Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria Options

[EazyMoney]

Seems like Manchuria has nothing do with them at all.
It beats me


Anyway, just a shoutout.


peace

[EvilAsianDude]

You claimed more than the idea that it wasn't supported by the mainstream (which I accept). You claimed that it was lies concocted by the Chinese to frame Koreans. You claimed that it wasn't "encouraged" by the government, yet the very fact that people like Shin Chae-Ho are considered "among the greatest of Korea's historians" indicate that there is implicit political support for their views. Shin Chae-Ho flat-out called for the reclamation of Manchuria, and your establishment calls him the greatest Korean historian. What am I supposed to think?



You did more than that. Stop backpedaling.

Because politicians run the country, and the masses can be easily led. I honestly don't care what the Korean masses think; it is what your politicians think that matter. As Hermann Goering pointed out:

"Why, of course, the people don't want war, why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

Oh, but you say: "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

Now, I've never said that most Korean politicians want Manchuria, but just the presence of a few represents a threat, because if such people can obtain political power, then that means they could, potentially, run the country.

Yap yap yap completely irrelevant to the discussion we are having. Whats so difficult to understand?

I stated that most(keyword: MOST not ALL) Koreans do not believe in taking over Manchuria.

To which you brought up a negligable amount of Koreans who do believe Manchuria should be returned to Korea. Now tell me? Do you know how to read? Are you intentionally being this dumb? Did I not state that most Koreans(not all, MOST...very big difference between the two) do not want Manchuria? Why did you try to correct me in the first place if there was nothing to be corrected?

Quit making excuses and just admit that you're wrong. Speaking of which, it is a lie fabricated and greatly exaggerated by Chinese nationalists. Most Koreans do not believe in it. Only a small fringe group do. Yet Chinese nationalists somehow believe that there is a secret invasion plot or whatever. I think we can conclude that you have no idea what youre talking about. Argue all you want, it still does not change the fact that you're in denial.

This post has been edited by EvilAsianDude: Jun 11 2009, 02:05 PM

[EazyMoney]

If one of the politicians or president in Korea one day advocated to take back Manchuria, would you guys kick him out of office?
if you do, thanks.