Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria |
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Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria |
Jun 10 2009, 01:11 PM
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AF Addict Group: Members Posts: 726 Joined: 25-April 08 |
Seems like Manchuria has nothing do with them at all.
It beats me Anyway, just a shoutout. peace |
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Jun 10 2009, 10:07 PM
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AF Geek Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 29-May 09 |
The Japanese want it for Lebensraum. In their eyes Japan is too small and prone to disaster - not exactly a land from which premier nations are built.
The Koreans have a sentimental attachment to it. Their nationalist historians like to trace Korean roots to a series of tribal confederations/kingdoms in Manchuria (Gojoseon, Goguryeo, etc.) So, they like to think that the land they lost over a thousand years ago might still be reclaimed. It gives Korean nationalism a goal to strive towards. As for ourselves (Chinese), Manchuria is a strategic and economic acquisition. It is a gateway to the North China plains, and has historically been the land of our enemies and invaders. Our possession of it today symbolizes our triumph over them, and keeps China safe. Manchuria in another nation's hands threatens us greatly - as four out of the five foreign dynasties that managed to conquer parts of China (or all of it) rode out of this land, and it was a general headache for past emperors. To prevent a repeat of history, Manchuria must not be allowed to fall into other nations' hands. To this end, we should develop the region's economy and encourage even more patriotic Chinese to migrate into the area. This post has been edited by Eidolon: Jun 10 2009, 10:15 PM |
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Jun 11 2009, 12:27 AM
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AF Addict Group: Members Posts: 968 Joined: 19-June 08 |
The Japanese want it for Lebensraum. In their eyes Japan is too small and prone to disaster - not exactly a land from which premier nations are built. The Koreans have a sentimental attachment to it. Their nationalist historians like to trace Korean roots to a series of tribal confederations/kingdoms in Manchuria (Gojoseon, Goguryeo, etc.) So, they like to think that the land they lost over a thousand years ago might still be reclaimed. It gives Korean nationalism a goal to strive towards. As for ourselves (Chinese), Manchuria is a strategic and economic acquisition. It is a gateway to the North China plains, and has historically been the land of our enemies and invaders. Our possession of it today symbolizes our triumph over them, and keeps China safe. Manchuria in another nation's hands threatens us greatly - as four out of the five foreign dynasties that managed to conquer parts of China (or all of it) rode out of this land, and it was a general headache for past emperors. To prevent a repeat of history, Manchuria must not be allowed to fall into other nations' hands. To this end, we should develop the region's economy and encourage even more patriotic Chinese to migrate into the area. Excellent post. |
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EazyMoney Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria Jun 10 2009, 01:11 PM
depthcharge well, japan puppeted it for a time. they had a lot... Jun 10 2009, 04:50 PM
meitoufu QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 10 2009, 02:11 PM)... Jun 10 2009, 07:37 PM
crabdonut Japan was sought by Japan during WWII, because Man... Jun 10 2009, 09:29 PM
zaza9000 QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 10 2009, 11:07 PM) T... Jun 11 2009, 01:06 AM
Eidolon QUOTE (zaza9000 @ Jun 11 2009, 02:06 AM) ... Jun 11 2009, 12:56 PM
depthcharge Manchuria is definitely strategic for us. It means... Jun 10 2009, 10:55 PM
Suijen ^ Solid post. Jun 10 2009, 10:56 PM
Manders There is no "occupation" of China's ... Jun 11 2009, 12:03 PM
EazyMoney Then We forgot to ask what those Manchurians want... Jun 11 2009, 12:33 PM
EvilAsianDude Koreans dont want Manchuria nor is such a belief e... Jun 11 2009, 01:03 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 02:03... Jun 11 2009, 01:06 PM
Eidolon Here, I'll do you a favor and dissect your own... Jun 11 2009, 02:17 PM
gaogouli Manchu decided to take over China.
Thats the link... Jun 11 2009, 01:04 PM
EazyMoney QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 01:04 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 01:08 PM
gaogouli QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 11 2009, 01:08 PM)... Jun 11 2009, 01:10 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 02:10 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 01:41 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 02:06 PM) K... Jun 11 2009, 01:14 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 02:14... Jun 11 2009, 01:28 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 02:28 PM) I... Jun 11 2009, 01:46 PM
EazyMoney I think santaclaws, chan-ho, and some of other ult... Jun 11 2009, 01:53 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 02:46... Jun 11 2009, 01:55 PM
gaogouli Manchuria did belong to Korea in history.
So it i... Jun 11 2009, 02:00 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:00 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 02:04 PM

gaogouli QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:04 PM) I... Jun 11 2009, 02:12 PM

Eidolon QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:12 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 02:21 PM
EazyMoney QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 02:00 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 02:09 PM

gaogouli QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 11 2009, 03:09 PM)... Jun 11 2009, 02:14 PM

EazyMoney Good, we can feel relaxed now,
in the future if ... Jun 11 2009, 02:18 PM
zern QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:00 PM) ... Jun 12 2009, 02:46 AM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 02:55 PM) Y... Jun 11 2009, 02:03 PM
EazyMoney If one of the politicians or president in Korea on... Jun 11 2009, 02:06 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 03:03... Jun 11 2009, 02:08 PM
gaogouli Chinese have to stop their childish "Korea cl... Jun 11 2009, 02:17 PM
gaogouli You seriously believed that Korea would have invad... Jun 11 2009, 02:23 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:23 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 02:31 PM
gaogouli QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:31 PM) O... Jun 11 2009, 02:38 PM
EazyMoney Btw, I remembered awhile back some South Korean fe... Jun 11 2009, 02:44 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:08 PM) T... Jun 11 2009, 02:25 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 03:25... Jun 11 2009, 02:32 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:17 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 02:34 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 03:34... Jun 11 2009, 02:46 PM
gaogouli QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:46 PM) S... Jun 11 2009, 02:51 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:32 PM) W... Jun 11 2009, 02:36 PM
Mid-Night_Sun QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 03:03... Jun 11 2009, 02:37 PM
Titanium Some of you are just way too sensitive. The only p... Jun 11 2009, 02:37 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Titanium @ Jun 11 2009, 03:37 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 02:53 PM
lite QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 12 2009, 06:53... Jun 12 2009, 03:30 AM
Eidolon Let me try to sum this up for you, EvilAsianDude:
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MotorRifle Who cares? Jun 11 2009, 03:01 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:46 PM) S... Jun 11 2009, 03:04 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:56 PM) L... Jun 11 2009, 03:12 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 04:12... Jun 11 2009, 03:24 PM
antimatter QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:24 PM) Y... Jun 11 2009, 03:36 PM
iluvlamp My mom's family is manchurian and her grandpar... Jun 11 2009, 03:20 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 04:24 PM) Y... Jun 11 2009, 03:32 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 04:32... Jun 11 2009, 03:46 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 04:46 PM) I... Jun 11 2009, 03:56 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 04:56... Jun 11 2009, 04:06 PM
hanren Or it could be paranoia on the Korean nationalist ... Jun 11 2009, 04:10 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (hanren @ Jun 11 2009, 05:10 PM) Or... Jun 11 2009, 04:17 PM

hanren QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 05:17 PM) T... Jun 11 2009, 04:26 PM
MotorRifle QUOTE (hanren @ Jun 11 2009, 04:10 PM) Or... Jun 11 2009, 05:11 PM
Titanium Eidolon, while I can see where you're coming f... Jun 11 2009, 04:26 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (Titanium @ Jun 11 2009, 05:26 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 04:53 PM
MotorRifle QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 04:53 PM) P... Jun 11 2009, 05:13 PM
baal There are two really smart guys on this thread. T... Jun 11 2009, 04:38 PM
type52 korea will get its asses kicked Jun 11 2009, 05:05 PM
Manders Returned to Korea? Lol, now that's funny. Jun 11 2009, 05:56 PM
Chan-Ho The basis of what both Eidolon and EAD are arguing... Jun 11 2009, 07:04 PM
hanren QUOTE (Chan-Ho @ Jun 11 2009, 08:04 ... Jun 11 2009, 08:24 PM
Eidolon QUOTE Considering the cost/benefit of the situatio... Jun 11 2009, 09:34 PM
Chan-Ho QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 07:34 PM) I... Jun 12 2009, 01:36 AM
haozhao QUOTE (Chan-Ho @ Jun 12 2009, 01:36 ... Jun 12 2009, 02:12 AM
Titanium It's not unreasonable for China to take precau... Jun 11 2009, 10:45 PM
gaogouli Obviously there are some slightly educated chinese... Jun 12 2009, 01:26 AM
Eidolon QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 12 2009, 02:26 AM) ... Jun 12 2009, 02:07 AM
haozhao QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 12 2009, 02:07 AM) Y... Jun 12 2009, 02:14 AM
gaogouli QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 12 2009, 02:07 AM) Y... Jun 12 2009, 02:14 AM
NancyPelosi QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 12 2009, 03:14 AM) ... Jun 12 2009, 02:48 AM
Eidolon QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 12 2009, 03:14 AM) ... Jun 12 2009, 02:58 AM
gaogouliWIN7 QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 12 2009, 03:58 AM) S... Jun 12 2009, 03:09 AM
haozhao Manchuria's population is 200 million, of that... Jun 12 2009, 01:32 AM
zern over the last hundreds years,manchu have been too... Jun 12 2009, 02:48 AM
gaogouliWIN7 Look, Manchu conquered Han Chinese it would be mor... Jun 12 2009, 03:04 AM
NancyPelosi QUOTE (gaogouliWIN7 @ Jun 12 2009, 04:04 ... Jun 12 2009, 03:20 AM
gaogouli3 QUOTE (NancyPelosi @ Jun 12 2009, 04:20 A... Jun 12 2009, 03:27 AM
NancyPelosi QUOTE (gaogouli3 @ Jun 12 2009, 04:27 AM)... Jun 12 2009, 03:54 AM
gaogouli3 QUOTE (NancyPelosi @ Jun 12 2009, 03:54 A... Jun 12 2009, 03:59 AM
NancyPelosi QUOTE (gaogouli3 @ Jun 12 2009, 04:59 AM)... Jun 12 2009, 04:11 AM
gaogouli3 QUOTE (NancyPelosi @ Jun 12 2009, 04:11 A... Jun 12 2009, 06:00 AM
Flowerseed QUOTE (gaogouli3 @ Jun 12 2009, 07:00 AM)... Jun 12 2009, 06:05 AM
gaogouli3 QUOTE (Flowerseed @ Jun 12 2009, 06:05 AM... Jun 12 2009, 06:06 AM
Flowerseed QUOTE (gaogouli3 @ Jun 12 2009, 07:06 AM)... Jun 12 2009, 06:08 AM
Mid-Night_Sun what i dont get is why you would split a mountain.... Jun 12 2009, 03:32 AM
MotorRifle Doesnt matter, since Chinese in current occupier o... Jun 12 2009, 04:22 AM
gaogouli3 QUOTE (MotorRifle @ Jun 12 2009, 04:22 AM... Jun 12 2009, 05:59 AM![]() ![]() |
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