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Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria
EazyMoney
post Jun 10 2009, 01:11 PM
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Seems like Manchuria has nothing do with them at all.
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Anyway, just a shoutout.


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post Jun 11 2009, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 04:24 PM) *
You also stated that the Chinese belief that Koreans have designs on Manchuria is a ridiculous lie on par with "Mao Zedong is Korean." Don't cherry pick your own post.


Learn to read

There are however a lot of delusional Chinese nationalists who believe theres a secret plot to invade China and take Manchuria. Pure fantasy and paranoia. No different from those fabricated lies by Chinese netizens who believe Koreans are trying to steal Confucius, Chinese characters, Soymilk, Mao Zedong, Michael Phelps, the moon and slice bread.

Obviously im distinguishing between groups.

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You, educate me? Don't make me laugh. I understand full well what the current political climate in Korea is, but I also understand that political climates change. With such prominent figures of Korean history backing your claim on Manchuria, it would be utterly foolish of me to think that Koreans would never make an attempt on Manchuria simply because they don't have the ability to do so now. Your politics are, like all politics, the politics of the possible - of course you leaders today wouldn't support reclaiming Manchuria - BECAUSE THEY CAN'T. Because they haven't even reclaimed North Korea, yet, so what's the point of making even more enemies? But that doesn't mean the desire isn't there, deep down, embedded within the fabrics of Korean nationalism.


LOL you still dont get it do you? Face it, you cant win this argument. You've lost a long time ago. Its pointless of you to argue otherwise.

I stated that most not all Koreans did not believe in invading Manchuria. You can cry, whine, lie and cut yourself for all eternity and you will still not change this fact. Claiming that a certain Korean politician or unknown historian supported such a cause still does not change the fact you're blatantly wrong. Because in the end the opinion of that historian is still the opinion of one and only one man. Unless of course that historian is a Siamese twin embarassedlaugh.gif

Most Koreans do not want Manchuria. Quit arguing otherwise and just admit that you lost. Your idiotic Mao argument and "every" "all" argument has already been effortlessly shot down with kindergarten logic. Quit humiliating yourself further.

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No, I then correct you on your misinterpretation of what I said, which you then try to backpedal.


You didn't correct my arguments. You ignored it entirely. Which is why you refuse to bring it up again. And mind elucidating on how exactly you "corrected" me? Im sorry but isnt the entire reason why we are arguing because I corrected you and your ego just couldnt accept it?

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Lawl. You really think you're something, don't you? Too bad your bluff doesn't work with me. I know what you said. I know what I said. And it is not what you said you said, or what you said I said.


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We get it. You've lost and now youre mad. No need to prolong your agony. Just admit that you're wrong. Heck you dont even need to admit it. You can simply vanish from this topic.

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post Jun 11 2009, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 04:32 PM) *
Learn to read

There are however a lot of delusional Chinese nationalists who believe theres a secret plot to invade China and take Manchuria. Pure fantasy and paranoia. No different from those fabricated lies by Chinese netizens who believe Koreans are trying to steal Confucius, Chinese characters, Soymilk, Mao Zedong, Michael Phelps, the moon and slice bread.

Obviously im distinguishing between groups.


Irrelevant. Your point is that such beliefs are fantasy and paranoia. I am correcting you.

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LOL you still dont get it do you. Face it, you cant win this argument. Its already lost.

I stated that most not all Koreans did not believe in invading Manchuria. You can cry, whine, lie and cut yourself for all eternity and you will still not change this fact. Claiming that a certain Korean politician or unknown historian supported such a cause still does not change the fact that im wrong and you're wrong. Because in the end the opinion of that historian is still the opinion of one and only one man. Unless of course that historian is a Siamese twin embarassedlaugh.gif

Most Koreans do not want Manchuria. Quit arguing otherwise and just admit that you lost.


Laugh out loud. You don't even know what the debate was and you're claiming that I lost it. How utterly clueless. Repeat after me: the debate was NEVER over whether most Koreans believed in invading Manchuria or not. The debate was ALWAYS over whether it is legitimate to worry about Korean designs on Manchuria. Most Germans did not want to fight World War II, but Germany DID fight World War II. The majority opinion is no guarantee against the policy of the nation-state. This is the point that you've refused to even acknowledge, much less mount a response to.

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You didn't correct my arguments. You ignored it entirely. Which is why you refuse to bring it up again. And mind elucidating on how exactly you "corrected" me? Im sorry but isnt the entire reason why we are arguing because I corrected you and your ego just couldnt accept it?


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We get it. You've lost and your mad. No need to prolong your agony. Just admit that you're wrong. Heck you dont even need to admit it. You can simply vanish from this topic.


Have you considered the possibility that I ignored your "arguments" because they were never RELEVANT? I understand now why you feel you've won - you don't even get what the debate was over, so of course everything I said seemed like irrelevant filler - because you never got the point in the first place.

Thanks for the clarification, and no, I'm not mad at all. Amused is more like it - by the utter waste of time that was your attempt to debate me.
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- EazyMoney   Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria   Jun 10 2009, 01:11 PM
- - depthcharge   well, japan puppeted it for a time. they had a lot...   Jun 10 2009, 04:50 PM
- - meitoufu   QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 10 2009, 02:11 PM)...   Jun 10 2009, 07:37 PM
- - crabdonut   Japan was sought by Japan during WWII, because Man...   Jun 10 2009, 09:29 PM
- - Eidolon   The Japanese want it for Lebensraum. In their eyes...   Jun 10 2009, 10:07 PM
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|- - zaza9000   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 10 2009, 11:07 PM) T...   Jun 11 2009, 01:06 AM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (zaza9000 @ Jun 11 2009, 02:06 AM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 12:56 PM
- - depthcharge   Manchuria is definitely strategic for us. It means...   Jun 10 2009, 10:55 PM
- - Suijen   ^ Solid post.   Jun 10 2009, 10:56 PM
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- - EvilAsianDude   Koreans dont want Manchuria nor is such a belief e...   Jun 11 2009, 01:03 PM
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|- - Eidolon   Here, I'll do you a favor and dissect your own...   Jun 11 2009, 02:17 PM
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