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Would it have been better for China
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post Oct 18 2004, 03:23 PM
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If Japan had conquered and occupied/ruled it? Most Taiwanese are actually quite happy we ruled them for nearly 50 years. We did alotta great stuff for them, if China was a Japanese colony could they have advanced and modernized and not remain such a poor country? The thing is the Japanese had the right idea in mind.
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post Oct 18 2004, 03:26 PM
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would it be better if stupid viets/Japanese stop stirring up $hit in chinese chat?
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post Oct 18 2004, 05:08 PM
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ROFL

wow, you are starting a fight

why would we wanna be ruled by an island knock off of ourselves

China is advancing rapidly at the moment, if you knew Chinese modern history, you'd understand the reason why its been difficult for China this past century

why would we wanna be ruled by an island knock off of ourselves

If China was a japanese colony, our rape crimes would go up as high as Japan's, we'd be obsessed with pop culture(stolen from the west by the way), our children would be degenerate and buying porno from vending machines like Japan

why would we wanna be ruled by an island knock off of ourselves

why should Chinese respect Japan?, japan is only where it is(declining) because of help from other countries, prove me wrong
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post Oct 18 2004, 05:11 PM
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No and no. Also if you think the Rape of Nanjing was "helping Chinese" then nonononononononono.
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post Oct 18 2004, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (CTM2000 @ Oct 18 2004, 02:23 PM)
If Japan had conquered and occupied/ruled it? Most Taiwanese are actually quite happy we ruled them for nearly 50 years. We did alotta great stuff for them, if China was a Japanese colony could they have advanced and modernized and not remain such a poor country? The thing is the Japanese had the right idea in mind.
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Where are the "most Taiwanese" you speak of?

Well, since Japanese culture came from China, it would be more convenient and effecient for Japan's cultural advancement if China occupied Japan.

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post Oct 18 2004, 06:49 PM
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Uh...no. One thing is that the way Japan treated China and the way that Japan thought about China was clearly conveyed during the Nanjing Massacre...And that was NOT...great. Also, Japan would have tried to suck away the culture of China as was seen when they invaded HK and such and tried to convert everything to Japanese, even the street names. China is also NOT a poor country. I don't know where you're getting that from. The GDP is $6.449 trillion and is growing at 9.1%. China is actually doing well and is continuing to advance in terms of modernity and technology and all that.
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post Oct 18 2004, 06:57 PM
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This thread was obviously meant for flames madgo.gif why do people feed the trolls like this?
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post Oct 18 2004, 07:27 PM
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If the Japanese had occupied/ruled China, who's to say that China wouldn't have modernized today? It's a thought provoking question.
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post Oct 18 2004, 07:34 PM
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it wouldn't because they didn't do it well. If they had done what the Qing had done and worked with the chinese people, mebbe. but at that time nationalism was taking shape and China already had bad relations with Japan.
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post Oct 18 2004, 07:43 PM
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If the Manchus were able to make China prosper, atleast for the first 150 years of the Qing, why couldn't the Japanese had done the same?
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post Oct 18 2004, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (CTM2000 @ Oct 18 2004, 04:23 PM)
If Japan had conquered and occupied/ruled it? Most Taiwanese are actually quite happy we ruled them for nearly 50 years. We did alotta great stuff for them, if China was a Japanese colony could they have advanced and modernized and not remain such a poor country? The thing is the Japanese had the right idea in mind.
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we weren't "happy" about the rule of the japanese. more like content. yes, the japanese brought order and a certain level of prospertity to the island, but the taiwanese people were still treated like second-class citizens during those 50 years of japanese occupation. a fine example would be how the japanese military forced our women into servicing/having sex with japanese soldiers during WWII madgo.gif

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QUOTE (CTM2000 @ Oct 18 2004, 08:43 PM)
If the Manchus were able to make China prosper, atleast for the first 150 years of the Qing, why couldn't the Japanese had done the same?
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the Manchus know their place, they knew they were the cultural inferior to Han culture.


japanese think their culture is unique and original(guess what, its not)

don't you ever associate Manchus or any other Da Zhong Hua ethnicity with Japanese sure.gif
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post Oct 18 2004, 08:24 PM
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Japanese didn't not try to be assimilated. They wanted to wipe out Chinese culture and replace it with Japanese (un)culture.
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during the Nanjing Massacre...

Nanjing Massacre was just a minor incidents. There were massacres all over China. Not to mention squadron 731's human experiments in Northeast China. They would just fly a plane and poison the entire village just to test a new chemical and how bodies react to it.
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post Oct 18 2004, 09:32 PM
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no..it is bad...

japanese people treat people without man kinds..and i think this topic should be ban...

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post Oct 18 2004, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE (浪淘音 @ Oct 18 2004, 08:49 PM)
QUOTE (CTM2000 @ Oct 18 2004, 08:43 PM)
If the Manchus were able to make China prosper, atleast for the first 150 years of the Qing, why couldn't the Japanese had done the same?
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the Manchus know their place, they knew they were the cultural inferior to Han culture.


japanese think their culture is unique and original(guess what, its not)

don't you ever associate Manchus or any other Da Zhong Hua ethnicity with Japanese sure.gif
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For once I actually agree, not like Japanese culture is actually powerful enough to overrun Chinese culture.
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post Oct 18 2004, 11:58 PM
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If anyone wants this topic closed say so or tell me in PM. CMT you might want to try to think of topics which are going to be less inflammatory. I've noticed you seem to make topics like your "Are Vietnamese the poorest Asian American group?" and "Are Vietnamese the most looked downed upon Asians?" Its getting old.
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post Oct 19 2004, 12:17 AM
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jeez stop attacking people b/c they're not Chinese...it's getting irritating (same w/ other ethnicities)

anyway, Japan wouldn't have done nearly as much for China as they did for Taiwan b/c China is freaking HUGE. To upgrade one thing you gotta do sooo much...and new standards are hard to meet. They're doing a good job growing now; in the future if there were less people then it'd be all good
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post Oct 19 2004, 08:50 AM
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Japan did many good things for Taiwan during its rule.

-The first goals of Japan after gaining control of Taiwan, were to establish order and domestic tranquility, and to promote economic development.

-Japan encouraged the cultivation of rice and sugar throught different parts of the island and introduced many new farming techniques and also different strains of rice.
In fact, by the 1930's, Taiwan produced more than twice as much rice as the population consumed.

- Food production also greatly increased under Japanese rule. In 1920, the consumption of meat, vegetables and fresh fruit was higher than that of any province in China and even higher than some parts of Japan.

- Japan upgraded Taiwan's railroads. Before 1895, under Chinese rule, Taiwan had 30 miles of railroad. Within 10 years of Japanese rule, Taiwan had more than 7000 miles of railroad under construction.

- Japan improved Taiwan's education. Taiwan's literacy rate, technological skills and knowledge of world events was higher than every area in Asia, except Japan.

As you can see, Taiwan did a lot of good things for Taiwan.
But, would China have been better off if Japan ruled it?
I don't think so. If Japan ruled China, it would have a very hard-time, as most of the Chinese population would see them as "foreigners" or "outsiders" that have taken over their country. Therefore, if Japan tried to help the people, introduce new agricultural methods etc, they probably would have been highly rejected by the people.

Or you could just take the classic anti-j@p approach "Go away! Shut up! Look what you did in Nanjing! Look what you did in Nanjing! I'm not gonna listen to you! Stay away!"
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post Oct 19 2004, 01:01 PM
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Why don't China just nuke the $hit out of Vietnam right now. US won't help you. No one is Vietnam's friend.
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post Oct 19 2004, 01:10 PM
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If the Japanese had occupied/ruled China, who's to say that China wouldn't have modernized today? It's a thought provoking question.


And it doesn't justify $hit. It is plainly obvious to everybody here that your comment is a subtle, underhanded attempt to defend J@p atrocities.

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