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Unified NE Asian Kingdom (Japan + Korea + Mongolia)
cyon
post May 29 2009, 02:45 AM
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I believe this idea was first brought in by many Japanese and Korean politicians about 4-50 years ago...

What do you think of the idea? Agree or disagree? Please answer (Japanese only!)

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chiuchimu
post May 9 2011, 12:59 PM
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Not a unified kingdom - everyone wants self governance. A union that relaxes trade and travel as will as make military alliances between China, SK and Japan would be welcome.

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post May 9 2011, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE (chiuchimu @ May 9 2011, 12:59 PM) *
Not a unified kingdom - everyone wants self governance. A union that relaxes trade and travel as will as make military alliances between China, SK and Japan would be welcome.


There is already effectively an military alliances between SK, Japan and the US, isnt it good enough?
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post May 11 2011, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE (Flowerseed @ May 9 2011, 03:04 PM) *
There is already effectively an military alliances between SK, Japan and the US, isnt it good enough?



No, it isn't good enough for the Asia-Pacific NATO. If you want to encircle China and Russia, you need military bases in Mongolia, in the heart of the Eurasian Continent. SK & Japan are good for a Coastal Siege only - China and Russia could very well thrive with the SCO. This is why they are trying hard to convince the Mongolians, Koreans and Japanese Nationalists to use the mythical "Altaic Race" "genetic family" to seal this Alliance against the "Sino" people.

However, Japanese Nationalists will not accept anything less than dominance over the Koreans, so there are inherent conflicts in this "Alliance".

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post May 12 2011, 01:03 AM
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QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ May 12 2011, 01:18 PM) *
No, it isn't good enough for the Asia-Pacific NATO. If you want to encircle China and Russia, you need military bases in Mongolia, in the heart of the Eurasian Continent. SK & Japan are good for a Coastal Siege only - China and Russia could very well thrive with the SCO. This is why they are trying hard to convince the Mongolians, Koreans and Japanese Nationalists to use the mythical "Altaic Race" "genetic family" to seal this Alliance against the "Sino" people.

However, Japanese Nationalists will not accept anything less than dominance over the Koreans, so there are inherent conflicts in this "Alliance".


Sound bitter.
S.Korea-Japan-US-Australia alliance doesn't need Mongolia, in fact the only thing that keeping China from invading Mongolia is Russia not Asia pacific-NATO.

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post May 12 2011, 01:57 AM
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QUOTE (KochiGachi @ May 12 2011, 01:03 AM) *
Sound bitter.
S.Korea-Japan-US-Australia alliance doesn't need Mongolia, in fact the only thing that keeping China from invading Mongolia is Russia not Asia pacific-NATO.



Huh? Bitter? Nope, just thinking like a chess player. You can't attach feelings to this, this is what your opponents do, this is how you must make counter-moves.

You should "feel" less and "think" more.

Based on THINKING, why oh why would China want to invade Mongolia? China is very clear about its own survival and longevity strategy, securing its boundaries and access to resources. It built the Great Wall to keep out Mongolians, it negotiated borders with Russia and Mongolia, it innovated to optimize its resources.

The US, however, WANTS to keep its hegemony in Asia, which is why it built MILITARY BASES all over Asia. It sees China and Russia as its key challengers, and it has a policy of NOT tolerating challengers. It openly declares it's back in Asia/Eurasia, bin Laden is conveniently "out of the way", it can now refocus its attention to the Eurasian Continent.

Look at what they DO, which is CONSISTENT, not what they SAY.
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post May 12 2011, 03:26 AM
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QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ May 12 2011, 04:57 PM) *
Huh? Bitter? Nope, just thinking like a chess player. You can't attach feelings to this, this is what your opponents do, this is how you must make counter-moves.

You should "feel" less and "think" more.

Based on THINKING, why oh why would China want to invade Mongolia? China is very clear about its own survival and longevity strategy, securing its boundaries and access to resources. It built the Great Wall to keep out Mongolians, it negotiated borders with Russia and Mongolia, it innovated to optimize its resources.

The US, however, WANTS to keep its hegemony in Asia, which is why it built MILITARY BASES all over Asia. It sees China and Russia as its key challengers, and it has a policy of NOT tolerating challengers. It openly declares it's back in Asia/Eurasia, bin Laden is conveniently "out of the way", it can now refocus its attention to the Eurasian Continent.

Look at what they DO, which is CONSISTENT, not what they SAY.


Ask Mongolians, it's Mongolian friend told me China is trying to invade Mongolia.
Think more, then Russia isn't so China friendly.

Russia would probably make deal with U.S to put China under very difficult situation, didn't you know Russia is also White nation?
If U.S wanted hegemony in Asia then they would have invaded China, U.S interest is to open up China, and they did brilliant job so far.
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