Unified NE Asian Kingdom (Japan + Korea + Mongolia) Options

[cyon]

I believe this idea was first brought in by many Japanese and Korean politicians about 4-50 years ago...

What do you think of the idea? Agree or disagree? Please answer (Mongolians only!)

[LyingPigFromNowh...]

Yes agreed

[zaza9000]

Yes agreed

yes. I think Japan, Korea, Mongolia and Kasakhstan should create a political, milityr and economic block to counter the Chinese threat.

[LyingPigFromNowh...]

great idea.

[MotorRifle]

yes. I think Japan, Korea, Mongolia and Kasakhstan should create a political, milityr and economic block to counter the Chinese threat.

But most of those countries dont even have an independant military to begin with

[haozhao]

yes. I think Japan, Korea, Mongolia and Kasakhstan should create a political, milityr and economic block to counter the Chinese threat.

Keep dreaming. Why are the Mongolians on this forum so unreasonable? They like to indulge in fantasies because they feel so helpless in real life.

Chinese diplomacy is ensuring that there will be no containment of China. China is already too powerful to be contained. Anyways, China has drawn in Korea, Japan, Mongolia and Kazakhstan close to the Chinese economy that they will not break off relations.

Anyways, China will act in a non-threatening way as long as it develops. The goal of the next 50 years is development. After that, who knows.

[LyingPigFromNowh...]

Dreams comes true.

[thehorsemen]

What we need is a mafia like group consisting of these nationalities, killing the chinese men that have nothing better to do than to try to cause us trouble. I'd be the first to join. lol

[LyingPigFromNowh...]

[Mowgli]

Keep dreaming. Why are the Mongolians on this forum so unreasonable? They like to indulge in fantasies because they feel so helpless in real life.

Chinese diplomacy is ensuring that there will be no containment of China. China is already too powerful to be contained. Anyways, China has drawn in Korea, Japan, Mongolia and Kazakhstan close to the Chinese economy that they will not break off relations.

Anyways, China will act in a non-threatening way as long as it develops. The goal of the next 50 years is development. After that, who knows.

I don't think this was fantasy.
Japan, Mongolia and Korea have been dreaming this for long time, and there was even some kind of meetings between them.

China is not that powerful as you described, do Japan, Mongolia, and Korea will listen to China?

China is economically important for these three countries but doesn't extended to their spirits.
All three of them hates China more than another nations.

So good luck trying to tampering them.
They don't trust China, that's why they rather link with others.

[nitama]

I don't think this was fantasy.
Japan, Mongolia and Korea have been dreaming this for long time, and there was even some kind of meetings between them.

China is not that powerful as you described, do Japan, Mongolia, and Korea will listen to China?

China is economically important for these three countries but doesn't extended to their spirits.
All three of them hates China more than another nations.

So good luck trying to tampering them.
They don't trust China, that's why they rather link with others.

You do know if this union happens it will not be an equal partnership. Japanese population and economy is much larger than Korean or Mongolian. So get ready to learn Japanese if this happens. And i think it's only the Koreans mostly that wants to link with others because it knows its power is limited by itself. Japan on the other hand is confident in itself and is only interested in Japanese affairs. Mongolia is the weakest link in the trio, if this union if were to ever happen it would end up as a resource field for the other two. Although the three countries don't listen to China per say, I do think many of the policies they do make has China in mind. And I don't think there is hate between the countries, it might just be your personal opinions affecting what you are saying. I think fear and uncertainty is more like the root of the problem. The power structure in EA is far too imbalanced and the scale tips towards China too much and the other nations have very little counter weight. You trust people you have leverage on you doubt people you have no power over, it's a natural reaction.

[thehorsemen]

Then you don't know mongolians at all, it's almost national that we hate chinese. It's in our blood as it's been said.

[nitama]

Then you don't know mongolians at all, it's almost national that we hate chinese. It's in our blood as it's been said.

The feeling is not mutual then because we have nothing to be afraid of.

[thehorsemen]

Ignorance is bliss as they say.

[nitama]

Ignorance is bliss as they say.

No it's just a mentality.

It takes a small man to hate, it takes a bigger man to accept.

Life is just easier if you learn to hate less.

[thehorsemen]

No thanks, I'm quite happy the way I am.

[Mowgli]

You do know if this union happens it will not be an equal partnership. Japanese population and economy is much larger than Korean or Mongolian. So get ready to learn Japanese if this happens. And i think it's only the Koreans mostly that wants to link with others because it knows its power is limited by itself. Japan on the other hand is confident in itself and is only interested in Japanese affairs. Mongolia is the weakest link in the trio, if this union if were to ever happen it would end up as a resource field for the other two. Although the three countries don't listen to China per say, I do think many of the policies they do make has China in mind. And I don't think there is hate between the countries, it might just be your personal opinions affecting what you are saying. I think fear and uncertainty is more like the root of the problem. The power structure in EA is far too imbalanced and the scale tips towards China too much and the other nations have very little counter weight. You trust people you have leverage on you doubt people you have no power over, it's a natural reaction.

Haven't you heard of NATO and EU?

Nop, these three countries only see China as "threat" not as "partner", this is why these 3 countries wanted forge special union, it will more like NATO style union rather than economical one. Sharing intelligence and military strategic establishment is the key to maintain long term defense measure against to "untrustworthy" China.

Hate? Nop No hate, just "fear" and "untrustworthiness" of China.

Sorry, if Korea-Japan union goes ahead, they can easily counter China. Their unified military will be very very strong.
China is not that powerful as you think.
They can practically have better partners from outside of East Asia.

Only Chinese AF members believes CHINA can own EA, or is it?

face it, China can't even take Taiwan by own. How can it counter Japan or Korea? These two nations are much much more stronger than Taiwan.

[Eidolon]

Haven't you heard of NATO and EU?

Nop, these three countries only see China as "threat" not as "partner", this is why these 3 countries wanted forge special union, it will more like NATO style union rather than economical one. Sharing intelligence and military strategic establishment is the key to maintain long term defense measure against to "untrustworthy" China.

Hate? Nop No hate, just "fear" and "untrustworthiness" of China.

Sorry, if Korea-Japan union goes ahead, they can easily counter China. Their unified military will be very very strong.
China is not that powerful as you think.
They can practically have better partners from outside of East Asia.

Only Chinese AF members believes CHINA can own EA, or is it?

face it, China can't even take Taiwan by own. How can it counter Japan or Korea? These two nations are much much more stronger than Taiwan.

Korea and Japan both depend on Western consumers for their wealth. They both depend on China for labor. The whole economic system is interlinked and globalized. With respect to market capitalism, the whole idea of "countering" has long fallen out of favor. Since the political elites of each country depend on the functioning of this system to hold onto power, they're not going to head into any confrontation that might endanger the system.

Militarily speaking, Korea and Japan are not independent nations. They are part of the NATO chain of command, which is headed by the US. This situation may change as US power declines - it depends on what the US does in the coming decades. Either way, I'm not afraid of Korea and Japan forming a military union. They have neither the demographics nor the military advantage to threaten China in an existential sense. This is not the 19th century anymore. Though Korea and Japan are certainly no slouches, China has the capability to ward both of them off. It's the West that we are worried about, because it's the West that has been responsible for both Korea and Japan gaining a technological and military edge on China. Almost all of Japan's advantage during World War II came from purchasing Western technology and scientific expertise. Without such advantages, Japan was never able to so much as gain a foothold in China - see Imjin War.

(Even then, they were helped along by the Portuguese arquebus)

This post has been edited by Eidolon: Jun 16 2009, 08:08 PM

[nitama]

Haven't you heard of NATO and EU?

Nop, these three countries only see China as "threat" not as "partner", this is why these 3 countries wanted forge special union, it will more like NATO style union rather than economical one. Sharing intelligence and military strategic establishment is the key to maintain long term defense measure against to "untrustworthy" China.

Hate? Nop No hate, just "fear" and "untrustworthiness" of China.

Sorry, if Korea-Japan union goes ahead, they can easily counter China. Their unified military will be very very strong.
China is not that powerful as you think.
They can practically have better partners from outside of East Asia.

Only Chinese AF members believes CHINA can own EA, or is it?

face it, China can't even take Taiwan by own. How can it counter Japan or Korea? These two nations are much much more stronger than Taiwan.

How can China be untrustworthy when it's goals are clear. It wants hegemony in East Asia. It almost would not make sense for a country of China's size to not pursue it. If S.Korea wants to create a front to counteract that, there will be trouble because there can't be two alphas in a pack. I say S.Korea because I feel that Japan is more interested in Japanese matters than forming an alliance with anyone and Mongolia is just there to tag along. Also Japan would be more interested in trying to contain N.Korea before anything else. And there is a difference in taking a country intact and destroying it, the latter is easily done but the former takes diplomacy. But I highly doubt the politicians of these countries would be brave enough or stupid enough to form such a military alliance around China without China because that would be pretty close to a declaration of war. Luckily the people in charge of those countries are not as short sighted as some posters on an internet forum. China needs hegemony in E.Asia, Koreans cannot see why, the that's difference in perspective between empires and kingdoms. You may not like it, but that's how it goes.

This post has been edited by nitama: Jun 16 2009, 08:21 PM

[thehorsemen]

Only a declaration of war if that country feels threatened, because maybe there's reasons that china's neighbors hate her.