Unified NE Asian Kingdom (Japan + Korea + Mongolia) Options

[Titanium]

you werent invited faggot@! go away

Pretty sure AF also has a policy against recurring trolls as well

[chunkyperiod]

just because china wasn't invited doesn't mean jealous little runts like you can come puttering in here trying to shut down threads party pooper

[SSB618]

What the hell does mongolia have to offer to this relationship besides a few million sheep.

Wasn't there oil discovered recently in Mongolia? I read an article that had a quote from some guy from the Mongolian government where he said that the general thought is that if Mongolia were to grow wealthy overnight it would be disastrous for the Mongolian people (because of a lack of infrastructure, frivolous spending-oriented economy, etc.). Thus, the prudent thing to do would be to dig/contract out the right to dig slowly and carefully. Because a country in union with Mongolia would have quite a bit more to offer rather than receive (as pointed out by numerous members of this forum = ) ), theoretically such a government could take advantage of either the wealth or the oil (the latter of which is a real concern, given that China's thirst for oil will continue to grow as it's economy does), no?

[RopDiopyNog]

Thats great, OCM.
Also, it seems Jin is okay, as are my other friends in Japan.

[ElapsePride]

Because the Chinese are not North Asians

Depends, China is a vast country, it has almost every type of Asians.

they come from South East Asia and Micronesia, and the Chinese people are of malay and pygmy ancestry.

LMAO. seriously??
Southern Chinese such as Cantonese have south east Asian lineage that's scientifically proven other than that your post is false and troll.
All I see from your comment is
either
you have a pea size brain
or
lack of eduction.

This post has been edited by ElapsePride: Apr 6 2011, 06:01 PM

[AndyH]

LOL! Japan, SK AND NK can unite they still would have a hard time competing with China. Did you know by 2020, the middle class population of China is projected to be 700 million? thats more then the total population of Japan and Korea COMBINED. There will be more educated contributing members of society in China then the total population of North East Asia! The combined population of Korea and Japan is ~180 million. Given the population growth of both countries I'd say the situtation may be EVEN worse by 2020.

This post has been edited by AndyH: Apr 8 2011, 08:07 PM

[KraterosHellas]

LOL! Japan, SK AND NK can unite they still would have a hard time competing with China. Did you know by 2020, the middle class population of China is projected to be 700 million? thats more then the total population of Japan and Korea COMBINED. There will be more educated contributing members of society in China then the total population of North East Asia! The combined population of Korea and Japan is ~180 million. Given the population growth of both countries I'd say the situtation may be EVEN worse by 2020.

holy shiit...700 is bigger than the entire EU population! korea and japan won't be able to compete with china even if they combined with the EU or the US. maybe if they combined with EU AND US, this rabble MIGHT have a chance...lol

[AsiaticGlory]

Why not? The Asiatic race needs to decrease the number of divisions amongst themselves. It could be the ASEAN of the northerners.

[Suijen]

^ There would need to be a strong reason for Japan and South Korea to unite. Mongolia is really too small, population and economy wise, to really be in the same league as Japan and South Korea. Thus, the only thing feasible would be something between Japan and South Korea, which is kind of confusing because most groups tend to have more than two members, and there needs to be a stated objective and Raison d'être that for existing (as well as for choosing members).

The ASEAN group was created to strengthen SE Asia against alignment in the Cold War.
The SCO was developed to link energy networks in China and central Asia.
The EU was created to develop greater economic integration and competition between the EU and the rest of the world.

A common currency would be a satisfactory reason, but it'd be odd if it didn't include China since China is such as important market for S. Korean, Japanese, and Mongolian goods, though I can kind of imagine something forming around the ASEAN + 3 group.

[chiuchimu]

Not a unified kingdom - everyone wants self governance. A union that relaxes trade and travel as will as make military alliances between China, SK and Japan would be welcome.

[Flowerseed]

Not a unified kingdom - everyone wants self governance. A union that relaxes trade and travel as will as make military alliances between China, SK and Japan would be welcome.

There is already effectively an military alliances between SK, Japan and the US, isnt it good enough?

[ricefarmer912]

Yeah, personally I don't think a unified kingdom of Japan, Korea, or Mongolia would ever work out. It just makes no sense. It takes a lot more than geography and prehistoric ancestry to unite countries together.

I have no idea why people would ever suggest the unification of the Koreas.... that makes no sense whatsoever. They might share the same ethnicity, but the two are vastly different in mindsets and culture.

[SkyBurial]

There is already effectively an military alliances between SK, Japan and the US, isnt it good enough?

No, it isn't good enough.

[qwerty2010]

There is already effectively an military alliances between SK, Japan and the US, isnt it good enough?

No, it isn't good enough for the Asia-Pacific NATO. If you want to encircle China and Russia, you need military bases in Mongolia, in the heart of the Eurasian Continent. SK & Japan are good for a Coastal Siege only - China and Russia could very well thrive with the SCO. This is why they are trying hard to convince the Mongolians, Koreans and Japanese Nationalists to use the mythical "Altaic Race" "genetic family" to seal this Alliance against the "Sino" people.

However, Japanese Nationalists will not accept anything less than dominance over the Koreans, so there are inherent conflicts in this "Alliance".

This post has been edited by qwerty2010: May 11 2011, 10:21 PM

[KochiGachi]

No, it isn't good enough for the Asia-Pacific NATO. If you want to encircle China and Russia, you need military bases in Mongolia, in the heart of the Eurasian Continent. SK & Japan are good for a Coastal Siege only - China and Russia could very well thrive with the SCO. This is why they are trying hard to convince the Mongolians, Koreans and Japanese Nationalists to use the mythical "Altaic Race" "genetic family" to seal this Alliance against the "Sino" people.

However, Japanese Nationalists will not accept anything less than dominance over the Koreans, so there are inherent conflicts in this "Alliance".

Sound bitter.
S.Korea-Japan-US-Australia alliance doesn't need Mongolia, in fact the only thing that keeping China from invading Mongolia is Russia not Asia pacific-NATO.

[qwerty2010]

Sound bitter.
S.Korea-Japan-US-Australia alliance doesn't need Mongolia, in fact the only thing that keeping China from invading Mongolia is Russia not Asia pacific-NATO.

Huh? Bitter? Nope, just thinking like a chess player. You can't attach feelings to this, this is what your opponents do, this is how you must make counter-moves.

You should "feel" less and "think" more.

Based on THINKING, why oh why would China want to invade Mongolia? China is very clear about its own survival and longevity strategy, securing its boundaries and access to resources. It built the Great Wall to keep out Mongolians, it negotiated borders with Russia and Mongolia, it innovated to optimize its resources.

The US, however, WANTS to keep its hegemony in Asia, which is why it built MILITARY BASES all over Asia. It sees China and Russia as its key challengers, and it has a policy of NOT tolerating challengers. It openly declares it's back in Asia/Eurasia, bin Laden is conveniently "out of the way", it can now refocus its attention to the Eurasian Continent.

Look at what they DO, which is CONSISTENT, not what they SAY.

[KochiGachi]

Huh? Bitter? Nope, just thinking like a chess player. You can't attach feelings to this, this is what your opponents do, this is how you must make counter-moves.

You should "feel" less and "think" more.

Based on THINKING, why oh why would China want to invade Mongolia? China is very clear about its own survival and longevity strategy, securing its boundaries and access to resources. It built the Great Wall to keep out Mongolians, it negotiated borders with Russia and Mongolia, it innovated to optimize its resources.

The US, however, WANTS to keep its hegemony in Asia, which is why it built MILITARY BASES all over Asia. It sees China and Russia as its key challengers, and it has a policy of NOT tolerating challengers. It openly declares it's back in Asia/Eurasia, bin Laden is conveniently "out of the way", it can now refocus its attention to the Eurasian Continent.

Look at what they DO, which is CONSISTENT, not what they SAY.

Ask Mongolians, it's Mongolian friend told me China is trying to invade Mongolia.
Think more, then Russia isn't so China friendly.

Russia would probably make deal with U.S to put China under very difficult situation, didn't you know Russia is also White nation?
If U.S wanted hegemony in Asia then they would have invaded China, U.S interest is to open up China, and they did brilliant job so far.

[Chan-Ho]

Huh? Bitter? Nope, just thinking like a chess player. You can't attach feelings to this, this is what your opponents do, this is how you must make counter-moves.

You should "feel" less and "think" more.

Based on THINKING, why oh why would China want to invade Mongolia? China is very clear about its own survival and longevity strategy, securing its boundaries and access to resources. It built the Great Wall to keep out Mongolians, it negotiated borders with Russia and Mongolia, it innovated to optimize its resources.

The US, however, WANTS to keep its hegemony in Asia, which is why it built MILITARY BASES all over Asia. It sees China and Russia as its key challengers, and it has a policy of NOT tolerating challengers. It openly declares it's back in Asia/Eurasia, bin Laden is conveniently "out of the way", it can now refocus its attention to the Eurasian Continent.

Look at what they DO, which is CONSISTENT, not what they SAY.

LOL. You should just flat out educate yourself AND learn to "think" objectively.

"With the fall of the Qing Dynasty, Mongolia under the Bogd Khaan declared independence in 1911. However, the newly established Republic of China considered Mongolia as part of its own territory. The area controlled by the Bogd Khaan was approximately that of the former Outer Mongolia during Qing period. In 1919, after the October Revolution in Russia, Chinese troops led by Xu Shuzheng occupied Mongolia.
However, as a result of the Russian Civil War, the White Russian adventurer Baron Ungern led his troops into Mongolia in October 1920, defeating the Chinese forces in Niislel Khüree (Ulaanbaatar) in early February 1921. In order to eliminate the threat posed by Ungern, Bolshevik Russia decided to support the establishment of a communist Mongolian government and army. This Mongolian army took the Mongolian part of Kyakhta from Chinese forces on March 18, 1921, and on July 6 Russian and Mongolian troops arrived in Khüree. Mongolia's independence was declared once again on July 11, 1921.[20] These events led to Mongolia's close alignment with the Soviet Union over the next seven decades."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolia

Just like Tibet and East-Turkestan, Mongolia was part of China during the Qing and shortly after the fall of the Qing. The only reason Mongolia got its independence from China in the first place is because of Russia. I have no doubt China would historically justify Mongolia's annexation in a heartbeat if Russia would support it. At the end of the day, your tendency to take anything related to China and paint it in an idealistic light is so obvious and completely ruins your credibility. You really need to take some critical thinking classes and educate yourself on the geopolitical reality if you want anyone with an ounce of objectivity to take anything you say seriously.

This post has been edited by Chan-Ho: May 12 2011, 12:13 PM

[PCAT]

This is why they are trying hard to convince the Mongolians, Koreans and Japanese Nationalists to use the mythical "Altaic Race" "genetic family" to seal this Alliance against the "Sino" people.

For someone who is supposedly FACT oriented, you sure love blaming Westerners without a shred of evidence. I'd like to see some proof Americans are using Pan-Altaic nationalism to contain China. I want to see definitive evidence, not conjecture or speculation.

This post has been edited by PCAT: May 12 2011, 01:03 PM

[Chan-Ho]

For someone who is supposedly FACT oriented, you sure love blaming Westerners without a shred of evidence. I'd like to see some proof Americans are using Pan-Altaic nationalism to contain China. I want to see definitive evidence, not conjecture or speculation.

Good point. Qwerty is full of BS. She will say anything to "defend" China, no matter how contrary to the geopolitical reality it is.