyes are hurting and it's tearing...i'm gettin sleepy too...

[AsiaNETIK]

In my 23 years of living I have never met a Hmong person not until a month ago... she's one of my employees at my work place and she seems pretty nice. Is Hmong a tribe back in the days ? or was it an Empire ? were you guys strong enough back in the days while fighting a lot of different tribes or different Kingdoms ? I know there's a lot to read but it's a little too much. Maybe if you summarize a few things I'll probably research a certain topic of what to search for. I don't know some how I'm getting the feeling that Hmongs were Banished or exiled from the region that you guys resided on... basically present day China correct ? This sounds very similiar to Mien people... I grew up with a lot of them back when I was younger and got a few Mien friends from back then... odd thing is that they never really knew anything about their roots but just kept representing what they are without a clue about their history. The area that I currently reside in is Sacramento now... the majority of Asians up here are Hmong and Mien and both cultures despise each other, so yeah there's a lot of shooting going on.

[xeemlauj]

awesome article, i read this long time ago.

[money]

Hmong people are not Chinese.

We do not share the same culture, we are indigenous nomadic people.

We are a minority that lives in China with Chinese people and have fought the Chinese throughout history for our freedom.

We are automatically associated with barbarianism and a threat to China's territorial integrity.

We are better known as the Miao's in China which literally means 'sprout' in Chinese.

After many upraises against the Chinese government, we survived and thrive over 7 million strong in China today.

The Chinese people have practiced Multiculturalists for centuries. Multiculturalists claim that assimilation can hurt minority cultures by stripping away their distinctive features. They point to situations where institutions of the dominant culture initiate programs to assimilate or integrate minority cultures.



With assimilation, Hmong people lose their original cultural (and often linguistic) identity and so do their children.



Hmong people fled persecution and because laos was a country devastated by war our parents were resilient to abandoning their heritage once they had settled in a new country.


Don't ever think that you are Chinese, you are not!!! You are Hmong.

Check out these sites and make your own conclusions:

http://www.cal.org/co/hmong/hhist.html
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/nationality/miao/
http://www.c-c-c.org/culture-resources/eth...inorities/miao/
http://www.hmongcenter.org/
http://www.mandarintools.com/cgi-bin/wordl...amp;where=start
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Minorities/C...ionalities.html

[SinoPak]

Hmong people are not Chinese.

We do not share the same culture, we are indigenous nomadic people.

We are a minority that lives in China with Chinese people and have fought the Chinese throughout history for our freedom.

We are automatically associated with barbarianism and a threat to China's territorial integrity.

We are better known as the Miao's in China which literally means 'sprout' in Chinese.

After many upraises against the Chinese government, we survived and thrive over 7 million strong in China today.

The Chinese people have practiced Multiculturalists for centuries. Multiculturalists claim that assimilation can hurt minority cultures by stripping away their distinctive features. They point to situations where institutions of the dominant culture initiate programs to assimilate or integrate minority cultures.



With assimilation, Hmong people lose their original cultural (and often linguistic) identity and so do their children.



Hmong people fled persecution and because laos was a country devastated by war our parents were resilient to abandoning their heritage once they had settled in a new country.


Don't ever think that you are Chinese, you are not!!! You are Hmong.

Check out these sites and make your own conclusions:

http://www.cal.org/co/hmong/hhist.html
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/nationality/miao/
http://www.c-c-c.org/culture-resources/eth...inorities/miao/
http://www.hmongcenter.org/
http://www.mandarintools.com/cgi-bin/wordl...amp;where=start
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Minorities/C...ionalities.html

Miao inside China is Chinese

No one will consider Hmong (all outside China) is Chinese